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Posted By: Darat
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An extensive cleanout has been done on this thread and it is now being re-opened. We don't want to have to go through this again, so keep your comments strictly within the guidelines of the Membership Agreement, or there will be more attention-getting measures taken.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: Tricky
Timf1234: DO YOU MIND IF I call you "Big Timf1234"?
I have a question. Can you better define the term "Islamic filth"? I feel like I really would like to engage you in an intellectual debate on this topic.
#1: How can I identify "Islamic filth"? Do they wear special costumes?
#2: What do you think BHO, and by extension, all Americanas do to better prepare for this invasion?
Moral: you can demand your rights but you can only request handout.
Equal justice in the court of law is your rights.
Free healthcare, unemployment, food stamp, cash for clunker, social security are not rights.
These are design to blur the differences between a horse and a donkey.
When I (relatively rich person) go to a restaurant for a dinner. I order and get food and services. Should restaurant charge me 10 times more than the poor guy sitting next to me eating the same dishes and getting the same services?
Doesn't that happen anyway in the US when it comes to tipping? As I understand it the point of tips is less a reward for good service but is instead you paying their wages instead of the employer. Since the amount you pay is based on how much you spend doesn't that mean you would be paying x many times more then the poor guy next to you for what is, essentially, the same service?
Doesn't that happen anyway in the US when it comes to tipping? As I understand it the point of tips is less a reward for good service but is instead you paying their wages instead of the employer. Since the amount you pay is based on how much you spend doesn't that mean you would be paying x many times more then the poor guy next to you for what is, essentially, the same service?
I really get very frustrated dealing with damaged neural networks.
Tipping is voluntary. Taxes are not.
Plus, tipping is not proportional to my net worth or income.
If I pay more or less tip, police is not going to arrest me. If I do not pay the taxes as government mobsters demands then they will put me to jail.
Next time, please think before you write.
. If you are making ten times what the next guy is making, you are recieving ten times the benefit from using our infrastructure. Pay your freaking utility bills and stop shrieking like a slapped child.
. If you are making ten times what the next guy is making, you are receiving ten times the benefit from using our infrastructure. Pay your freaking utility bills and stop shrieking like a slapped child.
I challenge you.
I am pretty sure I can expose your parasitic ideas that like to benefit from other people work without you contributing equally to the common good for the mankind.
I am advocating true fairness, justice, rewards proportional to ones contribution and charges people proportional to their consumption from the common pool. You can’t charge me for eating from my own plate.
The amount of benefit/profit I make can be due to my ingenuity, my smartness, my intelligence, my knowledge of science, my creativity, my hard works and my value system.
Two people can do very different things with an apple (eat or convert it to energy or do more creative thing with it), a gallon of gas, an ounce of uranium (do nothing, atomic bomb or fission energy) or a gallon of water (drink or fusion). The final benefit depends upon what one does with the resources in the universe.
So, if one eats an apple and other one convert it to energy then the final net benefit/profit is dramatically different for these two people, although they both consumed an apple.
Do you honestly think you should charge one guy zillion times more than the other guy?
Is that fair in your mind?
Do you think you or I can swim like Michael Phelps (8 Olympic gold medal winner)?
Do you think you and I can think about universe/astronomy like Stephen Hawking can (Astrophysicist)?
Do you think you and I can invest like Warren Buffet?
Do you think you and I can play golf like Tiger Wood?
Do you think you and I could code and establish business as Bill Gate did?
Obviously the answer is NO.
How much is the difference in the magnitude in the skill and expertise of yours and mine in one hand and the other experts I have mentioned above?
I say, a million fold.
So, it is bound to happen, that some people justifiably achieve, produce, and get rich million times more than others by using the same resources around us.
Your philosophy is basically blurring the distinction between good and bad, right and wrong, truth and false, novice and expert, skill worker and non-skill worker, smart and dumb.
No wonder, Liberalism is a mental disorder in this regard.
If you want to charge every one proportional to the miles they drive on the road then it is OK. It is fair. Toll roads are OK. Extending the concept of toll road to every road is just too. But you can’t charge me more because I drove to work and made money and charge less to the guy who drove to liberal’s pot house to smoke marijuana and did not make any money.
Removed breaches. Stop the name calling.
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Western "civilization" is dying without the help of Leftysergeant, other liberal pot heads or anyone else of that ilk. Perpetual growth on a finite planet was never a good idea!
timf1234, you may want to take another gander at the membership agreement mentioned in the moderator box above. It's found here. I wouldn't want your stay here shortened for lack of information.
Except that you DON`T get the same service. Rich people get a lot more.
Everyone should pay according to how much it benefits them. If your house is worth ten times as much as mine, of course you should pay ten times as much for fire protection. If you drive ten times as much as I do, of course you should pay ten times as much for road maintenance. And so on.
