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You are being unfair to me. Here in this thread I presented an eyewitness from Birkenau, who effectively destroys his own case. Who needs Zundel if we have mr Gross!

Obviously my opponents are completely uninterested in responding to this post and prefer to ramble on off-topic about who is really in charge in the US, the president or a Supreme Court judge.

It is very telling that my opponents do not engage in a debate on this topic!
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No, you presented an unsourced youtube video, supposedly of a single person whom you ridiculed based on personal incredulity.

And it's funny that it is *you* who first presented the arguments about about who is in charge of the US, and casting aspersions on that judge, but now they are "off topic."

If you want debate, here's your debate, offering exactly same level of actual evidence you've provided: No, he didn't say any of those things.

Shall we get back to the fate of the Hungarian Jews -- you've refused to debate that at all, which is "very telling."

Then we can talk about all the other evidence you've been running from, also very telling....

And you bring up Zundel: did he ever get around to actually mounting his "expedition" to the Antarctic to explore the secret Nazi UFO base there, for which he took donations?

And how about the *two* trials in Canada, after which he was forced to plead that it *wasn't* against the law to lie (since he could not convince *two* different juries of his peer that he actually *believed* his crap) in order to avoid the jail time he so richly deserved?

Or how about his vow never to return to a country which "persecuted" him, only to return and try to claim asylum in that very same country, when he could simply have re-assumed his "Landed Immigrant" status and not ended up getting himself deported to his country of origin, whose laws he knowingly and repeated violated?

And then there's this whole matter of race (which you claim as justification for the Holocaust) that you're running from: Was Sammy Davis Jr. the same race as Nicolas Sarkozy? How about Yaphet Kotto? Esti Mamo? You need to define your terms.
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No, you presented an unsourced youtube video, supposedly of a single person whom you ridiculed based on personal incredulity.

You obviously did not pay attention while watching (did you?) this video. It was organized by the Danish newspaper "Nyhedsavisen" with the purpose of making a fool of the Danish neonazi. The newspaper utterly failed in their purpose.

Shall we get back to the fate of the Hungarian Jews -- you've refused to debate that at all, which is "very telling."

Show me where I 'refused' to discuss the Hungarian Jews. :confused:

Here are examples of posts where I did discuss the Hungarian Jews:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5253609&postcount=2232
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5747500&postcount=3487
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6022393&postcount=4153
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6023794&postcount=4171
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6720765&postcount=4833

To sum it up again:

Under the date of August 22, 1944, Danuta Czech's Kalendarium reports that on that day there were 30,000 unregistered Hungarian Jews in the Birkenau "transit camp."[note 37] All this is irrefutable evidence that many Birkenau Jews were neither registered nor gassed, but instead were simply transferred elsewhere...

All these figures are fundamentally impossible because cremating such masses of corpses in the purported eight-week time period was technically not feasible. Not even in the Third Reich were the laws of nature suspended. During the period of the deportation of Hungarian Jews to Birkenau, May-July 1944, four crematory facilities with a total of 46 muffles were in operation there. As Carlo Mattogno has established, the theoretical maximum capacity of the Birkenau crematories was 1,248 corpses per day.[note 43] For the entire 55-day period when Hungarian Jews were arriving at the camp (May 15 through July 9, 1944), the maximum theoretical cremation capacity would therefore have been about 68,640 bodies. In reality, even this figure is excessive.

In summary: these Hungarian Jews were used as labor force, some remained at Birkenau (the registered ones), the rest was available for work outside the camp.

And then there's this whole matter of race (which you claim as justification for the Holocaust) that you're running from: Was Sammy Davis Jr. the same race as Nicolas Sarkozy? How about Yaphet Kotto? Esti Mamo? You need to define your terms.
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We are not going to discuss Sammy Davis Jr. here.
 
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You obviously did not pay attention while watching (did you?) this video. It was organized by the Danish newspaper "Nyhedsavisen" with the purpose of making a fool of the Danish neonazi. The newspaper utterly failed in their purpose.



