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King of the Americas said:
I have merely argued that there is no need to REQUIRE that 'they' be alien or have traveled interstellar distances to arrive here.
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RoboTimbo said:
I missed the post where you clarified that earlier. Can you provide a link to it?
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I'd like to know how any of that jives with assuming "all the anecdotes are correct" as mentioned here and elsewhere...

King of the Americas said:
Not in this thread. Here we are assuming, without verifiable evidence, that all the anecdotes are correct.
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That's the crux. Assume all the anecdotes are correct.

Well, then we have a lot of conflicting and contradictory information.

So, let's consider this.

We have some saying the aliens are bringing universal love, or world peace, or new technology, or whatever. Other people claim the aliens use us for cattle, or they plan to take over, or we're just breeding stock. Some say multiple alien races, otehrs say a single one. They seem to want to stay hidden, even though some people claim they do reveal themselves.

So, what can we make of this?

Well, I think we can rule out any benign motive. There's simply no logical reason for all this contradicotry information to exist that argues for a benign motive. I can't see aliens interested in universal love spreading rumors about war, or cattle, or whatever. I can easily, however, think of aliens who hate us spreading stories about universal love, among other disinformation.

So, we either have hostile beings, or some hostile/some benign. Either they are emnical to us, or they are a diverse group with some emnical and others friendly. Either way, I think inviting them down to the Olympics without any garauntees as to which case applies, or as to which group arrives, is not only ignorant, but also extremely dangerous and short-sighted.
 
King of the Americas said:
Unless the ship landed, and the non-human pilots exited the vehicle, "skeptics" would claim, there was no such ship. That it could have been a blimp, mass delusion, or a hoax of some sort. Something floating in the air isn't proof of anything... :rolleyes:

Without a body or the actual ship, skeptics CAN'T be convinced of anything. Pictures, videos, or 10,000 reports of the same event all saying the same thing = "squat".

Being skeptical means you get to complete dismiss and or ignore evidence without verifiable proof. So, as long as the craft didn't land, so that people could touch and test it and its contents..."It didn't happen and doesn't exist."
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No. This is a straw man. Without verifiable anecdotes, pictures, video, or, yes, an actual ship, we cannot be convinced. We do not reject the anecdotes, pictures, and video available because we think that we need a ship before we can say that it is real. We reject them because they are unverified, and therefore entirely useless as evidence.

King of the Americas said:
Not in this thread. Here we are assuming, without verifiable evidence, that all the anecdotes are correct. They exist.
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Apparently not, as your own post - which I was replying to - was not on that subject. Do I need to remind you that you posted this?

King of the Americas said:
History is chalked full of tales, pictures, paintings, and even videos of 'non-human heavenly agents', that you and other skeptics refuse to interpret these as such, is YOUR deficiency.
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This doesn't seem to be on the subject of bringing your intraterrestrial visitors down to Earth. Are you aware of your hypocrisy?

If you don't wish to partake, go away.
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I am participating. I am continuing the discussion that you were having earlier. For some reason, though, you've decided that you don't want to continue it any further, and that you'd like to have a temper tantrum instead.

Threads drift and split from the original topic all the time. If you don't want to have any discussion on any topic other than the OP, ask for it to be split into another thread. But don't continue that discussion, then start accusing others of getting off-topic when they respond to you.
 
