Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

[TraneWreck]

From your own source:



You tried to make it sound like he skipped the funeral for a partisan political event which this was not. When are you folks going to stop being dishonest? This dishonesty is what invites criticism of the left.

Boehner should have gone with the president to show a united front. You can disagree, that's fine, but I think it was his duty to represent unity to the American public. How many people tuned in for the prayer service?

But setting that aside, you have gone to great lengths (providing false information at every step) to paint the memorial service as some crass political event organized by Obama.

Obama had nothing to do with the organization and he tried to bring his biggest political opponent to share the stage. Say what you want about Boehner's inability to make the flight (somehow I'd imagine that Congress could go on without him and literally no one in the Country would be incapable of understanding why he prioritized the memorial), but this was not a political event crafted by Obama's people.

 

[TraneWreck]

Yeah. You sure are staying above the fray. Guess he was a republican whose school mates identified him as a leftist. Odd that.

Unbelievable. I can never tell whether your posts are serious or parody.

 

[BeAChooser]

you have gone to great lengths (providing false information at every step) to paint the memorial service as some crass political event organized by obama.

liar.

 

[TraneWreck]

liar.

Hmm, all lower case, no smirking emoticon, even you know how bad you've been on this topic. You're just going through the motions.

You have been corrected forcefully on this thread by someone very close to the event. People can read the thread, there's no point in me rubbing your nose in it.

 

[I Am The Scum]

No, my skepticism is based on the way the Obama Whitehouse has used other *events* and all the cute slogans/logos they came up with to do it.

In fact, "Together We Thrive" is not something thought up by the University of Arizona at all … but something that clearly came from the Obama camp (Organizing For America). And here is the proof:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2656595/posts



The creator of the slogan, a guy name John Berry, introduced the slogan this way:



In other words, the slogan was introduced to push socialism, Biscuit.

Not real togetherness. Or thriving (i.e., prosperity) ... since socialism and prosperity do not go hand in hand.

What is the point of this?

There are legitimate complaints to be made about the baseless accusations over the cause of this tragedy. The two main purposes of these criticisms would be that the accusation is false, and that the accusation serves only to further the hate-driven politics we are faced with today.

But that doesn't matter to you. Dishonesty and hatred are two things that you love.

In regards to the matter of politicizing the event, you are absolutely incorrect.

Not that it would bother you, of course. You are mad at Obama because you believe that he is doing the exact same thing you are doing. Your dishonesty has no place in intellectual discourse.

At least you waited for the bodies to drop below room temperature.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Sadly. . . not a joke.

ETA: Yep--he actually took pictures on film!

 

[MattusMaximus]

Indeed. I'm something of an optimist though. I'd like to see a FEW people apologize for trying to pigeon-hole this nutcase. It would be refreshingly honest.

Fortunately, there are those of us who refrained from such behavior in the first place, thus avoiding the potential embarrassment of proving ourselves to be hypocritical, arrogant asses. Foresight... some have it; even fewer practice it.

 

[Frank Newgent]

In other words, the slogan was introduced to push socialism, Biscuit.

I'm living in Tucson also and went down to the Safeway parking lot today to check if that doomed old chucklenuts Fred Phelps would show up to picket.

(For what it's worth this was a couple hours after the memorial for Judge Roll had taken place.)

Parked my truck near a gnarly-looking biker wearing one of the Tucson/Thrive t-shirts. Got a sandwich inside a lunch place right on that corner and came back out and then asked this guy if he knew whether Phelps would be showing.

Laughed and said "that's what I'm here for". And I thanked him for his service

Why don't you go and tell that guy his shirt had a slogan introduced to push socialism.

You've no idea what's going on here.

 

[Tumblehome]

Two cents, but worth much more.

I feel like I'm watching history unfold at the grassroots level, so I'm getting my money's worth.

 

[tyr_13]

Fortunately, there are those of us who refrained from such behavior in the first place, thus avoiding the potential embarrassment of proving ourselves to be hypocritical, arrogant asses. Foresight... some have it; even fewer practice it.

