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Superconductivity at room temperature??

Doubtful. Johan's idea violates conservation of energy, he doesn't understand why it violates conservation of energy, and he can't let go of it because his whole house of cards will collapse if he does.
We disagree. My whole "house of cards" does not collapse since BCS has a similar problem to explain where extra energy comes from to promote the lower energy electron to the Fermi-level when the "Cooper pair" reaches the ejection contact . Since this has not worried anybody for over 50 years it should not worry them when in my case the energy is far less.

My model fits all data on all superconductors: The BCS model does not. I know that my reason why a singly charged charge-carrier of charge q must radiate energy 2qV is correct, and since it could indicate extraction of energy from the vacuum if one is dogmatically stupid about this, I looked for reasons why it cannot be so, and still believe that there must be another explanation. I tried to give you another explanation which you all consistently rejected, and therefore I outlined the problem in more detail above. I still think that the superconductor itself is an energy-storage device and that the correct explanation should be sought in terms of this; as I have done above.
 
Johan, if the above is correct, surely you can explain it by following an electron through a complete loop and keeping track of work done.
According to the BCS model you form a Cooper pair that consists of two electrons: How do I follow that through a loop. One must take the Fermi-levels at the contacts into account, and then the BCS model gives even more problems with the conservation of energy.
Are you going to do this, or do you refuse? Please reply.
I am not refusing, but your diagram only applies when the Fermi-levels align perfectly at the contacts. This is not the case for Cooper pairs, and not the case for my model unless T=0.
If you think your circuit is "fundamentally un-analyzable using the work energy theorem" then ... well, that'd be crazy.
No I do not think so and believe that my corrected analysis is correct; but you deny this and I am willing to give you the benefit of my doubt. If you are correct, it must mean that we should be able to extract energy from the vacuum. I still do not believe that the latter is possible and would very much like to do further experiments on this aspect. I, however, cannot get funding or else I would have done so years ago.
 
Johan,

It was the reference to religion, crimes against humanity and general vitriol towards the mainstream. I know that the mainstream can be wrong, but overall we have a lot of technology today that we must thank them for.
There is only one person to thank for this and it is Schroedinger. The rest was created by engineers who did not care a damn about the interpretation of quantum mechanics; not by the main steam physicists after 1927.
To me, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I don't care what line of thinking provided the recipe as long as the recipe bears fruit.
No one can say that the mainstream has not provided the fruit.
I do: When it comes to quantum mechanics we should thank only Schroedinger.
I figured that something had "cracked your pot" for you to make those statements. It is not a personal indictment, merely an observation.
Has everyone who made statements against the mainstream been crackpots? Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Mandela, Beyers Naude etc.? I am not saying that I might not be wrong, but it does not help when a referee for Proc. Roy Soc A admits that he is not an expert on superconduction, and yet rejects my manuscript. This is only a single example: There are many more in the same category. The pompous self-interest of the main stream physicists have become far more important than integrity in physics.
 
Of course they aren't! How many times do we have to repeat this: they are proof that a charge carrier, despite being accelerated, need not radiate. (And: the cause of the acceleration does not and cannot matter, remember? Unless Maxwell was wrong.)
The fact that individual charge carriers accelerated by an electric-field must radiate does not invalidate Maxwell's equation at all.
 
Note: That does NOT mean "the user twiddles a knob on the power supply to increase V_s."
I have never said this
That means "when you add the capacitor, the power supply (which was in constant-current mode to begin with) is now being asked to maintain its previous current through a different impedance, and therefore increases its voltage.")
I agree with this. The point is that th superconductor is a perfect dielectric which cancels the voltage between the contacts within the superconductor. it does not cancel the voltage of the power supply. The capacitor allows one to measure part of the previously cancelled voltage over the insulating junction. Do you not understand dielectrics?
 
We disagree. My whole "house of cards" does not collapse since BCS has a similar problem to explain where extra energy comes from to promote the lower energy electron to the Fermi-level when the "Cooper pair" reaches the ejection contact . Since this has not worried anybody for over 50 years it should not worry them when in my case the energy is far less.

It's not the same problem at all. QV goes in, QV comes out. Quite simple, really. The details might be messy, the standard theory could even be wrong, but there's no missing or extra energy involved. Whatever the problems with BCS might be, energy conservation isn't among them.

