Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

johnny karate said:
I agree with the bolded portion. The rest (regarding the shooter's motivations) is baseless speculation.

And to your point that we can't really know the shooter's motivations based on his target... again, it was a planned and publicized event for Gabrielle Giffords. Judge John Kroll was not scheduled or expected to be there. That Giffords was the target is further bolstered by the fact that she was shot in the head at pointblank range.
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Did you watch this nut's videos?

Perhaps he thought Giffords stole his magic marble collection...and his dreams.
 
Ausmerican said:
I agree Mattus but in Palins usual manner she, IMHO, has made exactly the wrong move. If it had been taken down when it was first put up and there was an outcry about it she would be ahead. Especially if there was a message attached about how she understood how some people had misconstrued the metaphor she was using and she certainly didn't want to be seen as encouraging extremists.
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Except that you'd need to be deranged to misconstrue the metaphor that way. And if you are, in fact, deranged, you're liable to misconstrue anything.
 
Newtons Bit said:
This attack has quite literally brought me to tears. I did not vote for Congresswoman Giffords, nor do I agree with much of her politics, yet still I suffer from hearing of her wounds. For an attack against a duly elected Representative of this country is not a personal crime. It is an attack against every person in this nation. The would-be assassin has rejected the one thing that binds all Americans together: liberty. He has rejected the concept of self-governance by attempting to assassinate the Congresswoman. He has rejected that the People ought to choose their own laws by electing Representatives. He has written with gunpowder and blood that his own beliefs of governance are the only ones that can be acceptable. And that makes him a tyrant.

I hope that this is explained to him on the day of his sentencing, so that he may be deprived of the self-consolement of, "I did this for the country!" or, "I helped free people". No sir, you did not. You are a want-to-be despot who has rejected the right of the people to choose their own governance.
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Yes!
This is the god-damned United States of America, not Noonegivesa****istan!
We use ballots, not bullets!
 
PixyMisa said:
What glib references to politically motivated violence?
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That would be the M-16's shooting at Gifford's face. HAHAHA, funny, shoot a woman in the face.

PixyMisa said:
We? Scrutinize? Hyperbole? The right?
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I imagine William Shatner delivering this.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.

PixyMisa said:
It's protected speech. It is the most fundamental freedom there is.

What, exactly, do you want to do about that?

If you want to argue with them, to educate people, I'm right there beside you.

But if you are saying that they don't have the right to say what they did - then I'm going to be right there beside them.
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Have I ever remotely suggested censorship?

It's still legal to be a racist. Most of society, however, doesn't tolerate racism. Same sort of dynamic. Censorship doesn't even enter the equation.

PixyMisa said:
And if so, so what?
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Well, Dr. Tiller is dead. That's not a real great thing. Understanding the dynamics that lead to his murder can help us avoid similar events in the future.
 
Ausmerican said:
I agree Mattus but in Palins usual manner she, IMHO, has made exactly the wrong move. If it had been taken down when it was first put up and there was an outcry about it she would be ahead. Especially if there was a message attached about how she understood how some people had misconstrued the metaphor she was using and she certainly didn't want to be seen as encouraging extremists.

But when a bunch of people tell you that it looks like you are doing just that and something like this could happen, then the victim of this current event notes that you have placed a bullseye on them in the media, then gets killed, and then you take it down?

It doesn't matter if the nut had ever even seen the map by that stage. Politics is like showbusiness, apperance trumps fact by and large for the majority. Because the majority dont dig past the appearance.
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The Left wing Daily Kos had Rep. Giffords on it's "target" list and said she had a bullseye on her

The shooter Jared Lee Loughner had The Communist Manifesto on his favorite book list

Perhaps he was a disgruntled Leftist who took the Daily Kos literally??
 
deepatrax said:
MSNBC's Liberal commentator Ed Schultz:

"We Ought To Rip Out Dick Cheney's Heart!"

seems kinda violent to me...
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Yeah, I don't like that guy much. That was unnecessary hyperbole.

