Wake up West. Wake up Obama. Islamic filth is coming to your town.

[DC]

You have Nike Air's what?

Lightning speed

(yes i got my error, Nike Airs, Thanks )

 

[timf1234]

People are not rational, and moral/economic systems predicated on rational behavior that are formulated without being aware of and taking into account the various cognitive biases we all share are doomed to failure.

In the case of Ayn Rand specifically, her idea of what was "logical" and "morally correct" was "what I think and the post-hoc rationalizations I came up with to support it".

Love, better, and higher quality of life I can get behind. Faster and bigger, meh. Not to mention, who gets to define what "higher quality of life" is in the first place?

Maybe -- who decides what is a good contribution to the welfare of mankind?


Carnegie, no question about it. He was an exceptional philanthropist -- pretty much the exact opposite of the "social Darwinist" that you and Rand seem to glorify.

Not enough info to answer.

It depends on what that Inventor Invented, doesn't it? Leftyseargent probably has not done as much good as Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch, but probably more than whoever "invented" the cat macro.

<rest of social Darwinist rant snipped>

Nescafe wrote:

"Carnegie, no question about it. He was an exceptional philanthropist .."

You should have been smarter than that.

No one is against Philanthropy. Philanthropy is voluntary. We are against government forcefully taking out money and redistributing the result of our hard and smart work without our willingness.

you wrote:

"...who gets to define what "higher quality of life" is in the first place?"

Again, You should have been smarter than that.
you do, I do, each individual do. Pursue the things that interest you.

But, noooo.... liberals don't want each individual to pursue their dream but take the result, "higher quality of life" from me and give it to the people with poor value system.

If according to someone, if something is not "higher quality of life" then let other have it. But noooo, liberals get jealous of us having all the good quality of life. Why liberals are jealous of our quality of life if it is not valuable to him?


You wrote:

"Maybe -- who decides what is a good contribution to the welfare of mankind?"

That is a good question. Very good question.

Who decides what kind of health problem one has?
A physicians, and sometime a group of physicians.

Who decides what grades do you get in your exam?
Professor and sometime a group of professor.

Who fixes your automobile?
An auto-mechanic.

Who entitled them to be labeled as Physicians, Professors, Auto Mechanics, Electricians?
There are test, exam, certification, license you will have to go through.
It requires qualification.

Therefore, "Qualified, 3rd Party, Double Blind, Successive Approximation, Statistical Methodology" will determine who contributes more for the betterment of mankind.

What we need is Democracy 2.0, that is Qualified Democracy.
Right now any Joe Blow, cockroach, pig all have one vote. As long as your heart beats you got a vote. Whether you have brain or not doesn't matter.

You wrote"

It depends on what that Inventor Invented, doesn't it? Leftyseargent probably has not done as much good as Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch, but probably more than whoever "invented" the cat macro.

Removed breach of Rule 12.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[Darth Rotor]

It sounds like the Muslim version of God is more reasonable than the Christian version in this instance.

Muslim: "Allah, they will kill my family and me if they discover that we are Muslim."

Allah: Then conceal your faith so that you and your family may be protected from their violence.


Christian: "Jesus, they will kill my family and me if they discover that we are Christian."

Jesus: "Gee, that's too bad. I guess you're all going to be tortured to death, because if you deny me, even to protect your children from harm, I'll hold it against you."

Foster, you are usually better at this game. Did you forget this bit?

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

From the Beatitudes as related in the Book of Matthew ...

3Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

God is great. His fan clubs suck.

Lefty, that's one of your better offerings, and a tough position to argue against.

 

[timf1234]

nobody here is encouraging you, but we think you are free to present us your incompetence, bad behavior and your bad value system.

Yes you are.
Do you or do you not favor "Cash for Clunker", "Unemployment Benefit", "Food Stamp", "Social Security", "Obamacare", special privileges for the minorities, lower SAT score requirements for the blacks, highway robbery knows as affirmative action, the list goes on.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Yes you are.
Do you or do you not favor "Cash for Clunker", "Unemployment Benefit", "Food Stamp", "Social Security", "Obamacare", special privileges for the minorities, lower SAT score requirements for the blacks, highway robbery knows as affirmative action, the list goes on.

tim, you have lost the plot.

You began ranting about Muslims.

Thread drift for fifty, Alex.

 

[timf1234]

So you are a fan of Meritocracy?
Do you think you would be allowed to vote? you cannot even post working links on a forum............

i dont think you will get to vote.

you spew the same bigoted and arrogant nosnense our right wing extremists spout around. the neo nazies.

If I am not competent enough to post here then I shouldn't be allowed.
As simple as that.

It is my responsibility to find another website or start my own.
Get it?

Moral: you can demand your rights but you can only request handout.
Equal justice in the court of law is your rights.
Free healthcare, unemployment, food stamp, cash for clunker, social security are not rights.
These are design to blur the differences between a horse and a donkey.