It is fair to charge people proportional to the number of miles they drive on the road. But it is not fair if to charge me 10 times more if my house cost 10 times more.
It would be fair to tax me 10 times for my house only if all of the following conditions are met.
1. If my house is 10 times bigger or would take 10 times as many fire trucks and resources to extinguish the fire.
AND
2. I have 10 times more number of children who will enjoy subsidized college education.
AND
3. I will utilize 10 times more services that are offered by using the property taxes.
It is fair to charge people proportional to the number of miles they drive on the road. But it is not fair if to charge me 10 times more if my house cost 10 times more.
It would be fair to tax me 10 times for my house only if all of the following conditions are met.
1. If my house is 10 times bigger or would take 10 times as many fire trucks and resources to extinguish the fire.
AND
2. I have 10 times more number of children who will enjoy subsidized college education.
AND
3. I will utilize 10 times more services that are offered by using the property taxes.
It is fair to tax you 10 times as much for fire protection, because you profit 10 times as much if the fire department saves your house from burning down, if it is worth 10 times as much.
timf1234, you may want to take another gander at the membership agreement mentioned in the moderator box above. It's found here. I wouldn't want your stay here shortened for lack of information.
Do you have any counter argument to the points I made in my above post?
Or you are so cornered that you want to ban drawing Mohammad Caricature, or any criticism of Islam or liberals' sick ideology?
Why can't I call a spade a spade?
I am proving that when a brain function normally about one subject but then goes go haywire on other topic then the brain is partially damaged. I charge liberals of having mental disorder in these topics and I am proving my points by showing the flaws on liberals arguments.
If you have any logical argument then please present them.
I will counter argue.
Can you do that, please?
It is fair to tax you 10 times as much for fire protection, because you profit 10 times as much if the fire department saves your house from burning down, if it is worth 10 times as much.
And please respond to the following argument as well,
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"If we charge everyone proportional to the benefit they enjoy for everything then there won't be any rich or poor. In such a world everyone will have exactly equal amount of wealth. Plus, benefit can get very tricky. Do you consider, emotional, psychological, non-material benefit also as benefit? If you consider non-material return also as benefit then the wealth become very subjective, hard to quantify, unscientific, and impossible to legislate.
Do you think all human being on this planet deserve equal wealth?
Please think before you respond.
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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: LashL
Sorry, my mistake, my spelling error. I am incompetent in English language. English is not my first language but that should not be my excuse.
I shouldn't be hired to teach English. I have to live with who I am, imperfect self. But I should never demand the same wages for teaching English as you or others whose English is far, far, far better than mine.
Do you think liberals could say that?
Do you think liberals entitlement ideology could apply above theme consistently across the board in all area?
That is why, in these subject, liberalism is a mental disorder.
I do not say that with anger, or hate but with just, honest, deliberate logical conclusion.
I must uphold "Justice", reward and charge proportional to the contribution and consumption respectively.
Western "civilization" is dying without the help of Leftysergeant, other liberal pot heads or anyone else of that ilk. Perpetual growth on a finite planet was never a good idea!
Sorry, my mistake, my spelling error. I am incompetent in English language. English is not my first language but that should not be my excuse.
I shouldn't be hired to teach English. I have to live with who I am, imperfect self. But I should never demand the same wages for teaching English as you or others whose English is far, far, far better than mine.
I must uphold "Justice", reward and charge proportional to the contribution and consumption respectively.
When you read my post there was no agreement to pay you if you don't like it or find error in it.
JREF doesn't guarantee that every post here will be perfect. It is understood that you might end up reading junk or good stuff.
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Your true compensation should be reading more of my post and think about the logic of it instead of tying down on spelling, grammes or words. Lear to process thought. You will be a better person after reading more of my post, provided you honestly think on the logic and reason behind it.
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Sorry, my mistake, my spelling error. I am incompetent in English language. English is not my first language but that should not be my excuse.
I shouldn't be hired to teach English. I have to live with who I am, imperfect self. But I should never demand the same wages for teaching English as you or others whose English is far, far, far better than mine.
Do you think liberals could say that?
Do you think liberals entitlement ideology could apply above theme consistently across the board in all area?
That is why, in these subject, liberalism is a mental disorder.
I do not say that with anger, or hate but with just, honest, deliberate logical conclusion.
I must uphold "Justice", reward and charge proportional to the contribution and consumption respectively.
No. I do think each person deserves the benefit what s/he earns.
I also think if we were to adopt the classical liberalism you so despise, we would better resolve the conflicts that arise between the wealthy and the poor by narrowing the gap, not by allowing the powerful to run amok, nor by crippling those who have earned their success, but by defending the weak and facilitating their growth with educational and occupational opportunities to improve their value and benefit from it.
It's just like Cy Sims said: "An educated consumer is our best customer."
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