But you're putting in QV, and getting out 2QV. That's a glaring, show-stopping problem. And you're now basically claiming that it's acceptable to have this problem. Well, it isn't.

My model fits all data on all superconductors

Why are you repeating this obviously false claim when you already backed off of it before?

I know that my reason why a singly charged charge-carrier of charge q must radiate energy 2qV is correct

Even though it violates energy conservation.

and since it could indicate extraction of energy from the vacuum if one is dogmatically stupid about this, I looked for reasons why it cannot be so, and still believe that there must be another explanation.

Indeed, there is another explanation, and it's the simplest one of all: you're wrong.

I tried to give you another explanation which you all consistently rejected, and therefore I outlined the problem in more detail above.

By introducing this "polarization energy" stuff, which only changes the label on your energy conservation problem, because the energy still needs to come from somewhere, and you can't provide a source.

I still think that the superconductor itself is an energy-storage device and that the correct explanation should be sought in terms of this; as I have done above.

Where does the energy come from? What's the maximum amount of energy can it store? How much current do you need to deplete it? What happens when it's depleted?

You have expressed no interest in any of these rather obvious questions about your idea. Given this curious lack of curiosity on your part, I'm amazed that you can really claim to be searching for the correct explanation.
 
The fact that individual charge carriers accelerated by an electric-field must radiate does not invalidate Maxwell's equation at all.

Why do you keep talking about acceleration by an electric field, when Maxwell's equations indicate that the cause of the acceleration is irrelevant? And why do you keep ignoring everyone who points out this rather obvious fact?
 
First off, nobody is claiming that no accelerating charges radiate, we are merely saying not all accelerating charges radiate.
And my retaliation is based on the fact that this is irrelevant since I have been talking only about separate charges being accelerated by an applied electric field. Thus bringing in your claim that not all charges radiate means that you are dishonest.
And second, as has been pointed out to you time and time again, the cause of the acceleration is completely irrelevant.
Thus you claim that separate charges being accelerated by an applied electric field will not in all cases radiate?
And we're still waiting for you to figure out energy conservation. You put in energy QV. You cannot get out energy 2QV. So if you get photons of energy 2eV, then you cannot get more than one photon per two electrons. Simple energy conservation. Your ideas are incompatible with energy conservation.
I have treated it many times in detail, and I have now in all fairness even added the scenario of what will be required if you are correct, not really agreeing that you are correct.
 
if my model is correct, one might be able to use Josephson junctions to extract "free energy" from our surroundings. There: Ben has forced me to state this in the open! I now really feel like a crackpot!

Johan,

There's a different conclusion that can follow the premise. Please give it some consideration.

Otherwise, good luck.
 
And my retaliation is based on the fact that this is irrelevant since I have been talking only about separate charges being accelerated by an applied electric field.

Once again, why do you think the cause of the acceleration is in any way relevant to the existence of radiation, when Maxwell's equations clearly indicate no such dependence exists?
 
Wow. What a complete misinterpretation of everything I've said.
Where is the complete misinterpretation. You have claimed time and again that the charge-carriers within a superconductor can only move when they are accelerated by an electric-field. Now that I give you an experimental example that charge can be transferred through an electron phase even when there cannot possibly be an electric field accelerating the charge-carriers you say that I misinterpret what you have been saying. Do you now claim that the charges are moving without acceleration?
 
Is there a version of the story that doesn't include name-calling and deprecations?
Yes there is, but for 10 years I could not tell it without people calling me names. I decided, maybe wrongly, that I mast retaliate in kind. Sorry if it offended you.
 
Ben's persistence that this energy cannot come from the battery or any capacitor in parallel, now forces me to conclude that, if my model is correct, one might be able to use Josephson junctions to extract "free energy" from our surroundings. There: Ben has forced me to state this in the open! I now really feel like a crackpot!

Why is this an issue to avoid, johan? If you are right and this means free energy, you have discovered the most remarkable thing in the history of mankind. Screw whether or not superconductivity has Cooper pairs, that pales in relevance next to potentially free energy. Why aren't you trying to figure this out? Why isn't this the focus of your attention?