 

[timf1234]

tim, you have lost the plot.

You began ranting about Muslims.

Thread drift for fifty, Alex.

Yes, you are correct.

 

[DC]

Yes you are.
Do you or do you not favor "Cash for Clunker", "Unemployment Benefit", "Food Stamp", "Social Security", "Obamacare", special privileges for the minorities, lower SAT score requirements for the blacks, highway robbery knows as affirmative action, the list goes on.

i am not in favor of privileges for minorities.

But i do agree there need to be things like social security, UHC, mandated Unemployment insurance, food stamps.

i do not want to life in a society where jobless people die on the streets. or have to build slums outside the city in order to be able to survive. or old people die because they have no money for food.
i think it is important for a society to help each other. that's what social animals do, and we are social animals. Alone humans are laughable, they are helpless, only in groups we rock.

 

[DC]

If I am not competent enough to post here then I shouldn't be allowed.
As simple as that.

It is my responsibility to find another website or start my own.
Get it?

Moral: you can demand your rights but you can only request handout.
Equal justice in the court of law is your rights.
Free healthcare, unemployment, food stamp, cash for clunker, social security are not rights.
These are design to blur the differences between a horse and a donkey.

yes those things are my right, i am swiss, we have created different rights. and so all the things (cash for clunker excluded) are indeed my rights.

And every citizen has a right to vote, only the most radical group in our country demands a meritocracy, only so foreigners that became swiss are not allowed to vote. and leftists are not allowed to vote etc etc.
When you want such things, go Seasteading.

 

[timf1234]

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It is anti-human and amoral.

Yes. And we should do it in a moral way. It is not moral to reduce half the population to serfdom as or parasitic investor class is doing now.
Yes. The CEO of General Electric should be stripped of everything he owns and deported to China.

First of all I am not talking about investor class only. I am talking about entrepreneur, small business owner, inventors, industrialist, creative people like Bill Gates, Mark Elliot Zuckerberg, Thomas Edison etc.

Also, always remember that money is the result of life long good value system.
I guess, you liberals do not teach your children above positive principle.
No wonder, you are just a middle class, working class.

If CEO of General Electric did anything illegal then catch him, try him in the court of law, and put him to jail if found guilty. And then think how your average working class will do the job of CEO of General Electric?

Make the rules, enforce it then let’s play the game. Do not change the score after the game, you moron lefty.

Mother Theresa didn’t work people to death to enrich herself.

No one is forcing middle class people to work. If they do not want to work then fine, don’t’ work. We will take our factory to China.

LeftySergeant,
I am going to show you how dumb you are.

“Why do you think that having money entitles you to enjoy the labor of others without paying a rational and moral price for that labor?

It is not only the money. It is also ingenuity, creativity, smart, and hard work to establish a business.
What is the correct price (wage)?
$1.0/hr? $5.0/hr., $10.0/hr., $ 50.00/hr.?
Look into your crystal ball, that might tell you what is the moral and rational price. Right?
Or maybe you lefty will roll a dice and pick a number, $7.25/hr.?
Or just flip a coin.
The correct answer is, the market will decide.
You are not worth $2.00/hr. unless market demands it.
I will take my garment factory to Thailand, if you do not behave.
What are you going to do?

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People in India and China will do the job you do for far less. You brat ask too much wage, too many entitlements. Why should I hire you?
Are you too cute, too pretty? Or maybe you smell good, Right?
Do you have sexy ass that I have to make my factory less efficient by hiring people like you that will make my t-shirt costlier than if I hire more efficient people?
No, sir. I will do a disservice to the humanity if I turn my garment factory less efficient.
One serves the planet best when he/she produce most efficiently.
If you have not learn that in Economics 101 then learn it now just by applying common sense.

“Why do the idiot investor class think they have a right to expect working people to operate at a loss?”

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No, we do not have the right to expect working people to operate at a loss.
How could I say that? I am preaching everyone to operate for profit.
NO. no.. no. you working class do not have to operate in loss. Please don’t.
I will just find someone who will do the same job for profit elsewhere. If I can’t then I will come back to you to pay you the higher wages.
It turns out that you are a very inefficient worker. You can’t turn a profit by working $5.0/hr. But the guy in Bangladesh could make profit by working for $3.00/hr. for me. Why should I hire you, moron?

I hope, now you can see what a moronic argument you brought up.

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“You folks grow like bacteria. Growth is fast, very fast.”

This should be the last nail in your coffin.

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If we were growing like bacteria then that is a very good news. Everyone will be rich.
Problem is we are not growing fast enough. You folks, the dumb, lazy asses are growing fast like bacteria. As you know the gap between the rich and poor is increasing, right?

Think about it.
You still have time to fix your sense of right and wrong, good and bad, truth and lies.
It will pay off richly for you and people around you.

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Removed breach.

