Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Alferd_Packer]

Oops, I also left out Darth Vader.

Norm

DV: Barack . . . I am your father!

BO: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[timhau]

Do we have proof that he doesn't have a cybernetic hand? Why is he hiding that from us?

 

[TjW]

He's never really hidden it. He just waves it and tells you it's not the cybernetic hand you were looking for.

 

[BeAChooser]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

Here's the latest …

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/the_birther_trial_balloon.html

January 25, 2011

… snip …

Is anyone really surprised that Hawaii's new governor, Neil Abercrombie, was unable to produce the promised Obama long-form birth certificate? No matter how Abercrombie's words are parsed or interpreted or spun, the fact is that there is no new evidence -- just a story about a supposedly well-intentioned but bungling Hawaiian governor, prohibited from access to the certificate because of Hawaii's privacy laws, who must cease the search before he finds himself labeled another "vexatious requester."

I take no sides …

 

[boyntonstu]

A Hawaiian friend who played T ball with Obama at age 5 speaks about the Hawaii birth certificate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE

View at 1:32

Are you skeptical?

Is this guy reliable?

 

[Thunder]

dude, why do you hate Obama?

 

[Paul]

dude, why do you hate Obama?

Harriet Johnson: What did he say?
Dr. Sam Johnson: He said the sheriff is near.

 

[CptColumbo]

A Hawaiian friend who played T ball with Obama at age 5 speaks about the Hawaii birth certificate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE

View at 1:32

Are you skeptical?

Is this guy reliable?

Did you listen to the interview?
The person being discussed seems to be Neil Ambercrombie.
Given what the Governor has said in public, I would find this second hand account to be unreliable.

 

[boyntonstu]

Did you listen to the interview?
The person being discussed seems to be Neil Ambercrombie.
Given what the Governor has said in public, I would find this second hand account to be unreliable.

"I would find this second hand account to be unreliable."

Let's see what happens in six months.


"Given what the Governor has said in public"

What was his latest comment?

Why do some folks hate fact finders?

If you hate me and you have facts, I will listen to them.

I have never understood deflective, change the subject responses.

If the State of Hawaii will officially proclaim, "We have in our possession the Long Form Birth Certificate for President Obama, but no, you cannot see it."

I would be happier.

Have you ever heard that statement?

 

[Arus808]

If the State of Hawaii will officially proclaim, "We have in our possession the Long Form Birth Certificate for President Obama, but no, you cannot see it."

I would be happier.

Have you ever heard that statement?

they can't even say that. they can only confirm that they have records which is what they have done, twice.\
And if you wanted to know why they can't show you it, all you have to do is go to Hawaii's DOH page and see who can have access to those records. Its written in black and white.


Why should officials use the specific words that birther want to hear?

Cantor recently wanted to put the birther cred to rest (they thought that he would support their initiatives) and came out saying that Obama was a US Citizen. Birthers (like Taitz and Berg) are saying "SEE! He didn't say that OBAMA was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"

You can't satisfy birthers;



http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf


the fact that this has been pointed out several times in this thread, shows that you are only trolling.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

Hawaii's Governor tells Birthers to buzz off.

WOW, almost 45,000 comments and most of them from a small group of hard core birthers and racists.

I'm suprised Yahoo lets some of the comments go.

 

[boyntonstu]

they can't even say that. they can only confirm that they have records which is what they have done, twice.\
And if you wanted to know why they can't show you it, all you have to do is go to Hawaii's DOH page and see who can have access to those records. Its written in black and white.


Why should officials use the specific words that birther want to hear?

Cantor recently wanted to put the birther cred to rest (they thought that he would support their initiatives) and came out saying that Obama was a US Citizen. Birthers (like Taitz and Berg) are saying "SEE! He didn't say that OBAMA was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"

You can't satisfy birthers;



http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf


the fact that this has been pointed out several times in this thread, shows that you are only trolling.

Indeed!

Do you know the difference between a Long Form Birth Certificate and an "Official" Birth Certificate?

Did you know that you could obtain an "Official" Birth Certificate through the mail? You didn't have to prove anything.

This is an example of official scrutiny that unfortunately does not apply in the present case:

I moved to Florida and went to register my car.

The MVA clerk walked outside to verify the odometer reading that I wrote on my application.

If a Clerk from Hawaii would walk into their archives and verify that s/he swears that she has seen the Long Form, it would be nice.


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[NotJesus]

the fact that this has been pointed out several times in this thread, shows that you are only trolling.

Indeed!

Admission noted.

 

[Paul]

If a Clerk from Hawaii would walk into their archives and verify that s/he swears that she has seen the Long Form, it would be nice.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
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Which part of that are you taking issue with?

