Merged Skeptics vs. Knowers/Believers

You did see lights in the night sky. The conclusion that this were piloted crafts of any kind is an unjustified jump of unlogic. Your environment consists of known objects. Jumping to conclusion about unknown light sources is not common sense - it's the signature of the true believer.
You didn't come to your believe trough reasoning, therefore all our arguments have been and will be futile. Your believe is bullet-proof.
Your examples of historical arts and myths have been completly discredited by Marduk and you still use it.
You are simple unable to let a dear believe slip und confuse this with knowing the TRUTH.
Good luck with that attitude.

You know not that you know not...

I did not see 'lights'. I saw star-like objects. These objects did not act or perform in a manner consistent with human created and piloted airplanes, balloons, blimps, or drones.

"You are simple unable to let a dear believe slip und confuse this with knowing the TRUTH."

I know, right!?
 
GREAT graphic by the way...

Indeed, the objects DID move in and out of my driver's seat perspective.

I leaned forward in my seat and also looked out my side window to expand my view.

How fast were you driving?

Was the road curvy or straight?

How steep were the inclines, and which way (uphill / downhill)?
 
We were parked at a popular fishing/camping spot a stone's throw from the Red River, facing north.

OK, this answers one of three questions I asked you, so kudos for consistency.

Just out of curiosity, why were you sitting with your friend (Jon?) in a parked car at a camping spot?
 
OK, this answers one of three questions I asked you, so kudos for consistency.

Just out of curiosity, why were you sitting with your friend (Jon?) in a parked car at a camping spot?

We were out scouting several potential camping spots, this one being my favorite. I was pointing out spots to set some trot lines, and a place we could slip a small boat in.

This area is known as "Fobb Bottom", a small river valley that offers awesome sunsets. "Jon" is or was a city boy, and was just delighting to be this close to nature. With the windows down, and the breeze at a minimum, you can hear the river flow as bovine graze on all sides of you.

We were there to..."be".
 
This area is known as "Fobb Bottom", a small river valley that offers awesome sunsets. "Jon" is or was a city boy, and was just delighting to be this close to nature. With the windows down, and the breeze at a minimum, you can hear the river flow as bovine graze on all sides of you.


With no less than 10 airports within about 20 miles, and a Civil Air Patrol base 12 miles away. The idea that UFOs were seen which might not fall within some common mundane explanation is laughable.
 
I don't 'believe' I saw anything. I conclude that what I saw was non-human in origin.

With no evidence to support that conclusion.

What does stop assuming one's conclusion even mean?

It means to stop using circular logic. We are discussing whether or not your anecdote can be taken as evidence of intraterrestrials. You simply keep repeating that it can be while ignoring all the evidence to the contrary.

I trust my senses and reasoning skills to operate and fully function in my environment. Having never failed me to my detriment or those around me, I will continue to trust them.

Except that they have failed you. We've already demonstrated this.

SEEING a car coming is not evidence of it, according to skeptics.

No. Seeing a car coming is evidence of it, because we know that cars exist and we know that they drive in streets. Even out in the wilderness, someone seeing a car coming would be wise to get out of the way, because we still know that cars exist, and, while seeing one out there is unusual, it is not impossible.

You are strawmanning skepticism.

We do not know that your intraterrestrials exist. You claiming to have seen them is not proof that they do.
 
What shape were these objects?

Was the road straight or curved?

Was the road level, uphill or downhill?

I couldn't say what shape they were, other than round-ish. They weren't 'stable', but rather oscillated with red, white, and blue light. I don't even know if that is the right term for what I saw. It looked as if the center of the object was being orbited closely by red, white, and blue electrons that each took turns crisscrossing the front of the object. I say they were star-like, in that they twinkled, or were not a steady source of illumination, but they weren't 'blinking' either.

Some years ago I saw a video capturing exactly what I saw. I've had no success relocating it, with recent searches. That said, I'd like to encourage anyone who calls themselves a U.F.O. skeptic, to spend some time reviewing recent U.F.O. videos on youtube. There's some crazy stuff out there...

We were slightly off the road. The road that runs parallel to the river is fairly straight, then turn to head back up and out of the bottom. We were facing north, while the road runs east and west.

The bottom is flat, with a bluff to the south, and flat Oklahoma sandbars to the north.
 
I couldn't say what shape they were, other than round-ish. They weren't 'stable', but rather oscillated with red, white, and blue light. I don't even know if that is the right term for what I saw. It looked as if the center of the object was being orbited closely by red, white, and blue electrons that each took turns crisscrossing the front of the object. I say they were star-like, in that they twinkled, or were not a steady source of illumination, but they weren't 'blinking' either.


Interesting that the alleged witness can't even describe the event in any reasonable, understandable way.
 
I couldn't say what shape they were, other than round-ish. They weren't 'stable', but rather oscillated with red, white, and blue light. I don't even know if that is the right term for what I saw. It looked as if the center of the object was being orbited closely by red, white, and blue electrons that each took turns crisscrossing the front of the object. I say they were star-like, in that they twinkled, or were not a steady source of illumination, but they weren't 'blinking' either.

Some years ago I saw a video capturing exactly what I saw. I've had no success relocating it, with recent searches. That said, I'd like to encourage anyone who calls themselves a U.F.O. skeptic, to spend some time reviewing recent U.F.O. videos on youtube. There's some crazy stuff out there...

We were slightly off the road. The road that runs parallel to the river is fairly straight, then turn to head back up and out of the bottom. We were facing north, while the road runs east and west.

The bottom is flat, with a bluff to the south, and flat Oklahoma sandbars to the north.
And now you can see electrons with your naked eyes at large distances! Amazing.
 
And now you can see electrons with your naked eyes at large distances! Amazing.


Really. It does, on one hand, look like there is some confusion on the part of the witness about what was actually seen. On the other hand, the whole thing seems as if it's all been made up from scratch, a work of fiction in its entirety.
 
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I think an even more reasonable explanation is available to understand KotA's colour oscillation when you consider he's just informed us that he watches a lot of YouTube UFO videos.

As one of the usual video artifacts of filming points of light against a night sky is the effect that the white light sometimes flashes blue and red, it is not unreasonable to suggest that KotA's oscillation was only 'recognised' in hindsight after he had seen some other videos doing just that.

Of course he'll deny it and I admit it is only speculation from me which I can not prove, but I can supply quite a few videos of various objects oscillating in the manner he has described.
 
I think an even more reasonable explanation is available to understand KotA's colour oscillation when you consider he's just informed us that he watches a lot of YouTube UFO videos.

As one of the usual video artifacts of filming points of light against a night sky is the effect that the white light sometimes flashes blue and red, it is not unreasonable to suggest that KotA's oscillation was only 'recognised' in hindsight after he had seen some other videos doing just that.

Of course he'll deny it and I admit it is only speculation from me which I can not prove, but I can supply quite a few videos of various objects oscillating in the manner he has described.

Right... Now my memory was formed by something unavailable until 2005.

Amazing...
 
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