Either way, you seem to be doing exactly the wrong thing by trying to ignore the issue. If you're wrong, you should want to know that, and if you're right, you should be trying to prove the greatest discovery in human history.

Or are you afraid that no violation of energy conservation occurs, and that this might prove you wrong?
 
Where is the complete misinterpretation. You have claimed time and again that the charge-carriers within a superconductor can only move when they are accelerated by an electric-field.

Nope, I've never claimed that. I have claimed that the current in a superconductor can only change by accelerating the charge carriers, and that requires an electric field. But once they are moving in a straight section, they don't need to accelerate to maintain a current, and no field is needed. I have never said or suggested anything to the contrary. Furthermore, that post also claims that I said bremsstrahlung (you misspelled it) radiation can't occur. But again, I never claimed accelerating charges couldn't radiate, only that they do not always radiate.
 
Some charge configurations DO radiate when accelerating; Maxwell's Equations tell us so. A stopping point charge is a good example. On page 709-710 of Jackson (3rd ed.) you can see a derivation of this radiation from Maxwell's Equations.
So you agree that an accelerating "point charge" must always radiate (whether it is increasing its speed or decreasing its speed). So why do you claim that charge-carriers within a conductor can be accelerated without radiating?
Some charge configurations DO NOT radiate when accelerating; Maxwell's Equations tell us so. A line of charges in uniform circular motion is a good example. On page 183 Jackson derives the fields of these charges, which you can see have no time-dependence at all and thus no outward field energy flux.
And I repeat that the whole discussion has been of separate charge-carriers within a conducting material. What has this to do with "a line of charges in uniform circular motion" held together by mechanical forces? Please stop being so devious!
 
What has this to do with "a line of charges in uniform circular motion" held together by mechanical forces?

I wonder what you think "mechanical forces" are.

And I also wonder why you continue to insist that the cause of the acceleration is relevant, since Maxwell's equations indicate that it is not.
 
Johan,

One more time, can you please confirm; in your model, are the charge carriers in the same state on both sides ("near" side before the applied field and "far" side) or not?
Yes they are.
If they are, you don't get this "extra" polarization energy back.
I am sorry, I cannot follow your reasoning? If the electric-field on on one side is reduced to manifest the voltage over the junction, then the total energy stays the same.
If they're not, they are gaining "free" energy somewhere.
I have just admitted above that I have struggled with this same problem and that compels one that the extra energy must come from the vacuum: However, I doubt this and still believes that the difference in polarization energy supplies the extra qV. As we all know the potential over a capacitor can be less for the same electric field energy stored within the capacitor when it contains a dielectric than in the case when it does not contain a dielectric.
 
As we all know the potential over a capacitor can be less for the same electric field energy stored within the capacitor when it contains a dielectric than in the case when it does not contain a dielectric.

We know where that polarization energy comes from, we know how to calculate it, we know how to extract it, we know when it's all gone.

You know none of these things. You're grasping in the dark to save your theory.
 
My post number 775

I have quickly scanned the comments on post #775 of mine and found that I have conveyed the wrong impression. The fact that I have wrestled with the same problem does not imply that I agree with Ben's conclusion nor with his diagram. In fact the whole post was written to show that in such an analysis one must take the Fermi-level and its alignment at the contacts into account.

I did not say that I have discovered a way to generate free energy from vacuum, but that if I had claimed this, I would have been accused of being a crackpot; and by just raising this on this thread makes me feel like a crackpot.

Furthermore I noticed afterwards that I wrongly wrote that the two electrons forming a Cooper pair have different energies on the electron-energy diagram. This is of course nonsense and I find it strange that the gurus like Ben, Sol and Ziggurat did not pick this up immediately. But, of course, the BCS model is so riddled with inconsistencies that it is understandable that nobody really understands it.

I am thus reposting my post #775, with changes that are highlighted for easy reference. Here goes:

OK Ben; your staying power has forced my arm to go into aspects which I tried to avoid for reasons that will become apparent. The energy difference that you have been raising consistently I have already noticed about 5 years ago: I, however, decided that since people call me a "crackpot" after I have found that electrons extracted from an n-type diamond into an anode form part of a dipole layer within which the applied electric-field is totally cancelled, while charge is still transferred from the diamond to the anode, the most obvious implication of the energy-balance situation would have had me burning at the stake.