Once again, however, there's an issue of practicality, here, that makes it somewhat distinguishable from the calls for violence with regard to, say, killing abortion doctors.

Unless you think there are a bunch of vegans out in the woods practicing ripping Cheney's heart out, because those militias are there with their guns.
 
deepatrax said:
How do you know that it was Gifford's who was targeted?

Thankfully, she's still alive.

However, Federal Judge John M. Roll, appointed by Republican George H W Bush, was killed.
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The judge wasn't scheduled to be there. Apparently he decided to go there at the last minute, he lives nearby.
 
There is a difference in the maps which show voting districts that need to be "targeted" for change, and specifically identifying individuals who need to be "targeted".
Just thought I'd make that clearer.
You sow, you reap.
It's in the Book!
 
I Ratant said:
There is a difference in the maps which show voting districts that need to be "targeted" for change, and specifically identifying individuals who need to be "targeted".
Just thought I'd make that clearer.
You sow, you reap.
It's in the Book!
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no, the only difference is that your bias allows you to hear one as "targeted for change" and the other as "targeted for violent retribution".
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
The judge wasn't scheduled to be there. Apparently he decided to go there at the last minute, he lives nearby.
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Not any more.
I wonder what the affiliations of all the victims will be?
Random?
And how many were created by the return fire?
 
deepatrax said:
Perhaps he was a disgruntled Leftist who took the Daily Kos literally??
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Perhaps. And perhaps the person crawling through your window at night wearing a mask is a drunk coming home from a costume party who picked the wrong house, and perhaps the person with a badge who comes and takes him away after you called 9-1-1 is just his roommate who has a police uniform fetish.

But you probably want to play the percentages here, or as the medical students put it, "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." How many instances have you found of the American "Leftists" apparently advocating the murder of the people they disagree with politically? Just that one example from the Daily Kos? How many examples of these right-wing political hit lists have been presented on this very thread?
 
Jared Lee Loughner reportedly met with Congresswoman Giffords before tragic shooting

Saturday, January 8th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Joe Brooks

(WIREUPDATE) — A person who knew gunman Jared Lee Loughner said that he met with Congresswoman Giffords at least once in the past. Caitie Parker, a high school friend of the shooter, said Loughner told her about meeting the Congresswomen once in 2007.

“He was a political radical. He met Giffords once before in 2007. He asked her a question and he told me she was ‘stupid and unintelligent.’ Parker wrote on her Twitter account.


“He was a pot head and into rock, like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven’t seen him in person since 2007 in a sign language class. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in 2006 and dropped out of school. Mainly a loner, very philosophical,” she wrote.

According to BNO News, Loughner was placed into custody after shooting at least 18 people, six of whom have died.
 
deepatrax said:
Sorry...I forgot...it only matters when someone on the Right does it.

my fault.
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So you haven't read ANY of the posts that say it's wrong no matter who does it? Do you suffer from selective sight?

I note you haven't responded directly to any of my posts answering you, except that one.

You have an axe to grind, but don't grind it on me.
 
drkitten said:
Perhaps. And perhaps the person crawling through your window at night wearing a mask is a drunk coming home from a costume party who picked the wrong house, and perhaps the person with a badge who comes and takes him away after you called 9-1-1 is just his roommate who has a police uniform fetish.

But you probably want to play the percentages here, or as the medical students put it, "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." How many instances have you found of the American "Leftists" apparently advocating the murder of the people they disagree with politically? Just that one example from the Daily Kos? How many examples of these right-wing political hit lists have been presented on this very thread?
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I posted two different examples of Democrat Party maps with bullseyes on them...scroll back through this thread

AND read the story above coming from someone who knew the shooter who describes him as a Liberal pot head
 
deepatrax said:
no, the only difference is that your bias allows you to hear one as "targeted for change" and the other as "targeted for violent retribution".
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Bulls eyes aren't associate with guns. Crosshairs are.

You've been told this many times already. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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