John Jones
Penultimate Amazing
Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.
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Akhenaten
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Pretty sad, isn't it? Floggin' the same dead horse for 2½ years and 2,300 posts and now tries to change to a new one, midstream.
I'm starting to think we''ll never find out what happened to poor old Simon.
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amb
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Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code also sold millions of copies. The tales within must be true as well!
No -- He has given enough evidence so I could leave 2300 posts but I still need faith, just not blind faith. But atheists need faith too, and Geisler (and myself) believes they actually need more faith (Thus the title of his book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist").
John Jones
Penultimate Amazing
About half of the world's Christians are catholics; the other half are protestants, orthodox (like in greek or russian orthodox), evangelicals, church of england (anglo-saxon). And even among the protestants, they're split into methodist, quakers, lutherans, calvinists etc.
As for the bible writers telling the truth. Yes, they did just that - according to their own nneds and to whom, e.g. what target group, for which they were writing. The Gospel according to Mark, we know now to have been written about 50 A.C. It is possible and likely that Mark actually lived at the same time as Jesus (Joshua) - and wrote his account on what happened, especially since the original ending didn't tell anything about the resurrection. This part were added later...
As for the bible writers telling the truth. Yes, they did just that - according to their own nneds and to whom, e.g. what target group, for which they were writing. The Gospel according to Mark, we know now to have been written about 50 A.C. It is possible and likely that Mark actually lived at the same time as Jesus (Joshua) - and wrote his account on what happened, especially since the original ending didn't tell anything about the resurrection. This part were added later...
Akhenaten
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Well???
DOC, that fool Geisler has been discredited every time you've mentioned him and that moronic book, and this is exactly what I meant above when I described your posts as an indictment. Regurgitating the same nonsense over and over despite its having been refuted is apallingly dishonest and a tragically inept way to try and make your case.
As to the matter of atheists needing faith - would you care to explain how much faith you reckon it takes to not believe in something for which there's no evidence?
Do you think, for instance, that it's a matter of faith for me to lack belief that there's an invisible pink dragon living in my garage?
joobz
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Actually, you have been blind.
You've been blind to the continued demonstration that none of your supposed evidence is actually evidence. They are simply non sequitors and logical fallacies.
If that is the best you have, I wouldn't be bragging about your post counts.
DOC, according to christian doctrines, faith is supposed to be a good thing. It can move mountains and so forth, right?
Yet, here you (and Geisler) are attempting to claim that Atheists have more Faith then Christians.
I think this argument exposes a cold fact. You (and Geisler) both recognize that Faith isn't much. That faith is not as useful as sound reason, evidence and logic. Otherwise, why attempt to belittle others by claiming the have it?
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
No, in reality Highlander (the first) was a biography of Simon the Zealot. All the saint of christianity gotta cut each other heads, until the last one is left. Then he is coroned the anti christ. Or the new Jesus. I can't seem to get my mythology straight, but neither is your average christian so i think it is OK.
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
Continuous assertion of your opinion or geisler's don't make them anymore true than the first time you stated them. You know there are insane people which keep repeating over and over they are Jesus or bonaparte or whatever. With your method of assertion, they proved they were whatever they pretended long ago.
And the fact that you intentionally ignored *ALL* good and logical argument against your reasoning , shows that indeed what you have is *blind* faith.
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
Apparently a lot. DOC is desperatly trying not to believe in Krishna and Vishnou.
Come on ! Let us help him fighting against hinduism conversion ! Otherwise the poorguy will have to throw all his christian memorabelia and start buying Ganesha figurine.
And then in a few month we'll have a thread on how the "writer of the Veda told the truth" , and DOC desperatly trying to not believe in his next faith.
Hokulele
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Welcome to this madhouse of a thread, aries!
I would be a little careful about claims regarding the dating of the Gospel according to Mark, especially if that is being used as evidence that this makes the account more likely to be accurate. As you noted, most scholars agree that the ending used in most translations of the Bible was clearly added after the fact. Who is to say what other portions are later amendments as well?
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First off, Geisler is a bit of an idiot, and I don't care what he believes. He believes he has evidence the NT writers told the truth, and then came up with a laundry list of stupid. Now he "believes" that atheists need more faith than theists?
Why do atheists need faith? If we look around and find absolutely no evidence of gods anywhere (shhhhh....it's because they want to win the universal hide-n-seek championship), then where does faith come into play? Do I need faith to not believe in fairies, gremlins, pixies, fire-breathing dragons, unicorns, or gods? What I need is evidence to believe any of them exist. To date, the evidence is not forthcoming, so no faith is required to just shrug my shoulders and go on my merry way.
If you want to believe any of the above exist, in spite of the lack of evidence, then you need faith that somebody somewhere was telling the truth about their run-in with fairies, dragons, unicorns, or gods.
kmortis
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Guys, guys, guys...it's really simple. It takes a quanta of faith to not believe in a deity. That means that animists have the least faith, pagans have a little more, certain sects of Hindus have a little more, momotheists have a lot more and, since atheists don't even believe in one deity then we must have the most. Simple math, really.
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