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Flight AA77 on 9/11

More information as to the NoC flight and its aerodynamic requirements...
The left turn before the right turn is also impossible.
And the transition from the left turn to the right turn is just not.... possible!
The bank angles and roll rates which would be needed to support those ground tracks are beyond the capability of the airplane to achieve in the time available, and the bank angles would very close to wings vertical, which was not observed, nor on the FDR data.
Getting to those angles would take many many seconds, and the transition from left to right a lot more, than the 4 seconds that are available.
100 ton airplanes are incapable of those manuvers at any time.
I've been through some "interesting" manuvers in Flight Test in the L-1011 Tristar, and even by accident nothing of the magnitudes of the manuvers that ground track requires ever occurred, and we had pilots who tried to find the limits of the airplane... and sometimes got there! :)
 
I Ratant said:
In the last two seconds, at the speed the airplane was going, that heading change would require a loading on the airplane of 4.6 G.
It -CAN'T- do that!
Physically impossible for an airplane like that to turn, much less survive that G loading.
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More like >57 g. A continous turn would be over 6 to 7 g.

Childlike Empress said:
I was asking him to name the valid purpose this facepalm image was good for. Is it from the "paper"?
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We got it right, three correct answers. Questions?
 
The instantaneous roll rates needed to get the turn rates are totally impossible, and the sketched flight paths therefore are just as impossible.
There has to be something really miswired in the heads of the CTwinkies that can do sums, but not make these sums have any relation to reality.
 
I Ratant said:
The instantaneous roll rates needed to get the turn rates are totally impossible, and the sketched flight paths therefore are just as impossible.
There has to be something really miswired in the heads of the CTwinkies that can do sums, but not make these sums have any relation to reality.
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so true
 
I Ratant said:
The instantaneous roll rates needed to get the turn rates are totally impossible, and the sketched flight paths therefore are just as impossible.
There has to be something really miswired in the heads of the CTwinkies that can do sums, but not make these sums have any relation to reality.
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Yes, we knew this over two years ago. There is really no need for any further discussion about CIT's crap.


http://www.911myths.com/index.php/NoC
 
These and the other questions on 9/11 will live on.
JFK is still a hot subject among the CTwinkies, and without adequate explanations of the questions for the newly curious, the Twinkies have the upper hand being ready to spew the crap at every opportunity.
9/11 is and will be even longer lived, as it had a greater effect on everyone.
The more questions that are asked and answered with science and civility, the better chance of not making Twinkie converts.
 
beachnut said:
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Both those flight paths are impossible. The image purpose was good and valid but the flight paths are not possible, or close to reality. The image was only good for its purpose.
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Exactly, the paths I drew were to show that you cannot push Morins story NOC because his line of sight (the blue line) is blocked by the navy annex.
The plane had to be well SOC for him to have been able to follow it down to the pentagon.
 
I thought i'd bump this thread.

I notice that there has been hundereds of posts by CIT fans lately (which was surprising, given that CIT has all but given up, as evidenced by the fact that they have all but shut down their forum).

I realized that the reason is because CIT fans don't want to acknowledge that their own truther community has demolished CIT's claims.

So we get a bunch of nonsense, yet no response to this thread by the CIT's champions. Curious.
 
16.5 said:
I thought i'd bump this thread.

I notice that there has been hundereds of posts by CIT fans lately (which was surprising, given that CIT has all but given up, as evidenced by the fact that they have all but shut down their forum).

I realized that the reason is because CIT fans don't want to acknowledge that their own truther community has demolished CIT's claims.

So we get a bunch of nonsense, yet no response to this thread by the CIT's champions. Curious.
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They've got nowhere to go!

"To learn more about research and evidence please visit and read the CIT research forum (sorry no new membership requests accepted):"
 
Have our resident CIT zealots addressed their fellow truthers' article yet?

Just curious.
 
Just the usual P4T nonsense. They are ranting at their hero Steven Jones now. CPT'N Bob is upset because Dr. Jones will not respond to his ranting.

If Steven does contact me, I'll be happy to explain to him our calculations. Just as I did with Dwain Deets and others. They get it. I'm sure Steven will too, once explained.

I tried to explain it to Legge many times, he doesnt get it. He never will.
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Poor Rob :(
 
Childlike Empress said:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimino-AA77-FDR.html
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THANKS CE!! Numerous and repeated ad homs from your heroes, leading up to this stunning analysis:

t just all comes down to two data fields being zeroed out. no tickee, no laundry. without those, there can... never be any linkage of the FDR to an 'N' number in the F.A.A. registry. not because the 'N' number is in the AC ID field, but the AC ID FIELD number is directly traceable to an N-Number in the F.A.A. registry, and the FLEET ID shows which carrier it went to.

[T]hose missing, that [data] could come from anywhere...


[N]obody flies boxes with that data zero'ed out or missing. without this data in the CPM [Crash Protected Memory], in the preamble, there can be no linkage to an aircraft N-Number.

I saw that on the first look.... the test person who extracted that data should have seen the NO ACFT ID and NO FLEET ID and said; "oh, this is such ********" and then asked his supervisor why they were asking him to decode ********."

BWHAHAHA!!!!!! Oh man, i needed a god damn laugh, and CE delivers in spades.

Thanks!!!
 
Childlike Empress said:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimino-AA77-FDR.html
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I have worked with Dennis on a few items and he is a pretty smart guy. Unfortunately, he is also paranoid to the point of .... oh well, I'll leave that one alone. Bottomline is that Dennis is rather convinced it was something else that hit the Pentagon, not a 757 .... Global Hawk perhaps?

I guess the question would be, if Dennis knows so much about FDR's and has been around before Warren, how come he did not complete the file decompression?
 
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