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deepatrax said:
Let's just come to an agreement, ok?

When someone on The Right uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be condemned!

When someone on The Left uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be understood that the speaker is just using clever metaphor and hyperbole and ONLY doing so to counter the insanity coming from The Right.

That seems to be the consensus by many here, the Liberal Media, and in the Liberal blogosphere

agreed???
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How many?

Go back through the thread, why don'tcha. Count 'em up, and get back to us.

While you're at it, count up the other tu of the quoque. Let us know who's winning.

While you're at it, check on how many think it's deplorable no matter whose ox is being gored. Let's see how badly we're outnumbered.

Thanks. See ya in a while.
 
quadraginta said:
How many?

Go back through the thread, why don'tcha. Count 'em up, and get back to us.
7

While you're at it, count up the other tu of the quoque. Let us know who's winning.
0

While you're at it, check on how many think it's deplorable no matter whose ox is being gored.
3

Let's see how badly we're outnumbered.

Thanks. See ya in a while.
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This is my count (above)
 
I have this vague recollection of hearing complaints, mostly from people of a certain political bent, that the increased sexual content in the entertainment media was responsible for an increase in the number of teenagers having sex, or something like that. Maybe my memory is faulty.
 
Solid Yahoo! News article by Zachary Roth.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110110/ts_yblog_thelookout/giffords-shooting-the-senseless-act-of-a-troubled-loner-or-political-violence

Loughner appeared to subscribe to a broadly anti-authoritarian, anti-government ideology, making any precise definition of his views risky. But there are specific overlaps between some of his online postings and two major strands of anti-government conspiracy thinking.
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The author then goes on to detail his Fed Reserve "gold standard" B.S. that many Ron Paulites espouse, and the FOTL-inspired kookiness we all know and love so well.

I can honestly see him going against the advice of whatever attorney he winds up with and making an FOTL rant on the first day of his trial about how the court is illegitimate because of gold flag fringe or some other such lunacy.
 
I thought this was a pretty good analysis of the "right" versus "left" rhetoric in the context of this controversy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyqmZs0VoPw. (The video is Cenk Uygur from the Young Turks Podcast, which I highly recommend).

Good stuff starts around the 5:45 mark if you're impatient.
 
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Oh, Jon Stewart. You've said so much of what most of us are thinking right now, and so much more. This gave me chills it was so truthful, rational and apt.

Watch this, if you value your brain.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-10-2011/arizona-shootings-reaction

(I'm pretty sure that's the link, but I'm having trouble loading it. I just watched the Jan 10 episode of The Daily Show on TV, and that's apparently the link to the segment. The webosphere is probably going bananas over it at the moment, it was so brilliant.)
 
Orphia Nay said:
Oh, Jon Stewart. You've said so much of what most of us are thinking right now, and so much more. This gave me chills it was so truthful, rational and apt.

Watch this, if you value your brain.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-10-2011/arizona-shootings-reaction

(I'm pretty sure that's the link, but I'm having trouble loading it. I just watched the Jan 10 episode of The Daily Show on TV, and that's apparently the link to the segment. The webosphere is probably going bananas over it at the moment, it was so brilliant.)
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Link doesn't work for me, but if you go to thedailyshow.com directly, that's what is up right now.
 
HumanityBlues said:
Link doesn't work for me, but if you go to thedailyshow.com directly, that's what is up right now.
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Thanks for that. :thumbsup: You've saved me the trouble of editing my post.

I do hope people watch it. Not so much the John Oliver bit at the start, which was good, but nowhere in the realm of Jon Stewart's monologue which follows.
 
Interesting slip from David Frum on UK radio news last night. He was doing the standard ‘it’s insensitive to be partisan about this awful tragedy’ type meta-spin with a fairly obvious framing, viz:

a) any suggestion whatsoever that social and political factors had even the tiniest contribution – indeed any discussion of the possibility, is intrinsically partisan.
b) you are quite clearly being more partisan than us

when he quite clearly fumbled the rhetorical ball. ‘Obviously’, he says ‘this man was deeply insane and therefore not reachable by ration…uh, by ordinarymeans…’

It was a really obvious and deliberate verbal switchback. He knew he couldn’t use the word ‘rational’ because he knows perfectly well that the party he supports is trying quite deliberately to reach people almost entirely via irrational means.