Show me where I 'refused' to discuss the Hungarian Jews. :confused:

Here are examples of posts where I did discuss the Hungarian Jews:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5253609&postcount=2232
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5747500&postcount=3487
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6022393&postcount=4153
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6023794&postcount=4171
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6720765&postcount=4833

To sum it up again:



In summary: these Hungarian Jews were used as labor force, some remained at Birkenau (the registered ones), the rest was available for work outside the camp.



We are not going to discuss Sammy Davis Jr. here.

When are you going to get started? What does that paperhanger with the spittoon haircut have on you? Instead of posting here shouldn't you be designing uniforms with a fetishistic homoerotic theme? Get on it man!
 
You obviously did not pay attention while watching (did you?) this video. It was organized by the Danish newspaper "Nyhedsavisen" with the purpose of making a fool of the Danish neonazi. The newspaper utterly failed in their purpose.
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Ah, great -- then you'll have no problems quote Nyhedsavisen directly on the matter, rather than pointing to an, at best, secondhand account of what their intention was and what the outcome was.


No?



Is this perhaps because *you* haven't bothered to research primary sources *again*?


Don't these own goals get tiring for you?
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Show me where I 'refused' to discuss the Hungarian Jews. :confused:
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Neither of these links is *you* discussing anything, so if you think there is anything of value in them, quote the parts you feel support your crap, and then we can discuss.
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Here are examples of posts where I did discuss the Hungarian Jews:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5253609&postcount=2232
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No discussion there, just bald assertion that the people who can be documented as having been shipped to the A-B, with no documentation of their having gone anywhere else, could not possibly have have been killed there. No reason given for this claim, let alone any evidence.
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No discussion there, either, again, bald assertion, argument from incredulity and demonstration of your ignorance that bodies were not cremated one at at a time. I can't be arsed to look right now, but all of this was pointed out to you at the time, and you ran.
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Taking Graf at his word (something I'm only willing to for the sake of argument,) you still have ~397,000 Jews to account for. Better get started.
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More bald assertion, with absolutely nothing to back it up but personal incredulity.
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And again, bald assertion, with not even an attempt to show the math.

Perhaps we have a disconnect due language problems so you don't understand what the concept of "discussion" is in the context of JREF? Simply responding with more lies *isn't* discussion...
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To sum it up again:
In summary: these Hungarian Jews were used as labor force, some remained at Birkenau (the registered ones), the rest was available for work outside the camp.
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Great! Now, all you have to is find a real historian who agrees that *anyone* actually housed in A-B was not registered, and we may have a basis for further debate. Oh, and please remind me again: what training has ol' Jürgen had in the field of history, and what original research has he done to reach this conclusion?




I'm sorry, what was that?








None and none?





So all *he* gots is bald assertion, too. How ... unsurprizing
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We are not going to discuss Sammy Davis Jr. here.
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Why not? It was *you* who brought up "Jews as a race" with certain "racial" characteristics which justified their persecution. And one notes that you ran for the other examples given.


Such a brave, brave warrior for your cause you are...
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Ah, great -- then you'll have no problems quote Nyhedsavisen directly on the matter, rather than pointing to an, at best, secondhand account of what their intention was and what the outcome was.

The video was made by the newspaper, I doubt they followed up on their little project of 'exposing neo-nazi lunacy' by writing about it in their newspaper since it turned into a PR-meltdown for the poor lefty Danes. But TSR is trying to obfuscate because you see, this newspaper angle is completely irrelevant. Do you deny that mr. Gross was once interned in Birkenau? Of course not, he said so himself! Does not make that an anti-semite of you? Oh, wait, you have not yet revealed your own identity to us (TSR: 'not relevant'). And if you refrain from attempts to deny that he was in Birkenau, would you not agree that he is making a fool of himself with his incoherent statements?

No?

Is this perhaps because *you* haven't bothered to research primary sources *again*?

