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TraneWreck said:
From FoxNews.com:


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/29/tommy-seno-obama-birthers/

The usual, "IIIIIIIIIII'm not saying he's from Kenya, Buuuuuut..."

Found that one in about .2sec with Google. You're welcome to look for more.

How about the ACORN smear Fox jumped on hook-line-and-sinker? The New Black Panthers? Sherrod?

Fox pimps right wing insanity. It's what they do.
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tommy de seno?

never heard of the guy...And I'm willing to bet you hadn't either until you googled that.

Apparently he wrote an opinion piece for foxnews.com back in 2009.

He doesn't speak for foxnews television commentators or the Republican party.

You mentioned Maddow's name on MSNBC and I asked if you had anyone from FOX News who was a birther...not some unknown wacko.

you're really stretching here and you know it.

No well-known personality on FOX News is a birther.

btw, yes I understand, anything you disagree with about The Right is to be called "insanity"...I know...I know...
 
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Let's just come to an agreement, ok?

When someone on The Right uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be condemned!

When someone on The Left uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be understood that the speaker is just using clever metaphor and hyperbole and ONLY doing so to counter the insanity coming from The Right.

That seems to be the consensus by many here, the Liberal Media, and in the Liberal blogosphere

agreed???
 
deepatrax said:
tommy de seno?

never heard of the guy...And I'm willing to bet you hadn't either until you googled that.

Apparently he wrote an opinion piece for foxnews.com back in 2009.

He doesn't speak for foxnews television commentators or the Republican party.

You mentioned Maddow's name on MSNBC and I asked if you had anyone from FOX News who was a birther...not some unknown wacko.

you're really stretching here and you know it.

No well-known personality on FOX News is a birther.
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Yes, why would I use an article published on Fox's site as evidence for their birtherism? Truly baffling.

I think this guy is fairly well known among Fox viewers:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907160002

But, of course, someone else is saying that, he's just reporting, you decide.

"Have you ever seen the birth certificate?"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907230018
 
deepatrax said:
Let's just come to an agreement, ok?

When someone on The Right uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be condemned!

When someone on The Left uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be understood that the speaker is just using clever metaphor and hyperbole and ONLY doing so to counter the insanity coming from The Right.

That seems to be the consensus by many here, the Liberal Media, and in the Liberal blogosphere

agreed???
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Let's just come to an agreement, ok?

When someone on The Left uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be condemned!

When someone on The Right uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be understood that the speaker is just using clever metaphor and hyperbole and ONLY doing so to counter the insanity coming from The Left.

That seems to be the consensus by a few here, the Conservative Media, and in the Conservative blogosphere

agreed???
 
TraneWreck said:
Yes, why would I use an article published on Fox's site as evidence for their birtherism? Truly baffling.

I think this guy is fairly well known among Fox viewers:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907160002

But, of course, someone else is saying that, he's just reporting, you decide.

"Have you ever seen the birth certificate?"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907230018
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Hannity is not a birther, he's reporting the story

MSNBC's Chris Matthews has also reported the birther story:

"Why has the president himself not demanded they put out the original documents?" Matthews wonders.

"If it exists, why not put it out?" Chris Matthews asks.

He ain't a birther either...
 
Spindrift said:
Let's just come to an agreement, ok?

When someone on The Left uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be condemned!

When someone on The Right uses inflammatory rhetoric, it should be understood that the speaker is just using clever metaphor and hyperbole and ONLY doing so to counter the insanity coming from The Left.

That seems to be the consensus by a few here, the Conservative Media, and in the Conservative blogosphere

agreed???
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This is the point that many on The Left fail to understand...

The Right isn't pointing out the SAME types of rhetoric being used by The Left as if to say, "No, it's YOU who is responsible for this!"

They're saying, both sides use this kind of rhetoric and neither side should be trying to draw links between it and this incident.
 
deepatrax said:
Hannity is not a birther, he's reporting the story

MSNBC's Chris Matthews has also reported the birther story:

"Why has the president himself not demanded they put out the original documents?" Matthews wonders.

"If it exists, why not put it out?" Chris Matthews asks.

He ain't a birther either...
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Context is everything. Here is Matthews' history on the subject:

Congressman, nice try. But what you're doing, it's a nice try, and I'm laughing with you only to this extent, because I know it's a nice try. What you're doing is appeasing the nutcases. As you've just pointed out, this won't prove or disprove whether Barack Obama's a citizen. By the way, let me show you his birth certificate. That's the way to deal with this. Mail this birth certificate to the whacko wing of your party, so they see it and say, "I agree with this, it's over." [...] you're verifying the paranoia out there. You're saying to the people, "That's right, it's a reasonable question whether he's a citizen or not."
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http://crooksandliars.com/dday/chris-matthews-takes-lunatic-birther-movement

Pretty clear. You're welcome to offer an example of Hannity clearly debunking the nonsense in this manner. He was, however, happy to let the rumor fester.

Since you have so much trouble with this one, how about you find me an example of Maddow advancing a silly, malicious lie like "death panels." All of the Fox personalities loved that one.
 
deepatrax said:
This is the point that many on The Left fail to understand...

The Right isn't pointing out the SAME types of rhetoric being used by The Left as if to say, "No, it's YOU who is responsible for this!"

