OK, so how do thermite demolitions work again?

This is just straight lying. So obviously it doesn't count in a scientific argument. Your statement has no relevance whatsoever. Since it it just a lie.

Prove it is a lie.

I said three times there is zero evidence.

So to prove I lied, you only need to present one piece of evidence that does in fact prove there was molten steel anywhere.

Maybe you want to do that in the other thread I created for you to discuss specifically that claim. I might miss it here.

Thanks.
 
No I know what it was. It was molten iron. But how would you find this out? Its not that difficult.

If it were me? I would collect a sample of the substance and test it. That is the only way to know for sure what you have. Unfortunately, I don't believe anyone did collect a sample of it.

So how do you know with 100% certainty that it is iron?
 
But you always want three-way convergence or better.

No you do not.

So how do we make sure the dripping metal, that everyone has seen ..... How do we know that this is not aluminium?

Will you stop beating around the bush and get to the point? Seriously, you are the one that supposedly has this all scientifically proven with 'three or better points of convergence'. So get to the point.

I want to see:

-The three or more hypotheses you tested.

-All the data you collected in support of the hypotheses

-All the tests you ran (with accompanying material so that they can be replicated)

-All the subsequent results

-Your remaining theory that accounts for ALL the events that happened on 9/11.

Everything should be properly documented and I expect to have access to all documents including COCs, etc.

Stop being so condescending, insulting, etc and get to the point. If your only intention is to run around here acting like you are the smartest critter alive and flash around the the same old videos, mined quotes, and litany of toother assertions then I have no more time for you.
 
Stop calling them skeptics. They are not skeptics. They believe everything they are told no matter how ridiculous. Their entire belief system is based on the argument-from-authority. This is a mirror image of skepticism. This is anti-skepticism.

This is not true at all.

In my PROFESSIONAL opinion, NIST under-estimated their fuel loading. They also under-estimated their temperatures.

Does it matter? Not one damn bit, becuse they have shown that the Towers still collapsed at the lower temperatures with less fuel per sq. foot.
 
No I know what it was. It was molten iron. But how would you find this out? Its not that difficult.

Well, since (In your opinion) we're all idiots, why don't you spell it out for us step by step.

List any assumptions and evidence. Math would help too.
 
Citations aren't required if they've already been posted.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html

From there you can get the mainstream links to the original reports.
You linked to information supplied by a worthless excuse for a journalist or a human being. Get this straight. Anything backed up by the word of a maggot like Chris Bollyn belongs out in the backyard to make the tomatoes grow better.

You were asked for evidence. Find some.
 
No I know what it was. It was molten iron. But how would you find this out? Its not that difficult.
Mega bull flops. It exits the buiulding glowing yellow. At no time do we see it glowing red. By the time it is half-way down the side of the building, it is grey. This cannot POSSIBLY be steel, no matter how loudly you shriek and stamp your feet.

Lead (of which there were bleeding TONS in that corner of the building) or aluminum pass very quickly from incandescent to dark so that we could easily miss its red period. In the Army, I worked on MOGAS stoves with a cast iron burner element which would sometimes become red hot and would still be glowing red some five minutes after they were turned off.

You are not talking to a bunch of kids who just got off the short bus here.
 
Did you not see it? Let us go over it again. A scientific argument is like a pyramid, in that at the pinnacle you have a conclusion that is built on many networked assumptions. Some of these assumptions are implicit and ought to be made explicit. Some were explicit from the start. But all reasoning that goes into the conclusion at the top of the debate pyramid, is dependent on assumptions and arguments lower down. Introducing a flat out lie into the debate pyramid means that the entirety of the debate will be perverted from then on in. This is why I ruthlessly excise lies from the argument. And you must find a way, to learn a way, to begin to do the same.

Out of the three basements you claim contained "molten iron". One of those basements never existed because building seven was built upon an at grade Consolidated Edison electrical distribution sub station. WHOOPS!!! there went your "scientific argument pyramid". QED (Using your "scientific argument pyramid" rules), no "molten iron" in any basements. I suspect your stay here to be short as you have already incurred 2 suspensions in less than 8 days. I also noticed you never responded to my post back on page 17. You are failing (and flailing) badly. I can hardly wait for your return to post more of your special blend of dumbassery.
 
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Coal is a fossil fuel and contains a considerable amount of hydrogen. The rubble at the WTC was predominantly steel. How can you even think of comparing them is beyond me. This isn't a coal seam fire.