Define 'primary source'. There is nothing more 'primary' than the video. That is all there is and need to see through the entire scam. By pressing with his questions the Danish youngster makes mr Gross admit that he has everything out of third hand. He saw nothing himself. Well, he was in a gaschamber, but he... 'delayed'. Priceless. What really happened is that mr Gross got his 'extermination wisdom' from Nuremberg and subsequent media and movie exposure. And mr Gross thought, 'my God, poor little me was their as well... I am an heroic survivor!'. Mr Gross has no incentive of doubting the story and he interprets his personal experiences into the big story as handed over to him by the outside world.

Don't these own goals get tiring for you?

Not at all. My goals make me feel a little bit like a grey-haired male version of Jeanne d'Arc defending Europe against oversees predators. And what a story it is! The roles are now entirely reversed. Evil USSR and USA, both tools of Jewish globalist policies, conspiring to destroy mother Europe. USSR dead, only the US remains with a rule morally based on a completely flawed interpretation of history. Fortunately we have nein-11 on his white horse rescuing Europe in the last moment. You really think I am getting tired of that role?

No discussion there, just bald assertion that the people who can be documented as having been shipped to the A-B, with no documentation of their having gone anywhere else, could not possibly have have been killed there. No reason given for this claim, let alone any evidence.

In Auschwitz there were between 30-46 ovens. How on earth can you 'process' 397,000 people in merely 6 weeks with that sort of capacity. Please give us a calculation showing us that it is possible in the first place.

More on the Hungarian Jews from page 185 onwards.
 
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The video was made by the newspaper,
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No, the video is claimed by some random, anonymous entity on youtube to have been made by the newspaper.

Got any *proof* that this claim is correct?
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I doubt they followed up on their little project of 'exposing neo-nazi lunacy' by writing about it in their newspaper since it turned into a PR-meltdown for the poor lefty Danes. But TSR is trying to obfuscate because you see, this newspaper angle is completely irrelevant. Do you deny that mr. Gross was once interned in Birkenau? Of course not, he said so himself! Does not make that an anti-semite of you? Oh, wait, you have not yet revealed your own identity to us (TSR: 'not relevant'). And if you refrain from attempts to deny that he was in Birkenau, would you not agree that he is making a fool of himself with his incoherent statements?

No?
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Got any proof that the person in the video is *actually* Zygmunt Gross?


No?
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Define 'primary source'.
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Ah, here's the problem -- you're not only ignorant of the history you're trying to deny, you're even ignorant of the method used to derive that history.


Let me try to use simple words for you: you have made a claim that a newspaper has said a certain thing. Since a newspaper is a document that would make a direct reference to that particular issue a primary source.

Instead you offer what someone else *says* the newspaper said. That makes them a secondary source, and given the nature of youtube and the fact that that someone is anonymous and does not themselves offer a proper citation to the primary (nor even enough information for the issue in question to be easily researched) makes their completely unsupported assertion suspect.

Your assertion that the newspaper said this, based as it is on a suspect secondary source is a tertiary source, and based on the iffy nature of the secondary source, and lack of any effort on your part to find the primary added to your demonstrable dishonesty leads me to believe that this video is staged by an actor sympathetic to your ideology.

Go ahead, prove me wrong -- find the *original* (primary) source for this video.
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There is nothing more 'primary' than the video.
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Yes, there *is* nothing more.

Nothing more than anonymous claims that cannot be backed up by anything more than "it's on the innertubes, it *must* be right."
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Fortunately we have nein-11 on his white horse rescuing Europe in the last moment. You really think I am getting tired of that role?
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Arrogant much? What are you actually *doing*, other than a blog with most of the hits being your own, and posting lies and ignorance on a couple of obscure forums?

That you ignore those lies and that ignorance when they are pointed out on a forum that does *not* censor dissent doesn't mean that anyone else does.
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In Auschwitz there were between 30-46 ovens. How on earth can you 'process' 397,000 people in merely 6 weeks with that sort of capacity. Please give us a calculation showing us that it is possible in the first place.
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http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/ , starting about a third of the way down for the math, although the entire article would be worth a read were one one not desperate to deny history.
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More on the Hungarian Jews from page 185 onwards.
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Butz? Seriously?

