Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Admit it, everyone: you're secretly as pleased as I am that this conspiracy theory exists because:

1) It makes it very easy to tell when you don't need to take someone seriously, and
2) It's funny as all hell
 
just to note...this thread was started in OCTOBER of 09. In all of that time...when it comes to "evidence"....crickets, loud, noisey crickets and the promise that if we wait just a little longer it will all be shown to be true. Crickets.
 
The racism and anti-semitism is alive with Lame Cherry, who has an issue with Eric Cantor

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/01/eric-cantor-disney-and-dupnik-are.html


Her "Questions for Obama" is a hoot:

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/01/questions-for-bill-obama.html

and of course she amps up the crazy and racism:

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/01/do-you-now-believe.html

"It was not that long ago that this blog laid out the entire scenarios housed in archives and in public (yes the spiders and the brown recluse in the White House basement have live feed surveillance and grab things off the internet people are typing immediately.) concerning the Clinton coup par dux involving their two legs in Rahm Emanuel and Neil Abercrombie in thee must noted Deep Pineapple operation."
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Arus808 said:
THERE IS NO LONG FORM.
Hawaii has never had a LONG form. That is made up term by birthers.
the FORM's content has changed over time (what the form looked like 1961 is VASTLY different than what it looks like today), but that is due to laws being passed about what is MANDATORY information that needs to be on a birth record.

And guess what? The only thing that needs to be on a birth record for all US Citizens (minimum):
Full Name
Birth place (must be in the US for automatic citizenship)
Date of Birth
Registrar's Signature
Embossed Seal (of the state, or department of health)
Date it was signed.


Yup that's it. Anything else doesn't do squat for determining citizenship in America. Anything else is up to the state to decide to include.

Which is why many states have adopted very a form similar to Hawaii's. One factor is due to the rising issue of Identity theft. and one of the reasons why Hawaii has a law that only those who have a relation to the person (or the person themselves) are able to get a copy of their Birth Certificate.

There is no SUCH THING AS A LONG FORM. And birthers like you need to stop repeating this lie.


There is only one type of form, a Birth Record. And many states call it by different names:

Birth Certificate
Certification of Live Birth
Certificate of Live Birth
Certification of Birth
Certificate of Birth

are some that same form are called by.

Hawaii has called their birth record by 2 names over the past 50 years: Certificate of Live Birth and Certification of Live Birth.




Actually 100% false. You can't. I've done this with Hawaii since I'm born there. The application requires you to provide proof that you are the person requesting your copy (send an image of your Drivers License or provide specific information that is found on the BC that would only be known by the person requesting it) otherwise, if you're a relative (ex husband/wife/mother/father) , you have to provide proof that you have an interest in the copy




THEY DID. I linked to the Press REelases where she admits this! Do you even bother to read the stuff posted in reply to you?
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Here is an example of a Hawaiian Long Form http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/longform.jpg

Here is what Obama has released http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/shortform.jpg

Do you stand corrected, or do you still maintain that there was no Long Form at the time of Obama's birth?
 
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Again and again and again...what Obama has released is all that Hawaii produces as evidence of birth and it is a document completelly accepted as proof of birth in the U.S. by every state and the Federal government. It is the only document that anyone from Hawaii is likely ever to get that officially "certifies" their birth.

What part of this don't you understand?
 
They don't understand the part where a black man is allowed to become president. Surely there's some law against that?
 
boyntonstu said:
Here is an example of a Hawaiian Long Form http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/longform.jpg
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One from 1961 (i dont click on links to WND , but Im assuming its the Nordyke BC's)

if Mrs. Nordyke or the twins went to Hawaii today, and requested a copy of their COLB, this what they would get too.

Here is what Obama has released http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/shortform.jpg
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Here is mine:

newhawaiicolb.jpg


Ordered in 2010. I also have one from 2006 and from 1999 (why so many copies? because like my own original copy my parents lost, I can't find the copies I ordered as I only need to produce one if I'm getting a job or need fill out paperwork that requires it)

The only difference is that in 2008, they changed the title of their form to Certificate of Live Birth, instead of Certification of Live Birth



The above is good enough:
for a passport
to get a drivers license
to file IRS Tax documents


As for why Obama doesn't have his original copy (like I do). Maybe his parents lost it (like mines did)? Maybe through the moving from Hawaii to Indonesia and then back to Hawaii in 1971 it got destroyed or misplaced (paper does so well in humid countries)? I don't know, nor does it matter.

Did you miss the part in my response that in the 50 years that Hawaii has been a State, the form has changed with time reflecting on laws that have been passed and what is really needed to be in a Birth Certificate? Of course you did, because you're delusional.


Do you stand corrected, or do you still maintain that there was no Long Form at the time of Obama's birth?
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Again there IS NO SUCH THING AS LONG FORM birth certificate.