They're saying, both sides use this kind of rhetoric and neither side should be trying to draw links between it and this incident.
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But they seem to be only using rhetoric from the left to illustrate the point.
 
TraneWreck said:
Context is everything. Here is Matthews' history on the subject:



http://crooksandliars.com/dday/chris-matthews-takes-lunatic-birther-movement

Pretty clear. You're welcome to offer an example of Hannity clearly debunking the nonsense in this manner. He was, however, happy to let the rumor fester.

Since you have so much trouble with this one, how about you find me an example of Maddow advancing a silly, malicious lie like "death panels." All of the Fox personalities loved that one.
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Rachel Maddow claiming that a Republican actually had advance notice that the Oklahoma City bombing was going to happen:

"(Repbublican) Steve Stockman of Texas...Mr. Stockman actually received advance notice that the Oklahoma City bombing was going to happen"
- Rachel Maddow



only after her LIE was pointed out to her, did she have to go back and retrack it...claiming an editing error :rolleyes:

When in fact, months before this she had done this same story!
 
case#46cw39 said:
Another sign of the times. This also supports the "toxic speech inflames real acts (from right or left)" hypothesis.

Is Anti-Government Anger Fueling Violence Against Census Workers?
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/05/surge-violence-against-census-workers
"Earlier this year, anti-government activists had mounted a crusade against the Census as a constitutional invasion of privacy—even threatening violence against Census takers. "I dare them to try and come throw me in jail...Pull out my wife's shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes being scared at the door," RedState blogger and CNN commentator Erick Erickson said in April. Now, a new report from the US Census Bureau reveals that more than 113 census workers have been assaulted or attacked since April 1—a number that's significantly higher than the last US Census ten years ago."
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That's a very good example. Bachman's calls that the census was a threat led to this stuff. Then she realized it was in here best interest to have conservatives answer the census takers and I believe her colleagues shut her up. But not before some "distrust the government" damage was done.
 
BenBurch said:
You know better than that. I know you do.

When a person says that, for example, that second amendment remedies are the cure to our political problems, that person knows exactly and precisely that what they are saying is indecent. When a person says, for example, that Democrats need to be made afraid to come out of their houses, that person know they are calling for violence.

And a decent person will not do either of those things.

And Personal Responsibility demands that one consider one's words and the effect they will have because words have consequences. (If they did not, we would never have evolved the capacity for them!)
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Would you defend everyone's right to utter all the above? Personable responsibilty also entails not acting upon inflammatory language, and if one does act upon it in an inappropriate manner accepting that the only one who is at fault is yourself.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That's a very good example. Bachman's calls that the census was a threat led to this stuff. Then she realized it was in here best interest to have conservatives answer the census takers and I believe her colleagues shut her up. But not before some "distrust the government" damage was done.
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Distrust of Government was only ok when Bush and the Republicans were in charge, right??

Then it was, "The Bush Dictatorship is trying to take away our rights and spy on us!"
 
deepatrax said:
Rachel Maddow claiming that a Republican actually had advance notice that the Oklahoma City bombing was going to happen:

"(Repbublican) Steve Stockman of Texas...Mr. Stockman actually received advance notice that the Oklahoma City bombing was going to happen"
- Rachel Maddow



only after her LIE was pointed out to her, did she have to go back and retrack it...claiming an editing error :rolleyes:

When in fact, months before this she had done this same story!
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So now you want every false allegation from the last 2 decades rehashed along with the irrelevant examples being dredged up?

How the right is wrong on Rachel Maddow's Steve Stockman comments

It's time to stop this nonsense and post the examples that are actually relevant. Oh, wait, there aren't enough to make a case.


Show us the Democratic Party leadership sponsored campaign to portray the Repubs and Tea Partiers as so dangerous we need to prepare to use Second Amendment remedies.
 
deepatrax said:
Distrust of Government was only ok when Bush and the Republicans were in charge, right??

Then it was, "The Bush Dictatorship is trying to take away our rights and spy on us!"
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While I might personally believe that, unfortunately the Democratic legislators almost all signed on to the the PATRIOT Act and Obama has not reversed course. So once again, you aren't citing relevant examples of the Democratic Party leadership calling for preparation to stop Bush with Second Amendment remedies.

You really should go back and listen to Sheriff Dupnik's comments.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
While I might personally believe that, unfortunately the Democratic legislators almost all signed on to the the PATRIOT Act and Obama has not reversed course. So once again, you aren't citing relevant examples of the Democratic Party leadership calling for preparation to stop Bush with Second Amendment remedies.
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I've already agreed that Angle's "Second Amendment remedies" quote was way over the line...she didn't get elected, btw.

However, that aside, the rhetoric used by Palin AND Obama...the Right AND the Left are equivalent.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So now you want every false allegation from the last 2 decades rehashed along with the irrelevant examples being dredged up?

How the right is wrong on Rachel Maddow's Steve Stockman comments

It's time to stop this nonsense and post the examples that are actually relevant. Oh, wait, there aren't enough to make a case.
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BS...

Maddow had talked about Stockman MONTHS BEFORE she did her Oklahoma city linking video...she knew what the truth was. It wasn't an editing mistake.
 
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