Remind me again: what particular training or expertise did he have in the field of history?

What original research did he on the matter and where?

Oh, wait, he *does* cite Höss, who says " We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone in the summer of 1944."

Oh, and the ICRC, who say "Under National Socialism the Jews had become in truth outcasts, condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution and systematic extermination."

Butz's rebuttal? To baldly assert that these were "(ambiguous and/or very general) remarks" or that "the remarks are there for political-public relations reasons," neither of which are supportable on the facts of the matter.



Yet another epic fail for niney...
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No, the video is claimed by some random, anonymous entity on youtube to have been made by the newspaper.

Got any *proof* that this claim is correct?
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Got any proof that the person in the video is *actually* Zygmunt Gross?

Oh Christ! What do you suggest as a counter hypothesis? That he is in reality the grand father of the Danish Neonazi having fun while faking this testimony? Come on! He is supposed to have written a book titled "I cannot forget", hence the ironeous video title "I cannot remember". It is quit telling that TSR in silence agrees that this video is rather damning for TSR's extermination case. So he sees no other way out than casting doubt on the video. Will convince nobody.


Let me try to use simple words for you: you have made a claim that a newspaper has said a certain thing. Since a newspaper is a document that would make a direct reference to that particular issue a primary source.

No I did not. I took the name from the newspaper from the video and checked that the newspaper exists. That is all.


Oh, wait, he *does* cite Höss, who says " We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone in the summer of 1944."

I thought he signed a document in english. But now that we know from an american investigation commission headed by judge van Roden, reporting that nearly all German witnesses were tortured by 'kicking testicles beyond repair', unfortunately we cannot take this evidence serious anymore. In fact, we can safely assume that these methods were used to frame the Germans. Americans do have a habbit of this kind of behavior. KSM/waterboarding comes to mind. And this Abu Graibh prison torture.

Oh, and the ICRC, who say "Under National Socialism the Jews had become in truth outcasts, condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution and systematic extermination."

Nobody denies that, we do not need the ICRC for that. But they also reported that they never witnessed anything like an extermination program going on in the camps. The fact that the ICRC had access in the first place speaks volumes. In contrast they never got access to the Gulag camps. Why do you think that is. Well?
 
Discovered tonight a very recent development in revisionist hypothesizing about the Auschwitz crematoria... it was a bakery really!

I am not taking positions in this matter. Yet.

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Some blog

Does anybody know where the daily bread was baked for ten's of thousands of prisoners in Auschwitz? Why not let the prisoners do it themselves? So where are the ovens?

The World Socialist web site was so kind to save this testimony from 1965 Frankfurt Auschwitz trial for future reference:

Judge: Did you see anything of the camp?

2nd witness: Nothing
I was just glad to get out of there

Judge: Did you see the chimneys
At the end of the platform
Or the smoke and glare?

2nd witness: Yes
I saw the smoke

Judge: And what did you think?

2nd witness: I thought those must be the bakeries
I had heard They baked bread in there day and night
After all it was a big camp

This can't be true, right? Tell me this is not true! :D
 
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Can somebody help me identify the source of this drawing?

If that from Olere's collection?

The caption of the first picture says:

I came to one of the four crema buildings. It looked so like a big bakery...


