Chaos Magic

[Zanders]

But that lower belief can make a big difference. Psi effects take place against an unconscious backdrop of belief/disbelief. Thats why one has to believe in it (or at least not disbelieve in it) or it won't happen. And even that is not a guarantee, because many people don't believe in it and that inhibits the strength of psi.

Add to that the recent indications that sidereal time can influence it. And magnetic fields. There could be all sorts of things that are making psi very weak these days and in certain areas.

When I said people were more superstitious, I meant stuff like thinking volcanoes and storms were Gods. People are still extremely superstitious today, and most beleive in ghosts and other such paranormal things like psychics. The skeptics are a minority.

Also, where is your proof that magnetic fields can can influence psi?

 

[Katopale]

It does. But it is a relatively new method developed by Austin Osman Spare (1886-1956). In past ages, when the environment was different and people believed different things, psychic strength could have been much, much stronger. Psi is sociological, too. It takes a village. We are living in an age where psi-inhibitive variables outweigh psi-conducive variables. The Hindu call this age the Kali Yuga, and in the Kali Yuga we are cut off from Divine power. Our spiritual powers are weak in the Kali Yuga. People are ignorant, lustful, and stressed out and Gurus are not respected. Thats the opposite of what it takes for strong psi to manifest in a culture.

You say it works after charging one sigil that you claim caused you to have a premonition of a complete stranger being dragged off a bus?

Anything else to add weight to the claim that '"it works"?

And you are ignoring the guy that built his own telescope. Where did I go wrong Limbo?

 

[Limbo]

When I said people were more superstitious, I meant stuff like thinking volcanoes and storms were Gods. People are still extremely superstitious today, and most beleive in ghosts and other such paranormal things like psychics. The skeptics are a minority.

Its about cultures projecting their collective psyche into the unknown. The unknown then takes on the patterns and features of the psyche, and our psyche is reflected back at us. Including the archetypes and the psychic ability of the psyche.

As the frontiers of the known have grown, our projections have been gradually withdrawn.

Also, where is your proof that magnetic fields can can influence psi?

Not proof, evidence. Proof is an elusive concept.

http://deanradin.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-insights-into-links-between-esp-and.html

 

[PixyMisa]

When I said people were more superstitious, I meant stuff like thinking volcanoes and storms were Gods. People are still extremely superstitious today, and most beleive in ghosts and other such paranormal things like psychics. The skeptics are a minority.

Also, where is your proof that magnetic fields can can influence psi?

Speaking of magnetic fields, the Earth kind of has a great honking big one.

 

[PixyMisa]

Not proof, evidence. Proof is an elusive concept.

http://deanradin.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-insights-into-links-between-esp-and.html

With Dean Radin, proper experimental design and statistical methods are elusive concepts. Are you sure you want to hitch your wagon to his?

 

[Limbo]

Time to break out my canned response to PixyMisa:

"No."

 

[Limbo]

You claim success after charging one sigil and claiming to have a premonition of a complete stranger being dragged off a bus?

Anything else to add weight to the claim that '"it works"?

And you are ignoring the guy that built his own telescope. Where did I go wrong Limbo?

Don't know, don't care. I'm here for Zanders not you.

 

[PixyMisa]

With Dean Radin, proper experimental design and statistical methods are elusive concepts. Are you sure you want to hitch your wagon to his?

Time to break out my canned response to PixyMisa:

"No."

Well, okay then. Good call; Radin's "research" is just a dust bowl of bad science.

So, having dropped that, do you have any evidence to support anything that you've said?

 

[Zanders]

Its about cultures projecting their collective psyche into the unknown. The unknown then takes on the patterns and features of the psyche, and our psyche is reflected back at us. Including the archetypes and the psychic ability of the psyche.

As the frontiers of the known have grown, our projections have been gradually withdrawn.

The 70s were actually an explosion of spiritual, psychic and other paranormal beleifs, and the 90s were pretty big on them as well. Heck, I can't even turn on the tv without being bombarded with such concepts.

You claim success after charging one sigil and claiming to have a premonition of a complete stranger being dragged off a bus?

Anything else to add weight to the claim that '"it works"?

And you are ignoring the guy that built his own telescope. Where did I go wrong Limbo?