IT has always been a Certificate of Live Birth or a Certification of Live Birth (the name on the form has changed over the years, back and forth between the two). THE CONTENT has changed over the 50 years to reflect CURRENT LAWS on what is NEEDED to be on a COLB for identification and citizenship purposes! To be a natural born all it has to show is WHERE YOU WERE BORN, WHEN YOU WERE BORN and if an official has signed off on it (the registrar at the Department of Health).

EVERYTHING ELSE is just information that the CDC would like to have. Other than it serves NO Purpose to the average joe and isn't used for citizenship issues.

ETA: removing new york claim, will reply below
 
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Arus808 said:
One from 1961 (i dont click on links to WND , but Im assuming its the Nordyke BC's)

if Mrs. Nordyke or the twins went to Hawaii today, and requested a copy of their COLB, this what they would get too




Here is mine:

[qimg]http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4783/newhawaiicolb.jpg[/qimg]

Ordered in 2010

The only difference is that in 2008, they changed the title of their form to Certificate of Live Birth, instead of Certification of Live Birth



The above is good enough:
for a passport
to get a drivers license
to file IRS Tax documents

Did you miss the part in my response that in the 50 years that Hawaii has been a State, the form has changed with time reflecting on laws that have been passed and what is really needed to be in a Birth Certificate? Of course you did, because you're delusional.





Again there IS NO SUCH THING AS LONG FORM birth certificate.

IT has always been a Certificate of Live Birth or a Certification of Live Birth (the name on the form has changed over the years, back and forth between the two). THE CONTENT has changed over the 50 years to reflect CURRENT LAWS on what is NEEDED to be on a COLB for identification and citizenship purposes! To be a natural born all it has to show is WHERE YOU WERE BORN, WHEN YOU WERE BORN and if an official has signed off on it (the registrar at the Department of Health).

EVERYTHING ELSE is just information that the CDC would like to have. Other than it serves NO Purpose to the average joe.

Holy damn you have mash potatoes for brains.
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There is no such thing as a document entitled "Long Form". I agree.

There was a document with lots of information on it that measures larger than the COLB issued by Hawaii and which was shown by Obama.

The birthers refer to larger document as the Long Form.

Perhaps the Capitalization causes the confusion.

I will restate:

Produce the document that existed at the time of Obama's birth with the name of the hospital and the name of the attending physician.

I know, it does not exist, or if it does, it may not be shown.
 
boyntonstu said:
There is no such thing as a document entitled "Long Form". I agree.
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then why do you continue to refer to it as the "Long Form". The only reason is to discredit a FEDERALLY accepted form that is issued by the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii. Their only form.


There was a document with lots of information on it that measures larger than the COLB issued by Hawaii and which was shown by Obama.
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Evidence? please link to this made up crap so we can show you why its made up crap.

The birthers refer to larger document as the Long Form.
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They do this because they WANT to discredit the validity of the COLB as issued by Hawaii.

To continue to do this, they only show they are NOT interested in anything that Hawaii will provide. They are ignoring EVERY federal law in the book aS WEll as the US Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause.

Perhaps the Capitalization causes the confusion.
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Nope it doesn't > It's nothing but rhetoric. Capitalization or not. The purpose is clear: to discredit the ONLY official form that Hawaii provides.

I will restate:

Produce the document that existed at the time of Obama's birth with the name of the hospital and the name of the attending physician.
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Can't do that. There is a thing called privacy laws. As been told you several times in this thread alone. In fact Obama cannot even get a copy of the ORIGINAL because of the way the originals are NOW currently stored (all COLB's before 1999, before they went digital in 2000 are not accessible by the public)


I know, it does not exist, or if it does, it may not be shown.
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He has shown the COLB as issued by Hawaii on the ONLY FORM that Hawaii gives out.


Please show us YOUR original COLB when you were born and go in and request a copy from your Department of Health to see how much the form has changed over the years.

I can't even do it for mines, because my copy is long gone. I can only get the one form given out by the State of hawaii


BTW, all new parents in the state of hawaii only get the GREEN COLB as shown above. That means by your stupid standard, no one born in Hawaii since 2000, is a citizen at all.
 
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headscratcher4 said:
How did a 17 year-old pregnant white woman travel from Hawaii to Kenya, have a biracial baby in Kenya and return to the United States where she got the records fixed so that it merely seemed like he was born in the U.S.?
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And, why would she travel from Hawaii to Kenya?

-- Roger
 
Example of New York Birth Certificate

birthscan1.jpg
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oh dang, even less information than Hawaii's..



Texas:
birth20certificate20for.jpg



oh dang....even less than Hawaii's




ETA: these can be found by a simple google search on Birth certificates.
 
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Alferd_Packer said:
Why?

The document already produced satisfies the consitutional requirements. Why do you insist on more?
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As if you don't already know that even if such a document were produced, it still wouldn't be enough. There would be some new document that needed releasing, and that would show the real story.
 
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