 

[timhau]

If you hate me and you have facts, I will listen to them.

Facts.

 

[Sabrina]

If you hate me and you have facts, I will listen to them.

You haven't thus far; why should we believe you now?

 

[Arus808]

Indeed!

Do you know the difference between a Long Form Birth Certificate and an "Official" Birth Certificate?

THERE IS NO LONG FORM.
Hawaii has never had a LONG form. That is made up term by birthers.
the FORM's content has changed over time (what the form looked like 1961 is VASTLY different than what it looks like today), but that is due to laws being passed about what is MANDATORY information that needs to be on a birth record.

And guess what? The only thing that needs to be on a birth record for all US Citizens (minimum):
Full Name
Birth place (must be in the US for automatic citizenship)
Date of Birth
Registrar's Signature
Embossed Seal (of the state, or department of health)
Date it was signed.


Yup that's it. Anything else doesn't do squat for determining citizenship in America. Anything else is up to the state to decide to include.

Which is why many states have adopted very a form similar to Hawaii's. One factor is due to the rising issue of Identity theft. and one of the reasons why Hawaii has a law that only those who have a relation to the person (or the person themselves) are able to get a copy of their Birth Certificate.

There is no SUCH THING AS A LONG FORM. And birthers like you need to stop repeating this lie.


There is only one type of form, a Birth Record. And many states call it by different names:

Birth Certificate
Certification of Live Birth
Certificate of Live Birth
Certification of Birth
Certificate of Birth

are some that same form are called by.

Hawaii has called their birth record by 2 names over the past 50 years: Certificate of Live Birth and Certification of Live Birth.

Did you know that you could obtain an "Official" Birth Certificate through the mail? You didn't have to prove anything.

Actually 100% false. You can't. I've done this with Hawaii since I'm born there. The application requires you to provide proof that you are the person requesting your copy (send an image of your Drivers License or provide specific information that is found on the BC that would only be known by the person requesting it) otherwise, if you're a relative (ex husband/wife/mother/father) , you have to provide proof that you have an interest in the copy

If a Clerk from Hawaii would walk into their archives and verify that s/he swears that she has seen the Long Form, it would be nice.

THEY DID. I linked to the Press REelases where she admits this! Do you even bother to read the stuff posted in reply to you?

 

[CptColumbo]

"I would find this second hand account to be unreliable."

Let's see what happens in six months.


"Given what the Governor has said in public"

What was his latest comment?

So you didn't read the Star-Advertiser article.

The relevant portion (again):

I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.

(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.

Why do some folks hate fact finders?

Why do you hate not looking at the source of your information?

If you hate me and you have facts, I will listen to them.

They have been shown to you many time, but you are ignoring them.

I have never understood deflective, change the subject responses.

If the State of Hawaii will officially proclaim, "We have in our possession the Long Form Birth Certificate for President Obama, but no, you cannot see it."

I would be happier.

Have you ever heard that statement?

Not word for word, but they have said words to that effect.
Congress even passed a resolution naming Hawaii as the birth state of President Obama.
H.R. 593

...Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii;...

 

[Accidental Martyr]

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
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Which part of that are you taking issue with?

Wait a minute, Chiyome Fukino, that name doesn't sound American!!!!!!!!
This is all part of the conspiracy!!!!!!!

 

[headscratcher4]

Basically, by the logic being used here...there is nothing any Hawaiian can do to prove he/she was born in Hawaii. The only document issued by the state that "certifies" that a person was born in hawaii, so the birther brain must conclude, is a jumped up fraud.

SO, everyone in Hawaii who claims to have been born in Hawaii has, for example, gotten a social security number, a drivers licence, a U.S. passport, applied for college -- any of the things one does with a birth certificate -- essentially all must be guilty of fraud.

Your trolling could be put to much better use. There is more "evidence" that the holocaust didn't happen than Obama was born outside of the U.S. (Hawaii) and is not a citizen. There is more "evidence" that a UFO crashed in Roswell. There is more apparent logic in a belief that the earth is flat.

You birthers all continue to bore the crap out of me with the constant promises of "just wait till...." and than nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. No new facts, no new information, no new ideas.

I'm still waiting for one of you to tell me how they pulled it off in any sort of logical, believable way. How did a 17 yearold pregnant white woman travel from Hawaii to Kenya, have a biracial baby in Kenya and return to the United States where she got the records fixed so that it merely seemed like he was born in the U.S.? And no one at the boarders in either country, at a time of massive racial discrimination in the United States, wonder about a woman returning from Africa with a half-white baby claiming it to be a citizen? Whose passport did the baby travel under? And on and on and on and on.