When you establish a successful business for profit then you automatically help people around .you . You create job. When you have good value system, then you world view will change. You will see the magic. People will be benefitted from your mere existence.
You will then radiate positive energy to others.
Average middle class American generation of entitlement, affirmative action has become too dependent on government.

“You pervert Darwin. Nature rewards, in the end, behavior that facilitates the survival of the species. Nature demands that we kill and eat any rich bastard who tries to go Galt to tank the economy. He isn't really totally human. Real humans realize that we are all on this island together and need to help each other along. The very fossil record cries out against scumbags like Ayn Rand.”

I agree with you that we should help others when they are in need. But don’t coming here and demand help. Ask for help. I will help. Know that you are being helped. Don’t call it your right.

“Real humans realize that we are all on this island together and need to help each other along.”

I totally agree.

Of course, philanthropy is a good thing. We should teach our children to do it. But you barbaric, tyrant government don’t come here barking like a dog, demanding handouts like it is your right and take my money forcefully (by taxing)

Always, know the difference between compassion and justice. Both are good but ....
You can demand justice but you can only ask, request or beg for compassion/mercy.

Name calling is not civil or polite and does not effectively advance your argument. Cut it out.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[timf1234]

yes those things are my right, i am swiss, we have created different rights. and so all the things (cash for clunker excluded) are indeed my rights.

And every citizen has a right to vote, only the most radical group in our country demands a meritocracy, only so foreigners that became swiss are not allowed to vote. and leftists are not allowed to vote etc etc.
When you want such things, go Seasteading.

Oh, yah, I know, that.
Europe is better than America for mediocre, fat ass, lazy people.
But for highly competitive, driven, smart people with a lot of ambitions US is far better.

No wonder, more entrepreneur minded people come to the US to start their businesses than the number of entrepreneurial minded people move from the US to Switzerland.

But now, US is gradually turning more like Europe. Liberals have put a choke hold on US.
Also see my response to LeftySergeant and you in my above post.

 

[timf1234]

Far Reaches of Islamic Filth
======================


Pakistan criminal investigation
In June 2010, Deputy Attorney General Muhammad [sic] Azhar Sidiqque of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan launched a criminal investigation into Zuckerberg and Facebook co-founders Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes after a "Draw Muhammad" [sic] contest was hosted on Facebook. The investigation also named the anonymous German woman who created the contest. Sidiqque asked the country's police to contact Interpol to have Zuckerberg and the three others arrested for blasphemy. On May 19, 2010, Facebook's website was temporarily blocked in Pakistan until Facebook removed the contest from its website at the end of May. Sidiqque also asked its United Nations representative to raise the issue with the United Nations General Assembly.[43][44]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg

 

[DC]

Oh, yah, I know, that.
Europe is better than America for mediocre, fat ass, lazy people.
But for highly competitive, driven, smart people with a lot of ambitions US is far better.

No wonder, more entrepreneur minded people come to the US to start their businesses than the number of entrepreneurial minded people move from the US to Switzerland.

But now, US is gradually turning more like Europe. Liberals have put a choke hold on US.
Also see my response to LeftySergeant and you in my above post.

http://www.internationalentrepreneurship.com/total_entrepreneur_activity.asp

what is actually the evidence for your claims?

we are both in the midfield.

 

[A'isha]

Also, always remember that money is the result of life long good value system.

This is why I take Paris Hilton as my moral guide and compass.

 

[jmcvann]

Also, always remember that money is the result of life long good value system.

Bernie Madoff?

 

[leftysergeant]

If I am not competent enough to post here then I shouldn't be allowed.
As simple as that.

It is my responsibility to find another website or start my own.
Get it?

If you cannot carry on a civil conversation here, that might be a good idea.(Don't bother sending me the URL.)

Moral: you can demand your rights but you can only request handout.
Equal justice in the court of law is your rights.
Free healthcare, unemployment, food stamp, cash for clunker, social security are not rights.
These are design to blur the differences between a horse and a donkey.

Actually, they are intended to keep people acting like hominids instead of like babboons.

 

[leftysergeant]

But now, US is gradually turning more like Europe.

Europe has become infected with the mental disease that that idiot Thatcher set loose. Luckily, they seem to be resisting. The way that Iceland tanked after they bought that slimeball Friedman's ideas may incentivize them to resist the insane urge to privatize the commons.

Liberals have put a choke hold on US.

Liberals built this country and have occassionally saved capitalism from itself. This was a grave mistake.

And you have wandered too far off-topic. Start a thread or something.

 

[leftysergeant]

Bernie Madoff?

I'll see your Bernie Madoff and raise you a Ken Lay.

 

[Thunder]

Oh, yah, I know, that.
Europe is better than America for mediocre, fat ass, lazy people.

and yet Europeans are in better shape than Americans.

how did that happen?

 

[DC]

and yet Europeans are in better shape than Americans.

how did that happen?

Turkish fast food is not as worse as US fast food?