It also did not last for decades. It also contained a vast amount of combustible material.
ETA: a coal seam is contained within non-combustible rock so it is also pri,arily non-combustible material. Your 'point' is meaningless.

Nonsense. Are you implying that the upper sections just dodged the massive steel and concrete cores?
1) the only concrete in the cores was the flooring whicj was only 4 incjes thick.
2) The steel COLUMNS are what is responsible in a standing structure, for transfering the loads to the foundation. These columns stayed put but when those columns failed at a point on the fire floors and the upper mass dropped, those columns buckled, fractured or snapped AND THE UPPER SECTION'S COLUMNS NO LONGER WERE LINED UP with the columns of the lower section. This is a concept you steadfastly refuse to even consider let alone grasp.


I ask now for the 4th time;
What possible mode is used to transfer the force of impact and of gravitation, of the upper section to the columns of the lower section.

Your continued utter silence on this matter indicates your utter lack of any useful knowledge in the matter of physics or engineering. It points to you holding to your position due to a political world view rather than any interest in 'truth'.
And even if your ridiculous "mass increases" theory were true, this would be a constant, and would be happening in the crash zone as well, so a discrepancy in resistance would still be measurable.

No, as collapse continues the mass of debris must increase. Given an acelleration of collapse, the falling debris must also increase in velocity. momentum is the product ( that means multiply the two factors) of mass and velocity. Double the mass and double the momentum, double the velocity and double the momentum, double BOTH mass and velocity and quadruple the momentum..
Care to express it as kinetic energy?
That is proportional to mass but proportional to the square of velocity.
Double the mass, double the kinetic energy, double the velocity and quadruple the energy, double both and kinetic energy goes up by a factor of 6.

That momentum was being transfered primarily to the floor pans NOT the tops of the columns of the lower section. The floor pans were never designed to accomodate such a load so vastly greater than the load normally expected to be on ONE floor.

It is unwise to enter a battle naked and unarmed yet that is exactly what you have metaphorically done here. Oddly though it seems you are unaware of your nakedness.
 
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I don't think they used thermite to bring down the support columns.


I think they had Hulk Hogan use his Crooked Arm Lariat on them.
 
I ask now for the 4th time;
What possible mode is used to transfer the force of impact and of gravitation, of the upper section to the columns of the lower section.

Your continued utter silence on this matter indicates your utter lack of any useful knowledge in the matter of physics or engineering. It points to you holding to your position due to a political world view rather than any interest in 'truth'.

This question doesn't even make sense. Please try harder.

No, as collapse continues the mass of debris must increase. Given an acelleration of collapse, the falling debris must also increase in velocity. momentum is the product ( that means multiply the two factors) of mass and velocity. Double the mass and double the momentum, double the velocity and double the momentum, double BOTH mass and velocity and quadruple the momentum..
Care to express it as kinetic energy?
That is proportional to mass but proportional to the square of velocity.
Double the mass, double the kinetic energy, double the velocity and quadruple the energy, double both and kinetic energy goes up by a factor of 6.

Negative. Mass is not necessarily stacking up. Mass in the Twin Towers is being blown laterally with incredible force. If anything, mass is decreasing. Since we both understand Newton's Third, we know that the upper section is being destroyed in virtually the same way as the lower section of each tower. Mass is essentially being blown outward; it isn't stacking up like pancakes. It's being broken up and dispersed and its force decreasing as collapse progresses. The 10 stories of the North Tower's upper section could never have completely eliminated the 100 stories below it.

See you actually have to look at the hard evidence, not just take a simple equation and run with it.

It is unwise to enter a battle naked and unarmed yet that is exactly what you have metaphorically done here. Oddly though it seems you are unaware of your nakedness.

This is such a 'Russell Crowe in Gladiator' caliber moment for you. Bravo!
 
This question doesn't even make sense. Please try harder.

Negative. Mass is not necessarily stacking up. Mass in the Twin Towers is being blown laterally with incredible force. If anything, mass is decreasing. Since we both understand Newton's Third, we know that the upper section is being destroyed in virtually the same way as the lower section of each tower. Mass is essentially being blown outward; it isn't stacking up like pancakes. It's being broken up and dispersed and its force decreasing as collapse progresses. The 10 stories of the North Tower's upper section could never have completely eliminated the 100 stories below it.

See you actually have to look at the hard evidence, not just take a simple equation and run with it.

This is such a 'Russell Crowe in Gladiator' caliber moment for you. Bravo!

Thanks for clearing that up Tempest ... good to see the thermite theory so well explained. Ooops sorry I meant to say the thermite proof.
 

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