King of the Americas said:
History is chalked full of tales, pictures, paintings, and even videos of 'non-human heavenly agents', that you and other skeptics refuse to interpret these as such, is YOUR deficiency.
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No it isn't, we've been over this numerous times, whats wrong with your memory, what you think of as heaven didn't exist until the Jews invented it, even then they thought the sky was made of water and the earth was surrounded by a bronze sphere. None of the Gods told anyone any different, and as most of the Gods were 100% human looking you don't have to look far for their genesis. That you are unaware of the basic facts is YOUR deficienctly willful ignorance. The art link, to the renaissance pictures has been posted numerous times as well, its again that you are lacking because you didn't bother to read it and were not intelligent enough to understand it. You don't need to be a sceptic to think this either, you just have to have studied history outside of UFO websites, you haven't bothered to do that so you are in no position to make historic claims.
King of the Americas said:
"I' don't believe in "aliens"...for the millionth time!
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again, its not my fault you don't understand the language you claim to have been bought up speaking
Alien definition said:
1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.
2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.
n.
1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.
4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.
5. Ecology An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.
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Alien etymology said:
mid-14c., "strange, foreign," from O.Fr. alien "alien, strange, foreign; an alien, stranger, foreigner," from L. alienus "of or belonging to another, foreign, alien, strange," also, as a noun, "a stranger, foreigner," adj. form of alius "(an)other" (see alias). Meaning "of another planet" first recorded 1944 in science fiction writing; the noun in this sense is from 1953. The noun sense of "foreigner" is first attested early 14c. An alien priory (c.1500) is one owing obedience to a mother abbey in a foreign country.
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you are again wasting everybodies time here, your rhetoric is dishonest and you are not, nor have ever been a member in good standing, and you are such a liar
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King of the Americas 13th February 2010 said:
I would like to offer my sincere thanks to JREF and all of those who have offered me their insights and civil discourse(s) for the past decade. This has been a home to me, the place I've come to share my thoughts and have all my queries answered, in full. So, it is with much sadness and regret that I offer you here, my final post.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5614088#post5614088
What makes you think you can, lie, misunderstand, misinterpret, fabricate evidence, deliberately troll threads, attempt to dictate terms and expect anyone to give you any respect at all. If you were on fire, you know theres something I wouldn't do. neither would anyone else.
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carlitos said:
Sitchin reports the Nibrians are from an ancient 12th planet in our solar system called Nibiru.
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Sitchin no longer reports that
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bruto said:
Unknown beings? Unpredictable outcome? Thousands of people at risk? It is only the utter silliness of the proposal that saves it from being criminally irresponsible.
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And the fact that it is a total fantasy.
 
King of the Americas said:
IF they did land, I don't think anyone could successfully predict the outcome, except to say that everything would change.
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While we may not be able to predict what would happen, I think we can pretty safely predict some things that would not happen. And one of the things that would not happen would be people saying, "Oh, look, aliens, that's nice. Now then, back to important matters like seeing which one of us can run fastest..."
 
Quinn said:
While we may not be able to predict what would happen, I think we can pretty safely predict some things that would not happen. And one of the things that would not happen would be people saying, "Oh, look, aliens, that's nice. Now then, back to important matters like seeing which one of us can run fastest..."
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Of course they wouldn't: those are [somethingorotherbutnotwhatwecallaliens]!
 
Psiload said:
And that knowledge banished the whathaveyoubutnotnotaliens from the heavens.

Wonderful. Progress.

Now you should study Geography and Oceanography and work towards kicking them out of the ocean depths and the Earth's hollow core.
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Given the amount of stars, I'm sure there's intelligent life elsewhere. The size of our galaxy however probably keeps them where they are. Aliens are likely not in our direct heavens...

I don't know anything about a hollow core, but I know that our deep oceans and their floors remain largely unexplored.
 
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dafydd said:
Not Vogon poetry! Please,not that!
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See, see the king of the americas sky
Marvel at its big olympic depths.
Tell me, aliens do you
Wonder why the humans ignores you?
Why its foobly stare
makes you feel sleepy.
I can tell you, it is
Worried by your intraterrestrials facial growth
That looks like
A cheese.
What's more, it knows
Your cult potting shed
Smells of whatevertheyarethatatern'ttobecalledaliens.
Everything under the big king of the americas sky
Asks why, why do you even bother?
You only charm his claimss.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/vogonpoetry/lettergen.shtml
:D
 
Marduk said:
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you are again wasting everybodies time here, your rhetoric is dishonest and you are not, nor have ever been a member in good standing, and you are such a liar
what happened to
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5614088#post5614088
What makes you think you can, lie, misunderstand, misinterpret, fabricate evidence, deliberately troll threads, attempt to dictate terms and expect anyone to give you any respect at all. If you were on fire, you know theres something I wouldn't do. neither would anyone else.

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Back to ignore for you, Jerk.
 
bruto said:
Unknown beings? Unpredictable outcome? Thousands of people at risk? It is only the utter silliness of the proposal that saves it from being criminally irresponsible.
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Sometimes people have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into reality...

Could Galileo have been held criminally responsible for discovering and holding as a public truth that the Earth was not the center of the Universe? Sure. Today, we are happy that he said "...it does turn.", even if he was force into a public recount.

We are not alone, soon everyone will know this, and in spite of the initial jarring, we'll all be better off having full knowledge of the truth.
 
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