Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

[Toontown]

Be careful LeftySergeant, next time you say the Republicans are full of bat quano, some schizo might interpret this literally...

Maybe one already has.

Maybe the attack on Giffords was meant to stir up an uprising against Republicans, using the same "logic" that Manson used to stir up the "Whites" against "Blackie".

I mean, after all, we are "speculating", aren't we.

Oh wait, I forgot. "Blackie" was supposed to "win" the ensuing "Helter Skelter". So who can follow these loons' "logic"? Certainly not me. However, it does seem that assassinating a Democrat might tend to stir up a backlash against Republicans, or Teabaggers. So that's probably what a cunning loon would do.

 

[Pardalis]

Tell me Skeptigirl.

The singer Björk had a schizophrenic stalker who thought there were hidden messages intended for him in her songs.

Is she responsible for his suicide?

 

[Biscuit]

So from now on, we should be extra-careful about what we say so to minimize the possibility that some schizo somewhere in the world might misinterpret what we say and act upon their delusions.

No. We should be careful what we say so that we can build a better America. Saying hateful things in our political dialogue is getting us no where.

 

[Pardalis]

No. We should be careful what we say so that we can build a better America. Saying hateful things in our political dialogue is getting us no where.

Sure, in an ideal world nobody would get angry at anyone.

But what does that got to do with this random occurence? A nut who is not treated is going to act upon his delusions regardless of what we do.

 

[AvalonXQ]

No. We should be careful what we say so that we can build a better America. Saying hateful things in our political dialogue is getting us no where.

It still seems to me like Democrats only ever say that during this half of the pendulum swing. During the other half it's, "we're in power, the people have spoken, we don't need your ideas".
It's possible that the ideologies are just too far apart to allow for meaningful dialog on many issues.

 

[BeAChooser]

President Obama didn't do it.

Where in what I wrote did I blame him specifically? I said democrats. And I think many of them did treat this event as if it were a rally. Even the liberals on this thread were discomforted enough to note that, else I probably would have said nothing.

Seriously, Biscuit … you don't see it as a tad unseemly to be handing out T-shirts at an event advertised to the public as a "memorial" for the victims? You don't see all the cheering that occurred as a tad unseemly? The booing that occurred when Brewer took the podium? Sure, the folks there had the right to do so, but I've the right to wonder what this country has become when that occurs in a MEMORIAL SERVICE. I watched quite a bit on TV and it didn't come across as the solemn event it should have been. There was an undercurrent of something else … something disturbing.

Obama gave a decent speech and I fully agree with his urging a more civil discourse … yet this forum has numerous threads started by liberals immediately after the attack going after Palin and sometimes republicans in general as if they are responsible … when they are clearly NOT responsible for it. On the very first page of this thread it began and has continued non-stop since in posts by Thunder, Shalamar, TraneWreck, bikerdruid, sophia8, Skeptic Ginger, MattusMaximus, thaiboxerken, Magyar, slingblade, Denver, Ausmerican, Kthulhut Fhtagn, and case#46cw39. And yet not a word from you to them about that.

 

[Biscuit]

Sure, in an ideal world nobody would get angry at anyone.

But what does that got to do with this random occurence? A nut who is not treated is going to act upon his delusions regardless of what we do.

Only Jared knows what influenced him to do this. Nobody can know what would have happened if things were different.

I do know that a more thoughtful and respectful national dialogue will not hurt us or people like Jared.

 

[Darat]

Sure, in an ideal world nobody would get angry at anyone.

But what does that got to do with this random occurence? A nut who is not treated is going to act upon his delusions regardless of what we do.

Anger and hatred are not the same.

 

[Biscuit]

Where in what I wrote did I blame him specifically? I said democrats. And I think many of them did treat this event as if it were a rally. Even the liberals on this thread were discomforted enough to note that, else I probably would have said nothing.

You linked to an article that said the "white house unveils Together we Thrive." Get it through your head - the University did that not democrats and not the white house. You may think that but you are actually wrong.

Seriously, Biscuit … you don't see it as a tad unseemly to be handing out T-shirts at an event advertised to the public as a "memorial" for the victims? You don't see all the cheering that occurred as a tad unseemly? The booing that occurred when Brewer took the podium?

I didn't hear any booing but if that occurred it was from a minority of the people and anytime you get 14K people together you are going to have a few with poor manners. I strongly condemn anyone who booed.

