Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Alferd_Packer]

Admit it, everyone: you're secretly as pleased as I am that this conspiracy theory exists because:

1) It makes it very easy to tell when you don't need to take someone seriously, and
2) It's funny as all hell

You got that right.

 

[boyntonstu]

As if you don't already know that even if such a document were produced, it still wouldn't be enough. There would be some new document that needed releasing, and that would show the real story.

First produce it and then we will see the reaction, if any.

I doubt that it will ever be produced.

When the 'minor' Watergate break in occurred, a friend said to me that the wheels will start grinding, but ever so slow.

I believe that is what is happening now.

We will see.

 

[A Laughing Baby]

First produce it and then we will see the reaction, if any.

I doubt that it will ever be produced.

When the 'minor' Watergate break in occurred, a friend said to me that the wheels will start grinding, but ever so slow.

I believe that is what is happening now.

We will see.

So, when nothing happens on this, what will your reaction be? Are you just going to pretend it never happened?

 

[CptColumbo]

And, why would she travel from Hawaii to Kenya?

-- Roger

Obviously for the better quality of health care.

 

[CptColumbo]

Here is mine:

[qimg]http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4783/newhawaiicolb.jpg[/qimg]

Cracker!


ETA: I do still have the one that was obtained in 70s that has hospital and the doctor's signature. Mainly because my grandmother kept them in a scrap book (there were 5 copies). I used one to get my current passport. When I got a passport in the 80s (I didn't know grandma had one) it was a long process that involved going to the county office and waiting while the clerk searched the records by hand an photo copied it and stamped it. The whole thing took about 2 hours. I'm not even sure what we issue in Minnesota now.

 

[jadebox]

This reminds me of when my father needed to get a passport. He needed his birth certificate. We were on vacation in Ohio so he was able to request it in person. I don't recall the details, but the local municipality no longer kept the records and had them all transferred to county or state. When they did, they didn't transer the actual records, they transcribed them into new records.

So, my father picks up his birth certificate and it lists a different spelling for his middle name (and my middle name) than the one he (and I) had been using all his (my) life. We'd both been living a lie! The name on his wedding license and his name on my birth certificate were wrong.

(Just think of what the birthers would have said if Obama's name was mispelled on his COLB.)

Anyway, it would not have been surprising to me if original records from Obama's birth no longer existed in Hawaii. It is actually a little suprising to me that they apparently do.

-- Roger

 

[Chaos]

First produce it and then we will see the reaction, if any.

I doubt that it will ever be produced.

When the 'minor' Watergate break in occurred, a friend said to me that the wheels will start grinding, but ever so slow.

I believe that is what is happening now.

We will see.

Has any birther ever proven that this alleged "long form" actually exists, by providing this alleged "long form" for any other person born on Hawaii in 1961?

If so, where is it?

If not, why not?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Well they have provided the so-called "Nordyke Twins" BCs. What is interesting is that these two girls were born in the same hospital at about the same time as Obama and the record number is just a few digits off. Since the numbers were preprinted on the forms by the state before they were sent to the hospital, it just confirms that Obama was born in the same hospital at about the same time.

 

[boyntonstu]

Well they have provided the so-called "Nordyke Twins" BCs. What is interesting is that these two girls were born in the same hospital at about the same time as Obama and the record number is just a few digits off. Since the numbers were preprinted on the forms by the state before they were sent to the hospital, it just confirms that Obama was born in the same hospital at about the same time.

Is there any other possibility other than what you stated?

If Mr. Sherlock Holmes was on the case, he might discover other possibilities.

Fact: The "Complete" Form exists for the "Nordyke Twins".

Fact: A computer form was produced with a near number. (1998?)

Fact: There is no evidence that the "Complete" Form exists for Obama .

What are the possibilities that would explain the above?

 

[Accidental Martyr]

If Mr. Sherlock Holmes was on the case, he might discover other possibilities.

Why don't you call him up and get him on the case?

 

[CptColumbo]

Is there any other possibility other than what you stated?

If Mr. Sherlock Holmes was on the case, he might discover other possibilities.

He is a work of fiction, much like the fantasy that Obama was born outside the USA.

Fact: The "Complete" Form exists for the "Nordyke Twins".

How do you know? Did you see it? Did you interview the doctors to make sure their signatures were not forged? What proof do you have that these so-called "Nordyke Twins" even exist?

Fact: A computer form was produced with a near number. (1998?)

Fact: There is no evidence that the "Complete" Form exists for Obama .

The evidence is that he has a certificate with a reference number on it.

What are the possibilities that would explain the above?

That you are not paying attention.

 

[A'isha]

Fact: The "Complete" Form exists for the "Nordyke Twins".

Fact: A computer form was produced with a near number. (1998?)

Fact: There is no evidence that the "Complete" Form exists for Obama .

What are the possibilities that would explain the above?

There's only one: At birth, Obama and the Nordyke Twins were given copies of the Birth Certificate as it was issued at the time. Somewhere in the intervening forty-odd years, Obama or his parents/stepparents/grandparents lost their 1961 copy. When Obama requested a new copy from the Hawaii department of health, he was given a copy of the Birth Certificate as it was issued at that time.

As has been explained to you before, if the Nordyke twins do exactly what Obama did, and ask for another copy of their Birth Certificates from the Hawaii DOH, they will get the exact same form Obama got. And only that form.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

if the Nordyke twins do exactly what Obama did, and ask for another copy of their Birth Certificates from the Hawaii DOH, they will get the exact same form Obama got. And only that form.

that form with the same record number as on the "long" version.

Furthermore, a careful examination of the Nordyke BC indicates that it is in fact a certified copy issued in 1964, not 1961.