It's like what I said. If it is so easy to do, more powerful and important people should be doing it, causing belief in it to grow.

Limbo, how long ago did you have your sigil magic success? Was it long enough for the rules to change and sigils to stop working?

 

[tsig]

Things aren't always as they seem. Plus, there is evidence to suggest that environmental variables and sidereal time can weaken or strengthen psi effects. Different ages could have different psi strength, and even different natural laws.




If they work, then why aren't you off making sigils and meditating? By what reckoning are you measuring time? By a generation? Or an age?

They didn't work.

 

[Katopale]

Don't know, don't care. I'm here for Zanders not you.

You made the claim that Chaos Magic works.

What are you basing this on?

 

[tsig]

It does. But it is a relatively new method developed by Austin Osman Spare (1886-1956). In past ages, when the environment was different and people believed different things, psychic strength could have been much, much stronger. Psi is sociological, too. It takes a village. We are living in an age where psi-inhibitive variables outweigh psi-conducive variables. The Hindu call this age the Kali Yuga, and in the Kali Yuga we are cut off from Divine power. Our spiritual powers are weak in the Kali Yuga. People are ignorant, lustful, and stressed out and Gurus are not respected. Thats the opposite of what it takes for strong psi to manifest in a culture.

Yeah, psi power really stopped the Black Death.

Shame we can't return to those halcyon times.

 

[Limbo]

You know, the 70s were actually an explosion of psychic and other paranormal beleifs, and the 90s were pretty big on them as well.

Yes, it comes and goes.

People seem to want to think that if psi is real its like flicking a light switch and *presto*. Its not that easy and there are variables we are only beginning to become aware of. These variables can cause a psychic person to fail at psi. When that happens its very tempting for that person to think psi is bunk.

Limbo, how long ago did you have your sigil magic success? Was it long enough for the rules to change and sigils to stop working?

It was several years ago, and I thought I explained to you that the rules don't change that quickly.

*sigh*

I think I am just confusing you. Maybe I should just leave you be.

 

[tsig]

Its about cultures projecting their collective psyche into the unknown. The unknown then takes on the patterns and features of the psyche, and our psyche is reflected back at us. Including the archetypes and the psychic ability of the psyche.

As the frontiers of the known have grown, our projections have been gradually withdrawn.



Not proof, evidence. Proof is an elusive concept.

http://deanradin.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-insights-into-links-between-esp-and.html

That sounds a lot like ignorance giving way to knowledge.

 

[tsig]

Don't know, don't care. I'm here for Zanders not you.

You perceive Zanders as more credulous that the rest of us?

 

[Zanders]

Yes, it comes and goes.

People seem to want to think that if psi is real its like flicking a light switch and *presto*. Its not that easy and there are variables we are only beginning to become aware of. These variables can cause a psychic person to fail at psi. When that happens its very tempting for that person to think psi is bunk.




It was several years ago, and I thought I explained to you that the rules don't change that quickly.

*sigh*

I think I am just confusing you.

Sorry about that. I was just wondering why more people aren't using it if it works so well. Most kids would be thrilled to attempt some chaos magic, and many people do beleive in the paranormal.

 

[PixyMisa]

Yes, it comes and goes.

People seem to want to think that if psi is real its like flicking a light switch and *presto*. Its not that easy and there are variables we are only beginning to become aware of. These variables can cause a psychic person to fail at psi. When that happens its very tempting for that person to think psi is bunk.

So what you're saying is that it doesn't work, and this leads people to conclude that it doesn't work?

Well... Yeah.

 

[PixyMisa]

Sorry about that. I was just wondering why more people aren't using it if it works so well. Most kids would be thrilled to attempt some chaos magic, and many people do beleive in the paranormal.

Exactly. There's hardly a shortage of believers in the supernatural, and many of them would be happy to try whatever it is Limbo is suggesting.

And yet, the evidence meter is stuck at zero.

How can this be?

 

[Katopale]

Sorry about that. I was just wondering why more people aren't using it if it works so well. Most kids would be thrilled to attempt some chaos magic, and many people do beleive in the paranormal.

I'm wondering, if it works so well, why Limbo hasn't used it more than once himself.

 

[tsig]

I'm wondering, if it works so well, why Limbo hasn't used it more than once himself.

Why doesn't he use it on us?