Why are you so concerned about the damn T-Shirts?! They said "Together We Thrive." Why is that wrong? They were not being sold there was no profit, who gives a damn if the university made something for the people to take home with them. No one wants you to wear one so get over it. It isn't evidence of anything other than someone saying - Hey lets print T-Shirts.

Sure, the folks there had the right to do so, but I've the right to wonder what this country has become when that occurs in a MEMORIAL SERVIC. I watched quite a bit on TV and it didn't come across as the solemn event it should have been. There was an undercurrent of something else … something disturbing.

Who the hell are you to tell us how we should remember our dead neighbors, our dead friends? I knew Gabe and I will memorialize him in any way I see fit. What gives you the right to say we were inappropriate in our celebration of their lives? You are a real arrogant piece of work to come here and tell my community how we should heal. Leave us alone, we don't need your help in telling us how to respond to this tragedy.

Obama gave a decent speech and I fully agree with his urging a more civil discourse … yet this forum has numerous threads started by liberals immediately after the attack going after Palin and sometimes republicans in general as if they are responsible … when they are clearly NOT responsible for it. On the very first page of this thread it began and has continued non-stop since in posts by Thunder, Shalamar, TraneWreck, bikerdruid, sophia8, Skeptic Ginger, MattusMaximus, thaiboxerken, Magyar, slingblade, Denver, Ausmerican, Kthulhut Fhtagn, and case#46cw39. And yet not a word from you to them about that.

The President gave a great speech and it helped our community more than you will ever know.

I haven't said a word to the others because they have not been so arrogant as to attack my community and scold us. You will notice I did not once speculate in this thread about a connection to a political party, I was too busy mourning. You are a real piece of work BaC.

For the record and in the wake of this tragedy I do think this forum needs to class things up a bit and so do I. I will make an effort to raise the level of my own posts and avoid the obvious snipping and hit pieces. I hope others will do the same.

 

[BenBurch]

So the person calling Democrats "Demon-rats" is responsible for whatever the schizophrenic will do? Is that it?

...

Legally, no.

Morally, possibly.

 

[applecorped]

It's possible that the ideologies are just too far apart to allow for meaningful dialog on many issues.

This. Hopefully it will change in the future but I doubt it.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I would love to follow his suggestion we all get along. Then I remember Boehner claiming compromise was a dirty word, Palin's it's all about me video, O'Reilly's rant that the liberals are all scum, and MSNBCs montage of Glenn Beck urging everyone to take up arms against evil that has stolen the government and is coming to get conservatives.

And it makes me wonder just how to go about 'getting along'.

May I suggest that you try not to constantly focus on the negative regarding conservatives? As a liberal myself, I understand much of what you're saying here, but I know too many fair-minded conservatives to convince myself that they're all so easily painted with this broad brush.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[MattusMaximus]

RIGHT: Look how the left is mishandling this tragedy!
LEFT: Look how the right is mishandling this tragedy!
Ugh...

Ignore those people. I think there are far more people who are willing to reflect thoughtfully on these events & the rhetoric than the vocal minority who continue to rant at "the other side".

 

[BeAChooser]

You linked to an article that said the "white house unveils Together we Thrive."

If it's true that the Whitehouse had no involvement in the planning or staging of this (and, frankly, you can call me a little skeptical given how careful the Obama administration has been in the past with regards to such things), then I'd say Obama picked the wrong venue for his speech.

Why are you so concerned about the damn T-Shirts?!

You don't get it, do you? I have to wonder how many people came expecting grief and prayer, and left confused by the pep rally mood and the t-shirt? It's a symptom of that undercurrent I mentioned.

And whether you know it or not, "Together We Thrive" is a political statement. Unity has been this administration's theme over and over since day one. But unity isn't really what this administration has desired. And democracy thrives on difference and division.

What gives you the right to say we were inappropriate in our celebration of their lives? You are a real arrogant piece of work to come here and tell my community how we should heal. Leave us alone, we don't need your help in telling us how to respond to this tragedy.

And yet your party has been the one insisting that Arizona must do what democrats elsewhere say where illegal immigration is concerned. Guess you didn't want to be left alone in that case.

As Malkin noted:

Reminder of the local [democratic] governments that declared boycotts against Arizona:

• Amherst (Mass.)

• Austin City Council

• Berkeley, Calif.

• Bloomington, Ind.

• Boston.

• Burlington, Vt.

• Columbus, Ohio.

• Cook County, Ill.

• El Paso (city and county).

• Gallup, N.M.

• Hartford, Conn.