But hindsight is so much easier!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Isn't the above statement a straw man?



I'm sorry you view my post as a waste of my time. It helped me clarify my own thoughts to organize them and type them out. Perhaps someone will learn or be persuaded by what I wrote and quoted. Overall I think, not a waste of my time at all.

I've gone back to re-read your post. The problem is you started off answering my quote posted by ProbeX, not something ProbeX directly said. So it looks like you are answering what I said about the fear mongering with a post about violence in society in general.

I'll take your word for it now, that is not what you were saying. So my comments about the straw man and time wasting don't now fit in the exchange either. You're welcome to take my word for it I've withdrawn the comments.


Moving on, yes, a lot of what I post as well helps gel my own thoughts.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So you refuse to answer another simple question once again.

What a surprise.

The 'real issue' here is the shooting.

So you refuse to discuss my comments once again, while insisting I address the straw man you falsely attribute to me.

Not a surprise.

One issue here is the shooting. There are multiple aspects of the shooting. And different people are focusing on different aspects of the shooting.

When you present your issues without the straw man attached, I might have something to say. But I'm certainly not going to be manipulated into answering your false charges.

 

[BeAChooser]

Dishonesty and hatred are two things that you love.

Where have I been dishonest or expressed any hatred? I've merely been a skeptic which is what this forum is about. The link I posted proves that the "Together We Thrive" slogan came from someone in the Obama camp back in 2008 and was not invented by the university or one of it's staff as both the university and Biscuit have tried to imply.

In regards to the matter of politicizing the event, you are absolutely incorrect.

No, it your left-wing source that is clearly misrepresenting the truth. It regurgitates the following quotes

"The name of the event and the logo for the event were done entirely by the university," said Johnny Cruz, a spokesman for the University of Arizona. "Branding of the event was not done in consultation with the White House, or any elected officials or political organization." ... snip ... But university spokesman Cruz said all of the "stage prop details," as Malkin called them, were entirely conceived by and arranged by the college.

as if they represent the truth, when those claims are directly contradicted by the fact that the "Together We Thrive" logo originated in an Obama political organization (OFA) back in 2008, as I proved. It was not "done entirely" or "entirely conceived" by the university, as claimed. Some consultation between that organization and the university had to have occurred unless you want us to believe they both *invented* the slogan separately ... in which case, call me skeptical. If you refuse to see that then there is no point in my listening to any *wisdom* you wish to impart. Then it is YOUR dishonesty that is interfering with *intellectual* discourse because then you are simply deluding yourself.

 

[Noztradamus]

Boehner should have gone with the president to show a united front. You can disagree, that's fine, but I think it was his duty to represent unity to the American public. How many people tuned in for the prayer service?

As House Speaker he should have attended the tribute services at the Capitol, rather than being a Presidential tagalong.

 

[zooterkin]

Are you for cereal or is this a joke!?

"For cereal"?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

"For cereal"?

I'm cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!

 

[Father Dagon]

Sure she did, last night.

She did? What are the symbols then? Sun crosses?

 

[Biscuit]

From this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6742111&postcount=139

Nice try. That post was explaining the relationship between Palin and Giffords. Not about the shooting.

 

[TraneWreck]

As House Speaker he should have attended the tribute services at the Capitol, rather than being a Presidential tagalong.

I disagree. As the highest ranking republican he should have gone to show national unity. He was invited. He skipped it for a service no one watched or even knew about.

Of course, his real purpose was to show support for a particular candidate in the RNC leadership election, but the prayer service was a nice excuse.

 

[tyr_13]

I disagree. As the highest ranking republican he should have gone to show national unity. He was invited. He skipped it for a service no one watched or even knew about.

Of course, his real purpose was to show support for a particular candidate in the RNC leadership election, but the prayer service was a nice excuse.

Maybe he didn't want to be shown weeping on national tv again.

I know that sounds like a slight, but I'm not trying to be insulting to the speaker by saying that. He does tend to cry, that is an event that it's very likely anyone would cry at, and it was an event that a LOT of people were sure to watch.