Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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boyntonstu said:
The President of the US is not anyone.
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Indeed. He is the person who is hounded by partisan racist bigots because they do not like the color of his skin.

The Law says what it says, and some folks are seeking verification.
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The law says what is says. Some folks don´t like what it says, and even that the law be ignored to satisfy their bigotry.

The piece of paper is not an issue with everyone who needs proof of birth for driver's license, etc.


The State issued computer printed document is sufficient.
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That´s what the law says. The law also says that what Obama provided is sufficient to be eligible as president.

So why should a bunch of partisan racist bigots be allowed to ignore the law?
 
ANTPogo said:
The vehicle of even the smallest local police department will have right of way over the Federal mail truck. Unless its lights and siren are off. Then it's just a matter of whoever got to the stop sign first.
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Sorry, but no.

But as a postal delivery worker with 50 years of experience told me "We're not going to be *stupid* about it."

Right of way is given, it is not taken. And legally, Federal always trumps Local or State. You just better have a d*mn good reason to do so in this kind of case.
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TSR said:
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Sorry, but no.

But as a postal delivery worker with 50 years of experience told me "We're not going to be *stupid* about it."

Right of way is given, it is not taken. And legally, Federal always trumps Local or State. You just better have a d*mn good reason to do so in this kind of case.
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This indicates otherwise.
 
BenBurch said:
BTW, the people MOST upset about the change in detail of what is on the birth certificate are astrologers, who want the exact time of birth, not just the date.
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Yeah, but then they go and change everything up on us. I've lived all my life happy and content as an Aquarius, and now they tell me I'm a Capricorn? Those guys *suck*.

I am *so* bummed.

Maybe my palm reader can cheer me up...
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boyntonstu said:
The Law says what it says, and some folks are seeking verification.
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no, bigots who do not want a black man with Muslim roots and liberal ideas as POTUS, are seeking verification.

if Obama was a conservative Republican, his ancestry and religion would NOT be in doubt.

lets make that very clear.
 
Lets see how some people in this thread wrap their head around this one ...

I was born in El Paso, TX yet I have a Rhode Island Birth Certificate.
 
So boyntonstu,

Simple question for you. If Arus808 was running for President in 2012, would you be willing to accept her CoLB shown in Post #2170 as proof that she was entitled to do so?
 
PhantomWolf said:
So boyntonstu,

Simple question for you. If Arus808 was running for President in 2012, would you be willing to accept her CoLB shown in Post #2170 as proof that she was entitled to do so?
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Yes, under these conditions:

A state official swears under oath and subject to perjury that CoLB was born in the state as printed on the computer form.

That all other Constitutional requirements for office also be attested to under oath and subject to perjury by the Party leader.


Have you ever hear of forged documents, bonds, currency, passports, etc?

This isn't Little League, it is the President of the U.S. whose finger will be on the nuclear button.

Extremely important officials require extremely careful vetting.
 
boyntonstu said:
Yes, under these conditions...
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OK, as you didn't answer before, I'll ask again.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

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Which part of that are you taking issue with?
 
Would you be this concerned about it if McCain had been elected? Would you even had asked for his birth certificate in the first place?
 
"This isn't Little League, it is the President of the U.S. whose finger will be on the nuclear button."

Yes, and with absolutely NO PROOF WHATSOEVER you are charging officials of the the State of Hawaii with perpetrating a fraud. But it is more than a fraud, it really has no name, because you are alleging that they are lying about the validity of a certified document that is the only document that the state can and has to issue in this circumstance. The State says it is official and certified. The Head of the State Department of Health said that it was varified. The state law makes it the only document that the state will issue. Every state in the Union and the federal government accept this document as the one and only certified birth certificate for the individual in question and use it for all manner of government and non-govenmental purposes (e.g. getting a passport to applying for college) yet YOU in all of your brilliance know that a fraud is being perpetraited. You can't prove it. You, in fact have absolutely no evidence for the assertion what so ever. You can't show any instance where the document of type the state issued in this case is different than a certified birth certificate that the state would issue today for anyone born in Hawaii.

Yet you know in some dank sub basement (below the Hawaii 50 office one presumes) that there is a super secret file cabinent where they've depostied the mysterious long form birth certificate that contains more information than is available or required by the official form. That the State is hiding that document. THat the elected president of the United States has a copy or has seen that document and that is the real real real birth certificate...the super special official one -- the one that only the really special top secret people in the illuminati get access to...oh yes, and maybe the FBI if the president helps bomb a building somewhere. Sheesh.


Your objections are made up of thin air. They have no evidentiary value. They have no legal value. They are in fact completely illogical -- i.e you nor none of you happy birthers can explain in any coherent way the chain of events and how it would have happened that would take Mrs. Obama to Kenya for the birth of her son and than back to Hawaii where they got a jumped up fake birth certificate. This isn't even a crop circle. This is hearsay of someone who thinks they once saw a ghost boarding a UFO in his back yard and wants to report it to the police as a trespass.
 
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boyntonstu said:
Yes, under these conditions:

A state official swears under oath and subject to perjury that CoLB was born in the state as printed on the computer form.

That all other Constitutional requirements for office also be attested to under oath and subject to perjury by the Party leader.


Have you ever hear of forged documents, bonds, currency, passports, etc?

This isn't Little League, it is the President of the U.S. whose finger will be on the nuclear button.

Extremely important officials require extremely careful vetting.
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The Constitutional requirements were satisfied when Congress certified the election.
 
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