• Los Angeles (city and county).

• Oakland.

• Richmond, Calif.

• Sacramento

• San Pablo, Calif.

• St. Paul, Minn.

• Santa Monica, Calif.

• San Francisco (non-binding resolution).

• Seattle.

• West Hollywood, Calif.

Hmmmmm.

I haven't said a word to the others because they have not been so arrogant as to attack my community and scold us.

But they have been arrogant enough to attack palin and republicans even though they had nothing to do with this tragedy. Guess it's a matter of whose ox …

 

[MattusMaximus]

It always amazes me when people criticize the way others handle grief. I tried to be clear that I didn't disapprove of the cheering at the memorial, just that it made for an odd viewing.

They were celebrating the lives of people in their community who were tragically killed. They can do that however they want.

Yup, I watched it via livestream, and what I saw was a community of people who were celebrating the lives & heroism of those harmed/killed. It was about coming together, and if they want to hold the memorial more like a wake than a funeral, so be it.

Grieve in the way that makes you happy. And I saw a lot of happy/happier people last night in Tucson

 

[Galteeth]

The real question: Is the government controlling our minds through grammar? And if they are, is it the left, or the right?

Point/counterpoint?

 

[TraneWreck]

IAnd yet your party has been the one insisting that Arizona must do what democrats elsewhere say where illegal immigration is concerned. Guess you didn't want to be left alone in that case.

This bizarre attempt at ginning up a charge of hypocrisy made me laugh quite loudly. Yes, how can we distinguish a ritual from legislative action?

Then I read this:

As Malkin noted:

And just about pissed myself laughing.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Where in what I wrote did I blame him specifically? I said democrats. And I think many of them did treat this event as if it were a rally. Even the liberals on this thread were discomforted enough to note that, else I probably would have said nothing.

It wasn't discomfort, it was confusion. But once we saw what was happening, it was all cool

Seriously, Biscuit … you don't see it as a tad unseemly to be handing out T-shirts at an event advertised to the public as a "memorial" for the victims? You don't see all the cheering that occurred as a tad unseemly? The booing that occurred when Brewer took the podium?

I didn't hear anyone booing Gov. Brewer. In fact, I heard plenty of cheering when she took the podium and made her very well-worded remarks. Despite her Tea Party leanings, I have a new-found respect for her. Last night I didn't see a "Republican" or "conservative" or "Tea Party" governor, I saw the duly elected leader of a state in shock/mourning who was helping her fellow citizens work through the tragedy as best she could. We should all aspire to mimic her example.

Sure, the folks there had the right to do so, but I've the right to wonder what this country has become when that occurs in a MEMORIAL SERVICE. I watched quite a bit on TV and it didn't come across as the solemn event it should have been. There was an undercurrent of something else … something disturbing.

Have you ever been to a wake? Last night's event, like a wake, was a celebration of life.

Obama gave a decent speech and I fully agree with his urging a more civil discourse … yet this forum has numerous threads started by liberals immediately after the attack going after Palin and sometimes republicans in general as if they are responsible … when they are clearly NOT responsible for it. On the very first page of this thread it began and has continued non-stop since in posts by Thunder, Shalamar, TraneWreck, bikerdruid, sophia8, Skeptic Ginger, MattusMaximus, thaiboxerken, Magyar, slingblade, Denver, Ausmerican, Kthulhut Fhtagn, and case#46cw39. And yet not a word from you to them about that.

You'd better go back and re-read the thread, BaC, because you will see quite clear evidence that I spent much time & frustration in admonishing my fellow liberals in their leap to conclusions. Your desire to paint with a broad brush and find blame where there is none to be had shows that you are no better than those whom you criticize for excessive partisanship.

My suggestion: look in the mirror and start with who you see there.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Here's my recommendation:


Boehner is in government. Address this issue of Boehner's, figure out to what extent he really means it, and work on compromise anyway.


None of these people are in government. Ignore them.

Let the ideologues do what they do, and the politicians ignore the over-the-top rhetoric and do their jobs.
If we had to get the pundits on board to get anything done, we never would.

Influence on government and being in government are not completely divorced issues.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Tell me Skeptigirl.

The singer Björk had a schizophrenic stalker who thought there were hidden messages intended for him in her songs.

Is she responsible for his suicide?

It's unfortunate that the point I've made again and again in this and in the related threads continues to be changed to this straw man.

I take you also are unwilling or unable to address the real issue, that of the incessant fear mongering as a campaign tactic.