 

[timhau]

Is there any other possibility other than what you stated?

If Mr. Sherlock Holmes was on the case, he might discover other possibilities.

Yes. As Bertrand Russell once wrote, "the worse your logic, the more interesting the consequences to which it gives rise".

 

[boyntonstu]

that form with the same record number as on the "long" version.

Furthermore, a careful examination of the Nordyke BC indicates that it is in fact a certified copy issued in 1964, not 1961.

Good. Careful examination.

Certified copies are acceptable.

I would like to see a Certified copy of Obama's BC.

Latest News:

Celebrity Journalist: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ed-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/#ixzz1F9g0qSxt

This is the whole deal of Long vs Short

"In 2008, the Obama campaign provided a certification of live birth -- a shorter form document that bears the same legal weight as the more detailed original certificate of live birth -- to prove his eligibility to be president. That has not quelled calls by those who have asked for the president’s original, longer form birth certificate, which they maintain would more clearly prove his status as a natural-born American citizen."

 

[Mojo]

This is the whole deal of Long vs Short

"In 2008, the Obama campaign provided a certification of live birth -- a shorter form document that bears the same legal weight as the more detailed original certificate of live birth -- to prove his eligibility to be president. That has not quelled calls by those who have asked for the president’s original, longer form birth certificate, which they maintain would more clearly prove his status as a natural-born American citizen."

My emphasis.

So it's a complete waste of time.

 

[JoelKatz]

Ooh, this is a good excuse to tell the story of my youngest sister's birth certificate: My sister's original birth certificate is on file in an office in a small town in New York, the office that issued it. Her birth certificate is the only birth certificate on file there!

The town was incorporated, and just a few years later the regulations changed so that birth certificates were issued by the county, not the town. There were no hospitals in the town, but she was unexpectedly born at home during a snowstorm. So her birth certificate was the only one the town ever issued and the only one they have on file.

Any time she needs to obtain a new copy, and she has a few times in her life, she goes through an amusing telephone exchange.

 

[timhau]

This is the whole deal of Long vs Short

"In 2008, the Obama campaign provided a certification of live birth -- a shorter form document that bears the same legal weight as the more detailed original certificate of live birth -- to prove his eligibility to be president. That has not quelled calls by those who have asked for the president’s original, longer form birth certificate, which they maintain would more clearly prove his status as a natural-born American citizen."

Or, in not so many words:

Matter settled. Nutjobs keep on making noise.

 

[elbe]

That has not quelled calls by those who have asked for the president’s original, longer form birth certificate, which they maintain would more clearly prove his status as a natural-born American citizen.

Seems like a demand to see a piece of paper issued 40-50 years ago. Does that not seem somewhat unfair to everyone who has ever lost their original copy?

 

[Sabrina]

I was born in Ohio.

At one point, not long after I moved, I was providing paperwork for my periodic reinvestigation (for my security clearance) and was told I needed to provide a copy of my birth certificate. Now, my mother had given me my original some time before, but at the time I was unable to find it; as I said, I had recently moved and wasn't sure which box it was in. So, I contacted the Ohio department of Vital Statistics via their online website, and after providing proof of my identity, was able to request a new copy, which they sent to me in PDF format as well as hardcopy, assuring me that it would suffice in either form.

Not long after that, I discovered my original in a pile of papers, and having received the other, compared them. The information on the FULLY LEGAL and ACCEPTED copy the department had sent to me when I requested a new one was much less than the information on the original, yet I have since used the second copy to renew my drivers license and on several other occasions. Were I to run for President (God forbid; I quail at the thought of being a supervisor at work, since I'm doing it in the military in an entirely different format and would likely have trouble keeping the two separate), I could provide either copy to Congress as proof that I had been born in the United States in Montgomery County, Dayton, Ohio in 1978, and no one would question it.

This bears repeating, boyntonstu; EITHER COPY IS SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE LEGAL, ACCEPTED PROOF THAT I AM A NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES.

Sorry for the yelling, everyone, but nothing else seems to be getting through to this apparently thick-headed individual, so I thought I'd give it a shot. So, boyntonstu, if I WERE to run for president and only provided the second copy I received from the Ohio Office of Vital Statistics, the one that has less information than the original yet is still a fully notarized, legally accepted document in any state in this country that I am a natural-born citizen, to Congress, which is the only legal body in the entire United States capable of determining my eligibility to run for that office, would you then insist upon seeing my original as well?

Oh wait, I forgot... I'm white. No, you probably wouldn't ask to see the original at all. Although I suppose there's the possibility that you'd appear to be a chauvinist, in addition to APPEARING to be a racist, so maybe you would demand it since I'm a woman.

So, I would like to pose a question to you, boyntonstu. What is it about the perfectly acceptable, LEGAL document that has been provided by the President as proof of his birth in the United States in the state of Hawai'i that you find unacceptable or lacking in proof? As far as I can tell, you have yet to explain exactly what it is you want to see, so why not do us all a favor and just explain what you WOULD accept as proof, if it's not this fully legal document provided by the Hawai'i Office of Vital Statistics, the sworn statement of the Hawai'i registrar stating there is a birth certificate on file in their office, the birth announcement in the paper, and the testimony of several other valid persons that President Barack H. Obama was born in Hawai'i and is therefore a natural-born citizen of the United States. Either that, or admit that the real reason you joined with this ridiculous crusade is because you, like most of the uneducated idiots who espouse this view, just don't think a black man should be elected President. Or maybe you're just a rabid McCain supporter; I have no idea. All I am sure of is that there is another reason besides your supposed concern about the President's eligibility to hold the office that drives you to make these idiotic claims that have no evidence whatsoever to back them up.