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chasing-Shadows-Naomi-Gryn/dp/0140286616
There are moments of dark humour, such as the new arrivals at Auschwitz (including the Gryns) laughing at the "lunatics" they find with shaven heads and grotesquely mismatched clothes, only to realise that these broken people had arrived only a week earlier. And in a moment that chills the reader's blood, who guesses what the unwitting Gryn doesn't, he walks into an extermination chamber building thinking it's a bakery and only survives a mass gassing because a guard points out that he is too old for a "shower".


http://www3.sympatico.ca/mighty1/essays/canada2.htm
Peter Hellman, author of the text that accompanies The Auschwitz Album, notes that "those [new arrivals] who asked for information about the flames and smoke often seen belching from the chimneys in the background were told [by 'Canadians'] that this was a bakery or factory"(1981.14).


http://isurvived.org/Survivors_Folder/Weissova_Helga-artworkExp.html
"There were miles of electrified barbed wire. I saw a chimney and asked a Nazi guard why there was so much smoke. He told me it was the bakery,"he said.


http://faculty.virginia.edu/wwii/hilberg.pp618-629.destruction-of-the-european-jews.pdf
page 9 pdf: Most of the birkenau arrivals saw great flames belching from the chimneys and smelt the strange sickening odour of the bakery (crematoriums)


http://www.theverylongview.com/WATH/testimonies/sidonia.htm
"In the summer of 1944 huge transports, with 15,000 - 20,000 people, mainly from Hungary, started to arrive three to four times a day. Over 90% of them were destined in advance to serve as "fuel". The numbers were so great and the camp authority was not able to provide a sufficient number of cars to transfer all the people who were brought to the camp, so the train tracks were extended right up to the crematorium itself. The people would get off the train, approximately 200 meters from the location of their murder (which was close to the gate, through which we marched to work every morning), and they would walk five in a row, carrying their bundles, holding their children's hands, carrying babies in their arms, and even pushing baby carriages. Quietly they advanced to their destination, not guessing what was waiting for them there.

And if a few of them asked the SS guards who accompanied them, what the big flame was that they saw from several kilometers away, the answer that they received was that the flame was coming out of the big camp bakery- it was accepted and calmed their worries."

(Testimony of Sidonia Mandal)


http://www.theboot.it/sedici_ottobre.html
THE GROUP OF 850 Roman Jews who were transported by truck went to Birkenau, too. They entered through a muddy roadway, which crossed then paralleled a railroad siding that penetrated the camp and went directly to the doors of two brand new white buildings. These facilities, which had been completed only a few months earlier, were designated K-II and K-III. The latter was on the right side of the tracks and the former to the left of the road. They were described as bathhouses. The inmates called them bakeries. In fact, they were Birkenau's newest gas chambers and crematoriums.


http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/PWEDoc180545.html
This is from a 'A May 1945 Report by U.S. Psychological Warfare on the Auschwitz Camp, on the basis of prisoners and other Intelligence'
12. The camp had a large gas chamber (capacity 200 people) and 4 crematoria. Aside from the previously mentioned system of selection for death after arrival at the station, there were a number of others. Even before the rider-pedestrian division, camp officials would stand at the RR station and, by simply pointing a finger, select for immediate liquidation all those whose looks they did not like. The selectees were put on trucks and driven to the crematoria which, they were told, were bakeries.


http://www.snn-rdr.ca/snn/112001/philipriteman.html
During his time at Auschwitz, Riteman was made to walk "like soldiers" for hours a day, as well as hard physical labour in the surrounding fields. Riteman says there were 20 000 people executed per day at Auschwitz. When he arrived there were 2 crematoriums, and when he left, there were four. "We built the other two ourselves. They told us they were bakeries for us. And we believed them."


http://romove.radio.cz/en/article/20088
Antonin Hlavacek was still a young boy when he was sent from Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia to Auschwitz in March 1943. Sixty years later, he still has vivid memories of the year he spent at the death camp:

"The transports would come in at around 10 p.m. when it was dark. We weren't allowed to go outside but heard it all. They'd pull everyone out of the train, pile up their clothes and belongings on the floor and send most of them straight to the showers. But instead of water, it was gas that came out of the pipes. There was also a group of prisoners, selected every three months, that was given more food and made to work in what we thought was a bakery. Only much later did we realise it was a crematorium, where they burned people. The toilet was far away at the end of one of the blocks. It was just one big hole with a piece of wood over it and in order to get to it, we had to move aside dead bodies because they were only taken away every three days."
 
