Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Alan said:
And the police officer is not satisfied with the evidence the man wasn't speeding.
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...and there have only ever been 44 people who've ever driven, in the entire history of the United States.
 
Alan said:
And the police officer is not satisfied with the evidence the man wasn't speeding.
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Yeah, I thought about adding a bit where the black man uses his gps log, but the officer ask for the "long form" of the log that includes the specific satellites the gps was connected to but which could only be obtained form the maker of the gps unit, . . .

But I decided against it since the specific point he was trying to make with that specific analogy didn't involve rejecting evidence even though his larger argument does.
 
KDLarsen said:
Hrm, perhaps Obama was actually born at sea? I smell a new conspiracy coming along ;)

(and as a total coincedence, as it happens my maternal great grandmother was born on a ship somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic).
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Obama's a secret merman?? :eek: America's first black President? Puuhlease. America's first secret Muslim, merman, Keynan, Marxist, Communist, Socialist, illegal immigrant President. ;)
 
W.D.Clinger said:
Three plausible interpretations of boyntonstu's answer:
  • He wants us to think the Birther's selective enforcement is entirely random.
  • He recognizes the injustice of selective enforcement, but is too much of a hypocrite to admit that Birthers are guilty of it.
  • He's accusing the cops in his jurisdiction of selective enforcement based on characteristics that couldn't possibly be relevant here, wink wink, and is using that precedent to justify Birthers' selective enforcement.
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Which leaves him a serious problem because previously he has been arguing that the Presidency is a highly important job and the person filling the role should have a full background check and show certain things before being allowed to do the job. That none of the other candidates and past Presidents meet the criteria that he sets out without his worrying about it, shows that his issue is squarely with Obama. And what is unique about him? Can't be that he's a democrat because there was no problem woth any of the other Democrats listed, so that leaves just one thing.
 
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Oh boy. The open racism of Lame Cherry gets a nod from Dr. (K/H)ate.

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/01/admiration-of-none.html

"As California Joe noted about the Chinese though in their places of residence smelled like a Kiowa camp after buffalo hunts in August, you get the idea they were a bunch who reeked of the stench of rotting death. Those types of historical notes, are not exactly a proud thing like Swedes coming to America were lice covered in various genus of lice.

Personally, I find the Chin a rather repulsive people in being unattractive. Not as unattractive as Dinesh D'Souza Bombay, but all the same, I find no attractive qualities in them, less in those Cantonese and only marginal passing in the Mandarin.

I will not go into all the "Chinese" as they are a vastly different folk like "Indians", but suffice it to say the respect I had for them was suffering well in working hard, and that goes out the window in being whiners at Limbaugh.

I judge that the most common type of "Japanese" to be thee most attractive Asians. They are just plain hot. This is followed by the Koreans of both species resembling both the Cantonese and Mandarin in form. Singapore chics are on the margin as are the Vietnamese. Cambodians got that Canton going on too much for me, and likewise Laotians got that Mandarin going on.

Odd how some races are good mixes and some are just not that attractive. Mix enough European into Oprah Winfrey and you get a Renee Tennison who is gorgeous, but Oprah alone is something only Barack Obama sr. would trade cows for."
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Oh great, Nebraska shows that their Congress are totally clueless about the Constitution

http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/Intro/LB654.pdf

(4) Each person who wishes to have his or her name placed on the general election ballot as a candidate for President or Vice President of the United States shall first meet the eligibility requirements of Article II, section 1, of the Constitution of the United States. Such person shall submit an affidavit to the Secretary of State along with supporting documentation as specified in subsections (5) and (6) of this section by September 8 of the year in which the election is scheduled. The affidavit and supporting documentation shall be a public record.

(5) The affidavit shall be sworn or affirmed before a notary public and shall contain statements substantially as follows: I was born a citizen of the United States of America and was subject exclusively to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, owing allegiance to no other country at the time of my birth. On the day I was born, both my birth mother and birth father were citizens of the United States of America. As further evidence of the above statements, I have attached the items required in subsection (6) of this section.
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Have any of Nebraska's legislatures read the US Constitution lately?
 
beren said:
Or of course, the 4th option:

Whether or not a speeder was selectively pulled over, he was still speeding. Selective enforcement does *not* affect guilt, and "others were doing it to" is no defense.

The REAL problem with his analogy is that is only makes sense if the presuppose guilt. If the "speeder" is innocent, the analogy is gibberish. Here is a more accurate version on the analogy:

40 white men and one black are driving down the same highway. They are all travelling at the same speed or near enough to it as for the difference to not be easily discernable.

The cops pull over the black man and say "sir, our radar gun is broken, so we don't know for sure if you were speeding or not. As a result, we want you to prove you were not speeding.

The black man asks why none of the white drivers were treated the same.
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The big flaw of his speeder analogy is that, for his analogy to be accurate, there must never have been any speed trap before the first black man got a driver´s license, and the cops must only ever pull over black men driving, regardless of speed. And, of course, the radar gun must be in perfect working condition, but the cops don´t trust it because it doesn´t show the black man as speeding.
 
Travis said:
Still no explanation for why he was born in Kenya.
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"They" (the islamofacistmarxistradicals) didn't think their plan through very well...they were brilliant enough to believe back in 1961 that a mixed race child could grow up to be president of the united states -- at a time when many African Americans couldn't even vote! However, as is true with all evil nefarious plans, they got tripped up in the execution. They didn't think that taking Mrs. Obama out of the U.S. to have her baby in Mombassa would ever be detected. ITs the small stuff that trips you up when your persuing global evil 24/7.
 
For me to believe that the President (and any person) was not born in the United States, contrary to all evidence (birth certificate, newspaper announcements, personal anecdotes) I would need proof that the mother had left the USA. In the case of the current US president it would involve a flight manifest or passenger ship manifest (you can't drive to another country from Hawai'i). It could also be proof that her or the father's bank account was deducted the cost of a ticket. Entrance and exit from US customs forms. Just one of these would help me support any move to doubt the President legitimacy.

I wouldn't need a motive for her leaving the US while pregnant to go to a country on the other side of the planet from her home and family, but it would help.
 
CptColumbo said:
For me to believe that the President (and any person) was not born in the United States, contrary to all evidence (birth certificate, newspaper announcements, personal anecdotes) I would need proof that the mother had left the USA. In the case of the current US president it would involve a flight manifest or passenger ship manifest (you can't drive to another country from Hawai'i). It could also be proof that her or the father's bank account was deducted the cost of a ticket. Entrance and exit from US customs forms. Just one of these would help me support any move to doubt the President legitimacy.

I wouldn't need a motive for her leaving the US while pregnant to go to a country on the other side of the planet from her home and family, but it would help.
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I agree with you...motive isn't actually that important...but one shred of actual proof would be interesting...a photo, a passenger manifest, a visa application...something.

and this is where the world is topsy/turvy. The one piece of physical evidence ... a certified document by the State of Hawaii accepted everywhere as proof of birth and citizenship, etc... is doubted and the thunderous silence of any actual physical proof for the alternative version of facts is held up as a standard. The abscence of evidence is evidence. Sad. Very sad.
 
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