Trying to find a direct correlation with individual bits of rhetoric – even with the Palin thing – is, I think, a stretch, and as we’ve seen lays the left open to plausible sounding tu quoque but it’s not unreasonable to argue that when insane rhetoric falls on the ears of insane people, insane activity is more likely to result. This is the point that the cleverer right-wingers are trying to keep outside the frame, and nobody should let them.
 
Though I understand and respect Jon Stewart's take on the issue, I remain unconvinced that taking the high road here is the way to go. It just isn't. And because TraneWreck and others have already stated the obvious, I submit this link which includes a thoughtful analogy not mentioned in this thread yet. A highly recommended three minutes of your time.

"Shooting Rampage in Tucson" Jump to 40:27.
http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110110shooting_rampage_in_
 
Orphia Nay said:
Oh, Jon Stewart. You've said so much of what most of us are thinking right now, and so much more. This gave me chills it was so truthful, rational and apt.

Watch this, if you value your brain.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-10-2011/arizona-shootings-reaction

(I'm pretty sure that's the link, but I'm having trouble loading it. I just watched the Jan 10 episode of The Daily Show on TV, and that's apparently the link to the segment. The webosphere is probably going bananas over it at the moment, it was so brilliant.)
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Wow... John Stewart nailed it; my respect for him just increased 100 fold. Everyone should watch that video. Thanks for sharing that with us.
 
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Orphia Nay said:
Thanks for that. :thumbsup: You've saved me the trouble of editing my post.

I do hope people watch it. Not so much the John Oliver bit at the start, which was good, but nowhere in the realm of Jon Stewart's monologue which follows.
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I didn't actually expect much from Stewart, but I decided to watch it, just in case.

It is worth it. My favorite takeaway line:

"I do think it's a worthwhile goal not to conflate our political opponents with enemies, if for no other reason than to draw a better distinction between the manifestoes of paranoid madmen and what passes for acceptable political and pundit speech. It would be really nice if the ramblings of crazy people didn't in any way resemble how we actually talk to each other on TV."
 
This was posted on Facebook yesterday, I suspect it may not be a complete list as the paper this morning mentioned sentencing in another case where a man went into an FBI office and declared an intent to assassinate the President.

I was mostly surprised that despite working for a paper and getting to see the front page and highlights, I'd never heard of most of these 'isolated incidents'.
 
tyr_13 said:
I don't believe I said you weren't voicing your opinion.

I'm pointing out that it certainly sounds like zero tolerance when you say things like...



...which sounds a lot like the stance some people take on cartoons, video games, books, etc.

Obviously fundamentally we agree that things are unreasonable right now. I'm saying that it can easily swing too far the other way, where all one has to do is imply that their opponent said something 'sorta violent'. Every act of speech needs to be judged on it's own merit.
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slingblade said:
Whatever. I give up.

The words that keep getting shoved into my mouth taste bad, and I'm tired of spitting them out.
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BenBurch said:
No, stand your ground.
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quadraginta said:
I agree, SB. You're a breath of fresh air and this thread needs all the air it can get.
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Yes, stand up and spit out the agreement.

I think the righteous indignation dial might be up just a tad high.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Oh, Jon Stewart. You've said so much of what most of us are thinking right now, and so much more. This gave me chills it was so truthful, rational and apt.

Watch this, if you value your brain.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-10-2011/arizona-shootings-reaction

(I'm pretty sure that's the link, but I'm having trouble loading it. I just watched the Jan 10 episode of The Daily Show on TV, and that's apparently the link to the segment. The webosphere is probably going bananas over it at the moment, it was so brilliant.)
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Just saw it on tv. Brilliant. Exactly what it seems so many here are tying to say.
 
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