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What do you suggest as a counter hypothesis?
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Did you not read the post to which you are supposedly responding? This person was not Zygmunt Gross, but instead an actor sympathetic to your hatred, hired to impersonate Zygmunt Gross.

Ball's in your court -- find the primary source and prove me wrong.
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It is quit telling that TSR in silence agrees that this video is rather damning for TSR's extermination case. So he sees no other way out than casting doubt on the video. Will convince nobody.
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And "Schindler's List" is quite damning to yours. Of course, while being a fictional depiction, it is actually based on fact, which trumps your anonymous someone on youtube.

The ball is still in your court.
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No I did not. I took the name from the newspaper from the video and checked that the newspaper exists. That is all.
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But it doesn't. It ceased publication in 2008. And if you were not claiming that the story in question was actually produced by the newspaper, why didn't you actually *say* that?
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I thought he signed a document in english.
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... which he had written in English, after teaching himself the language in jail
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But now that we know from an american investigation commission headed by judge van Roden, reporting that nearly all German witnesses were tortured by 'kicking testicles beyond repair', unfortunately we cannot take this evidence serious anymore.
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Yes, the "evidence" that Van Roden had used was shown by later investigations to be unreliable, so is not taken seriously.
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In fact, we can safely assume that these methods were used to frame the Germans. Americans do have a habbit of this kind of behavior. KSM/waterboarding comes to mind. And this Abu Graibh prison torture.
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No, there is *not* such a "habbit" <sic> There are isolated instances. Shall we get into a discussion of *Nazi* torture, authorized at the highest levels (since you're such a big fan of moral equivalency?)
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Nobody denies that, we do not need the ICRC for that. But they also reported that they never witnessed anything like an extermination program going on in the camps. The fact that the ICRC had access in the first place speaks volumes. In contrast they never got access to the Gulag camps. Why do you think that is. Well?

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Access to ***limited portions*** of ***some*** camps.

And again "tu quoque" is a tactic admission of defeat.

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Unless of course we got the 'knowledge' about the bad deeds of the Nazies via the bad Soviets in the first place.

Can you spell:

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Unless of course we got the 'knowledge' about the bad deeds of the Nazies via the bad Soviets in the first place.

Can you spell:

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Sure. Can *you* spell
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*Do* feel to cite a *single* defendant, who was incorrectly convicted solely on the basis of Soviet evidence.

Or run from the question, as you have done every other time I'm asked it.
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We have already seen that the Americans tried to sell the delousing gaschamber in Dachau as a homicidal gaschamber.

They very likely did the same in the other camps.

I am puzzled by this testimony from the 'holocaust survivor' Riteman:

http://www.snn-rdr.ca/snn/112001/philipriteman.html
When he arrived there were 2 crematoriums, and when he left, there were four. "We built the other two ourselves. They told us they were bakeries for us. And we believed them."

Riteman is saying that when he was constructing these Kremas he thought he was building a bakery.

This is not hearsay, this is testimony from somebody who actually constructed these Kremas!!

P.S. Looks like Riteman made a career out of his 'survivorship'.

Vice-Chancellor, your honour, graduates, ladies and gentlemen. I am deeply honoured that you give me this honour. I want to thank you very much. I spent two years in Auschwitz and two years in Dachau. I seen what no man should ever seen – no another human being. I speak in schools and universities. I speak for millions and millions who cannot speak. I would like to speak to you for a couple of hours, but I can't.

Next in his speech the bakery-oven-builder-turned-holo-honorary-doctor-of-laws says nothing about what he has seen what nobody should have seen. One big self-serving suggestion show, eagerly swallowed by all these Anglos, patting themselves on the back for succesfully 'combatting evil' (in reality they did nothing more than making the world safe for Bolshevism).
 
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"Nazi Murder Mills", made as early as April 1945 by the Jew Billy Wilder; no surprises here. Jews and mass media control... sigh.