I have searched all these years to avoid mentioning this possibility in the hope that there is a way around it. Since you persistently pointed out that there is no way around it, I will take the plunge and brace myself to be called the crackpot of all crackpots. This means that this post will be rather lengthy; but please bear with me since objective criticism will be very useful indeed.

But before I give further background, first a few remarks on your energy diagram. (i) A trivial remark is that both you and Ziggurat claim that the charge-carriers within a superconductor are being accelerated, the voltage between the power supply and the junction should then have a slope. Since I, however, know that they move without being accelerated, I am happy with the flat voltage as you have drawn it. (ii) A more serious remark is that you ignored the Fermi-level and the matching of the Fermi-level at the contacts to the superconductor. By doing this, your diagram is not applicable to the BCS model, and also not to my model. The latter aspect is what I want to address; but it first requires a comparison between BCS and my model.

The BCS model and my model do have some similarities. The major similarity is that for both models there is an energy gap and a Fermi-level within the gap. And both models are based on quantum fluctuations: In the BCS model it is a "virtual phonon" in my model it is a "quantum-hop".

In the BCS model it is claimed that the relevant energy-gap represents the binding-energy of the two electrons forming a Cooper pair; and that both electrons have an energy (delta) below Fermi-level so that there is an energy gap 2(delta) between the Cooper pairs and the free electrons at higher energy: The postulate is that the Fermi-level is situated in the exact middle of this energy gap and stays centered at this position for all temperatures at an energy (delta) below the free electrons and an energy (delta) above the electrons forming the Cooper pairs . This energy gap of 2(delta) is supposedly "mediated" by a "virtual phonon" which causes the gap to be zero at the critical temperature and to increase to its maximum value at absolute zero. In other words when superconduction initiates, the electron-energy spectrum is exactly the same as it is above the critical temperature.

Before getting to the Fermi-levels at the contacts to the superconductor there are aspects which I find strange in this model; and I will now mention the two most obvious ones:
(i)The most obvious one is that if there is no drastic change in the electronic energy spectrum at the critical temperature, there should not be a sudden jump in the heat capacity of the electrons as is observed in the low temperature metal superconductors.
(ii) Phonons are positively charged and if the bonding of the two electrons is mediated by phonons the electron-pair will be accompanied by a positive charge (while it moves along) of at least +e; more probably +2e. Thus a Cooper pair cannot be a doubly-charged charge-carrier and is most probably a neutral entity which sure as hell can then not be a charge-carrier.

At both the injection contact (where single electrons are being injected by the power supply) and the ejecting contact where single electrons are being ejected from the superconductor, the Fermi-level within the contact must be in alignment with the Fermi-level within the superconductor, which according to the BCS model is situated in the middle of the energy-gap between the free electron energy levels and the electrons forming Cooper pairs.

Thus when electrons are being injected they enter into an insulating energy-gap: Each injected electron is required to lose energy (delta) in order to form one of the constituants of a Cooper pair.

Andreev tried to model how a Cooper pair is formed at the injection contact and his model has become known as "Andreev reflection": However, his model requires that an electron must be injected at an energy (delta) below the Fermi-level. Obviously this is a nonsense assumption. Furthermore, the back-reflected hole derived by him always occurs when you eject an electron from a metal into an insulator; and has nothing to do with Cooper pairs being formed.

A more serious situation occurs at the ejection contact: Both electrons forming the Cooper pair have an energy (delta) below the Fermi-level and must thus get this energy from somewhere to move into the contact. Where does this extra energy (delta) per electron comes from? Out of the "vacuum"? At a Josephson junction there are even more complications which I have already mentioned on this thread: The major one is that the Cooper pair has a much larger size than the largest width of the junction through which it can "tunnel" as if it is a "point particle". Why is it not possible to tunnel through a junction that at least has a width equal to the size of the Cooper pair?

