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Merged Skeptics vs. Knowers/Believers

carlitos said:
It was (IIRC) 'stand' on a train tracks with a train coming, and 'tell me that you don't trust your eyes' or something
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That sounds more like a technical violation than real ill will. But of course it was only a 1 day suspension, if he wanted to leave he should have just said so, rather than using this as an excuse, it just seems cowardly.
 
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carlitos said:
It was (IIRC) 'stand' on a train tracks with a train coming, and 'tell me that you don't trust your eyes' or something
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He apparently still doesn't understand that trains are known entities, while invisible advanced civilizations are unkowns.

Oh, well. Not my problem.
 
15th February 2010, 09:10 AM #976



Cuddles said:
Just on the off chance he comes back (my money's on between a week and a month):
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How does 2 days sound? :)

ETA - Welcome back KoTA! :)
 
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King of the Americas said:
Wow...

This place must demand towers upon towers of archival space.
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Not really. We use alien data crystals, which can store googolbytes of data. They are about 15cm-long and we keep them at the secret chambers deep inside the Atlantean pyramids (those whose upper parts the Egyptians later used as toombs).

Whaat? You actually believed the cover sup tale that JREF forumnites were just a loose group of random close-minded skeptic folks?
 
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correa neto said:
not really. We use alien data crystals, which can store googolbytes of data. They are about 15cm-long and we keep them at the secret chambers deep inside the atlantean pyramids (those whose upper parts the egyptians later used as toombs).

Whaat? You actually believed the cover sup tale that jref forumnites were just a loose group of random close-minded skeptic folks?
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You are in violation of secrecy regulations 13, 223, 225, 226, 445 and 12223a. A neutralization unit has been dispatched.
 
carlitos said:
And after 10 months, King of the Americas replies and doesn't answer my post. Beautiful.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5612168&postcount=966
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caritos,

Forgive the delay, please.

In an address to your post, "We weren't looking as a ground based distant fire."

These were not distant stars light years away. These were in the sky just above us, and they moved in concert with one another.

Then again, if you are arguing "You could not have possibly seen what you did, because one- they don't exist, and two- people make mistakes.", then I'd say you are simply wrong...
 
thanks for answering

Glad to see you back.
King of the Americas said:
In an address to your post, "We weren't looking as a ground based distant fire."

These were not distant stars light years away. These were in the sky just above us, and they moved in concert with one another.
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At the very least, could you acknowledge that this is your memory of your perception of these lights? Unless you took a video of them, and it had some markers to indicate stationary points for comparision?

King of the Americas said:
Then again, if you are arguing "You could not have possibly seen what you did, because one- they don't exist, and two- people make mistakes.", then I'd say you are simply wrong...
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I'd appreciate your not guessing what I'm arguing. I shared an anecdote about how I was unable to gauge the distance of a light source in the night sky. No one, not me and not you, with their eyeballs, can accurately gauge the distance of a light in the night sky.

So rather than the strawman you are attempting to debate, I'd ask you the question that I was actually driving at: How did you eliminate the possibility that your perception was mistaken, and that your memory of that perception doesn't carry an element of confabulation? For instance, have you compared your memory today with some written record of how you remembered it at the time?
 
King of the Americas said:
I 'd like this thread to consist of "who's winning" the debate...

The skeptics/debunkers or those who believe/know they saw 'something' that wasn't a man-made and a human piloted craft.

This is a "skeptic's forum", James Randi fancies himself a debunker and even a hoaxer. I've always felt a little like so much chum being tossed into an already shark infested pool. I guess I'd say I felt more attacked than welcomed, but this being where it is, it was expected. That said, I've felt the tide turn lately (thank you ramjet & jakesteele)

I have seen 'things' I still have yet to identify, or have a plausible explanation offered by an aviation expert. And too I've opened several threads, and or taken part in many discussions, debates, and or deliberations here upon this, all ending in the same way...

'I' think the skeptics' thinking is skewed, and their methodology flawed, in arrival at "debunked claim". I am sure they are equally convinced of 'their' winning the logical argument.

So, I want to hear from those "on the fence", those who haven't made up their mind as to which group is 'probably' correct.

IS there 'something' around/up there/in the heavens that ISN'T us?

OR

Are ALL such reports merely a product of identification error?

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Which camp has offered YOU the strongest argument(s)?
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The whole thread misses the mark.

1) It's a skeptic's forum so the debate is a wee bit biased
2) One side has closed it's mind to possibility and the other already "knows", it's about the same as the sound of one hand clapping.
 
mikeyx said:
The whole thread misses the mark.

1) It's a skeptic's forum so the debate is a wee bit biased
2) One side has closed it's mind to possibility and the other already "knows", it's about the same as the sound of one hand clapping.
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Then there's the side that makes generalizations, hasty and otherwise.
 
carlitos said:
Glad to see you back.

At the very least, could you acknowledge that this is your memory of your perception of these lights? Unless you took a video of them, and it had some markers to indicate stationary points for comparision?

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This area is one I grew up around, and have seen all manner of craft fly over, as there are more than one airstrip nearby. I myself have flown over this area, more than once.

So, "Yes, I had some knowledge of where in the sky these things were."
 
mikeyx said:
The whole thread misses the mark.

1) It's a skeptic's forum so the debate is a wee bit biased
2) One side has closed it's mind to possibility and the other already "knows", it's about the same as the sound of one hand clapping.
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Between those two groups are the 'undecided', so the question was posed to them, and not either of the other two camps.
 
"Yes, I had some knowledge of where in the sky these things were."
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Which sort of answers one small part of one of my questions.

Again, you are sharing your memory of your perception of events. I guess you aren't even willing to acknowledge this, after all this time. It's clear to everyone else, anyway, unless you provide some other evidence for what you claim to remember seeing.

And again, can you please share what means you have used to ensure that:
- your memory of the event is accurate, or even the same as it was that night?
- your impressive ability to gauge distance of light sources in the night sky is accurate?

Lastly, your response that started the trouble about the rule violation completely ignored UncaYimmy's point when he posted the optical illusions thing. If you viewed those with an open mind, you would grasp how vision canot be trusted.
 
carlitos said:
Again, you are sharing your memory of your perception of events.
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If you add to that the fact that memory is merely a loose interpretation of what we once experienced, and the interpretation has a tendency to become looser over time...

We have a loose interpretation of a long-ago perception of events.
 
carlitos said:
And again, can you please share what means you have used to ensure that:
- your memory of the event is accurate, or even the same as it was that night?
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Keep in mind, KotA, that it's been scientifically demonstrated that confidence in the accuracy of a memory is no indicator that the memory is accurate. You need corroboration from another source, preferably NOT someone else's memory of the event.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Keep in mind, KotA, that it's been scientifically demonstrated that confidence in the accuracy of a memory is no indicator that the memory is accurate. You need corroboration from another source, preferably NOT someone else's memory of the event.
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It has also been shown that you ignore your senses at your own peril.
 
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