Propaganda of the crudest sort. The Anglos show pictures that prove merely that war sucks and interprete them in a homicidal scheme. The circumstances were largely intentionally created by the Anglos themselves and their bombing campaign, who saw an opportunity to carve up Europe as war loot between them and the Soviets.

Molotov is presented with fanfare while it was him and Stalin who insisted on dividing Poland, where Hitler had merely opted for a non-agression agreement to take the corridor back when diplomatic means had failed.

And now everything comes out in the open. Now that the USSR is on the scrap heap of history (and America soon) we in Europe no longer have any interest in taking all this alllied BS at face value. We are going to use the internet for finding out the historic truth as a public sort of open source project, ignoring court historians. And now that the contours of the historic truth are becoming clearer by the day, we are going to build a new Euro-centric policy on this new found insights.
 
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Yes, the "evidence" that Van Roden had used was shown by later investigations to be unreliable, so is not taken seriously.

TSR, we all are extremely interested in sources/link that 'show that van Roden was talking BS'.

Why should van Roden do such a thing?

To refresh memory, van Roden headed a commission of 3 that should investigate the treatment of German prisoners during the Nuremberg show trials. He concluded that 'nearly all German defendants had been tortured and their testicles kicked beyond repair' (wording by van Roden).

TSR understands very well that all credibility of the Nuremberg show trials vanishes with this kind of statements, so he attempts a vague discrediting of van Roden. We, who are interested in finding out the historic truth, will not let get TSR away so easy with this, so we are going to insist on him backing up his wild statements.

We have learned from credible Anglo sources that 70% of the Nuremberg personel was jewish.
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Bakeries? Really?
I look forward to seeing the pictures of freshly baked bread and muffins at Auschwitz, fresh from the ovens.
Photoshopping the bodies out of it may be a problem though...
And this-
"great flames belching from the chimneys and smelt the strange sickening odour of the bakery (crematoriums) "
I've worked near to a bakery, the smell is delightfully enticing, not sickening. As for the flames belching forth:jaw-dropp
 
What happened to the Jews?

Interesting testimony by Jews... they were evacuated as far as Kirgyzistan.

We have lived here since 1946. I liked Uzhgorod immediately and felt at home here. It's a beautiful and cozy town. Before the war the borderline of the town was the Uzh River. After the war the town expanded and now the Uzh River divides it into two parts: the old town and the new town....
There were many Jews in Uzhgorod after the war....
. They were the local population and some came from the USSR – they were called ‘Eastern people'. The older generations were religious and observed all Jewish traditions. There was a synagogue and a Jewish school in town. We grew up during the Soviet regime and seeing people going to the synagogue on Saturdays and Jewish holidays was new to us. However, men didn't have payes and men and women were casually dressed. The prevailing language spoken in the streets was Hungarian. In addition to Jews there were Ukrainians, Hungarians and Czechs in Uzhgorod. People of various nationalities came from the USSR to live in the town. Even after the war there was no anti-Semitism among the local population. Anti-Semitism was brought to the area by residents of the USSR.
 
Bakeries? Really?
I look forward to seeing the pictures of freshly baked bread and muffins at Auschwitz, fresh from the ovens.
Photoshopping the bodies out of it may be a problem though...
And this-
"great flames belching from the chimneys and smelt the strange sickening odour of the bakery (crematoriums) "
I've worked near to a bakery, the smell is delightfully enticing, not sickening. As for the flames belching forth:jaw-dropp

You are aware that human bodies, (unlike bread?), consists of 80% water?! These belching flames match the bakery story better than the Krema story.

Whether SanityGap likes it or not, we have proven beyond doubt that the Kremas in Birkenau were seen as bakeries. Even the builder thought it was a bakery. If they were is a different matter altogether.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/dentist/chapter-07.html
Organizing was the term we used for the simple thefts that kept us alive. To go on, we had to find ways to supplement our meager rations. That involved danger. It meant testing how far we could venture. On weekdays my group looked forward to the fresh bread we got from the bakery.

Not sure if this is Stammlager or Birkenau.
 
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