Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
No -- He has given enough evidence so I could leave 2300 posts but I still need faith, just not blind faith. But atheists need faith too, and Geisler (and myself) believes they actually need more faith (Thus the title of his book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist").
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1. He's given evidence has He? Present some then.
2. No - I don't need faith not to believe in something, see everyone's posts above mine.
3. The bait and switch still stands. The title says 'evidence'. Do not insist that there's evidence and then, after 2300 posts, then say but god doesn't want us to have any....
4. I've prayed to your god any number of times that you would understand the fallacy of quoting your # of posts as if it was evidence of anything. Since he has not answered my prayers, I now hate him. Now if there was only a thread about this.....
 
aries said:
About half of the world's Christians are catholics; the other half are protestants, orthodox (like in greek or russian orthodox), evangelicals, church of england (anglo-saxon). And even among the protestants, they're split into methodist, quakers, lutherans, calvinists etc.

As for the bible writers telling the truth. Yes, they did just that - according to their own nneds and to whom, e.g. what target group, for which they were writing. The Gospel according to Mark, we know now to have been written about 50 A.C. It is possible and likely that Mark actually lived at the same time as Jesus (Joshua) - and wrote his account on what happened, especially since the original ending didn't tell anything about the resurrection. This part were added later...
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Most scholars disagree with that dating. Paul's writing may be from the 50s. Mark is probably 65-70CE. No gospeler was a witness to any Jesus of history, including Paul.
 
DOC said:
No -- He has given enough evidence so I could leave 2300 posts but I still need faith, just not blind faith. But atheists need faith too, and Geisler (and myself) believes they actually need more faith (Thus the title of his book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist").
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You have written 2300 posts (I assume, but have not counted). This does not mean that all, one or some of them contained evidence. In point of fact you have not presented any evidence whatsoever.
 
kmortis said:
Guys, guys, guys...it's really simple. It takes a quanta of faith to not believe in a deity. That means that animists have the least faith, pagans have a little more, certain sects of Hindus have a little more, momotheists have a lot more and, since atheists don't even believe in one deity then we must have the most. Simple math, really.

***WARNING: parts of this post may contain humor***
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Could you hilite them?:)
 
amb said:
I don't care if you had 10.000 posts. You still have not furnished any evidence that the gospelers wrote the truth!
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So where is the historical figure Jesus' body, and you might read post 13104 if you want more evidence.
 
dafydd said:
The book must be bollocks. I am an atheist and I have no faith.
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Do you believe life came from non-living material over time through unintelligent random forces? If you do then you have faith because it has never been proven.
 
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DOC said:
Do you believe life came from non-living material over time through unintelligent random forces? If you do then you have faith because it has never been proven.
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The is the Evidence For Why We Know The New Testament Authors Told The Truth thread.

Got any?
 
DOC said:
Do you believe life came from non-living material over time through unintelligent random forces? If you do then you have faith because it has never been proven.
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Sigh....

1. Nice to see you have abandoned asking for proof of abiogenesis. i presume it is because I pointed out that you already believe in it and it is an indisputable fact.

2. Your inclusion of "random" is misleading at best.

3. The evidence for non-deific abiogenesis is far more abundant and valid than the evidence for deific abiogenesis.

4. It has been demonstrated in the lab that ribonucleotides could form from non-living materials in conditions equivalent to the metaphorical primordial ooze.

ETA: What John Jones said. My apologies for allowing DOC to derail again.
 
John Jones said:
Where is Jimmy Hoffa's body?
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Jimmy Hoffa wasn't killed in public and have a government guard put at his tomb. He also never appeared to at least 20 people after his supposed death, and then have people who knew him personally risk their lives on the claim he rose from the dead.
 
Garrette said:
My apologies for allowing DOC to derail again.
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It's not a derail if he says he has no faith, and I have shown he must have faith to believe something as fact that has never been proved.
 
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DOC said:
Do you believe life came from non-living material over time through unintelligent random forces? If you do then you have faith because it has never been proven.
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Neither has the existence of any gods. And to answer your question of where was the body of the christ. He never existed. You can't have what doesn't exist.
 
DOC said:
Jimmy Hoffa wasn't killed in public and have a government guard put at his tomb. He also never appeared to at least 20 people after his supposed death, and then have people who knew him personally risk their lives on the claim he rose from the dead.
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As amb has said in a different fashion: Neither did Jesus.

Unless, of course, you can present that evidence you've been promising.
 
DOC said:
Most Historians would disagree with you.
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No, they would not. Unless you are conflating a consensus that a historical person with no supernatural accomplishments existed and the stories were built around him with the existence of an actual god-on-earth.
 
DOC said:
It's not a derail if he says he has no faith, and I have shown he must have faith to believe something as fact that has never been proved.
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1. It's a derail because you started it on that road.

2. No, you did not show that.

3. No, you did not even show that he believes something that hasn't been proven.

4. If it isn't a derail then you can, of course, address my comments about your abiogenesis post.
 
DOC said:
Jimmy Hoffa wasn't killed in public and have a government guard put at his tomb. He also never appeared to at least 20 people after his supposed death, and then have people who knew him personally risk their lives on the claim he rose from the dead.
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And your evidence that the accounts in the New Testament are accurate is?
 
amb said:
...And to answer your question of where was the body of the christ. He never existed. You can't have what doesn't exist...
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Then you would disagree with Richard Dawkins who believes Jesus probably existed?
 
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