2. In my model the energy gap (delta)ES already exists at full strength at the critical temperature: In the low temperature metals the critical temperature coincides with the metal-insulator transition: i.e. when the Fermi-level moves into the gap between the free-electron energy states and the localized orbitals which are responsible for superconduction by means of "quantum-hopping". At this point the energy difference (delta)EA between the Fermi-level and the free electron-levels is zero, but the energy required to absorb heat must suddenly jump, since electrons must now primarily be excited from the stationary orbitals over the gap energy (delta)ES. Thus the jump in heat capacity must occur for this reason. As the temperature decreases the Fermi-level moves down within the gap (like Fermi-levels always do within an electron-energy spectrum) until at absolute zero temperature (delta)EA=(delta)ES. It is this increase in (delta)EA, which is interpreted in the BCS model as being the binding energy of a Cooper pair.

It is also the latter Fermi-level which must align with the Fermi-levels within the contacts. At temperatures above absolute zero it is at an energy (delta)EQ=(delta)ES-(delta)EA above the superconducting orbitals. Thus when an electron is injected in order to replace the nearest orbital to the injection contact, which then moves on further to replace the next orbitals etc., the injected electron must lose energy (delta)EQ; which can be easily done by radiating it away.

When it reaches the ejection contact, it needs this energy to enter the contact; but since the temperature is higher than absolute zero this energy is probably supplied by a temperature fluctuation; so that the charge is easily transferred from the superconductor to the external circuit. But how does it enter the contact at absolute zero? Fortunately at absolute zero the Fermi-level is at the energy-position of the orbital, so that an injected electron need not lose any energy and an ejected electron does not need extra energy.

But now comes the Josephson junction with a voltage VJ across it: To simplify the discussion let us assume that without the junction voltage the Fermi-level is situated at the energy position of the orbitals. Before switching on the voltage VJ the Fermi-level is the same on both sides of the junction. After switching on the voltage VJ the Fermi-level shifts by an energy qVJ over the junction where q is the charge on the charge-carriers. But as already explained on this thread, the charge-carriers on the low energy side shifts by an additional amount of energy qVJ owing to a decrease in their polarization-energy. Thus when an orbital with charge q moves through the junction it radiates energy 2qVJ.

But now when reaching the ejection contact, it has an energy qVJ lower than the position of the Fermi-level within the contact. Thus to move on it must gain this additional energy. Where does it come from? Well as Ben thought he correctly pointed out all along, it cannot come from the battery; even though I have tried for years to argue that it must be so since, if it does not, I have to conclude that it is supplied by a quantum fluctuation. It is all good and well to claim that the orbitals are borrowing energy (delta)ES+1/2m*v^2 to move from one point to another after which this energy is returned; but to argue that at the ejection contact part of this borrowed energy remains, and is not given back, sounds bizarre. It would mean that "free energy" is extracted from the "vacuum". I thus decided that there must be another mechanism for the appearance of this energy; and have been valiantly searching for this mechanism in order not to cement my position as a crackpot.

And of course there must be another mechanism since for th BCS model the situation is even more dire. In the latter case, even without the presence of a Josephson junction, each electron forming part of the Cooper pair must gain an energy (delta) and this energy is much much larger than the energy qVJ that must be gained by the orbital in my model after it has gone through a Josephson junction with a voltage V(sub)J across it. So if, after 50 years, each Cooper pair electron can find the energy (delta) to increase its energy at the ejection contcat why can my orbital not find the energy qVJ<<<(delta) to do the same? Furthermore, in the case of the BCS model there really is no other energy available to supply the energy (delta) required, whereas in my model there is polarisation energy available which must stay constant within the superconductor. Since this energy cancels the applied electric field, the voltage which initially caused the applied electric-field can top up this energy without requiring an increase in the measured voltage over the superconductor. As soon as one realizes that a superconductor is not just a conductor and also not just an insulator, but a conducting-dielectric, the energy conservation falls into place
The following paragraph was meant to point out the absurdity in Ben's arguments:Ben's persistence that this energy cannot come from the battery or any capacitor in parallel, now forces me to conclude that, if my model is correct, one might be able to use Josephson junctions to extract "free energy" from our surroundings. There: Ben has forced me to state this in the open! I now really feel like a crackpot!
 
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Oh yeah? Show me one. Seriously: scroll back, find where anyone said this, and quote it.

(ETA: I recognize the possibility that you were being sarcastic. God, I hope so.)
Congratulations Ben! You caught on: This puts you quite a number of notches above Sol on the intelligence scale;)
 

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