Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

Fair enough, but then we literally have nothing to discuss. The thread should only be transcriptions from news updates.

What are we allowed to talk about?

You are allowed to talk about whatever you want... and others are allowed to criticize you for your words.

It's called the First Amendment. A lawyer would know that :rolleyes:
 
I'm kind of surprised that as of yet we still know only two things about the guy: jack, and...



ETA yah I guess we know he's bats*** crazy
 
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Then I think you're a lousy lawyer, at least you are in how you represent the law outside of a courtroom. You, of all people, especially as someone who represents defendants in murder cases, should be one of the first people to insist that we let the facts of the case, not idle speculation, guide our reasoning and conclusions. You should be leading by example, not following the herd.

Haha, what? This is a bizarre statement.

The facts of the case are that a guy walked up to a crowd and started shooting. The material facts don't even appear to be in dispute.

We're discussing the potential motivations of the shooter and the political climate of the country.

There is nothing remotely inappropriate about this. I've sat around and had similar conversations with other lawyers thousands of times.

I think you're watched a little too much Law and Order or something. You seem to be inhabiting a fantasy world.


Your excuse is like a doctor saying that, while he/she isn't in the clinic, they should refrain from speaking out against medical nonsense. Worse yet, it's like said doctor promoting said medical nonsense, because hey it doesn't matter since they aren't in clinic, right?

This makes no sense. Is there any confusion over the law, here? Anyone struggling with the concept of murder?

Did you have any discussions with people about what the hell was going on during hte 9-11 attacks? I did.

Let's say there's a treatment for a disease that hasn't gone through the studies yet. You don't think doctors will sit around and discuss what the likely outcome of the testing will be, "I think it will work because_____, I don't think it will work because_____."

If someone starts making incorrect statments about the law, rest assured that I will swiftly debunk the false statements. Speculating about what the facts will turn out to be is another matter all together.
 
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You are allowed to talk about whatever you want... and others are allowed to criticize you for your words.

It's called the First Amendment. A lawyer would know that :rolleyes:

I see. So your point today was just to be a sanctimonious troll. You've accomplished that.

The context of my statement was obvious. According to your view, what should we be talking about now?
 
That's not right either. But bullseye =/= crosshairs

well...the Left wing Daily Kos did say that Rep. Giffords had a bullseye on her District...

"Well, I'd argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week

Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)

Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bulls eye on their district."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568
 
Have there been any reports of who the other victims were?

I was about a mile from this when it happened.
 
This type of RIGHT-WING rhetoric has no place in US politics!!
Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bulls eye on their district."

How about just bullseye's??

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s use of red and white bullseyes to target Republican incumbents:

http://www.postonpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/dccc-target-map.jpg

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2010/...tricts-are-not-like-palins-crosshair-targets/

Yeah, okay. :rolleyes:

If any Republican politicians get attacked with a dart, we'll know who to blame.

In other news, several people were murdered. Maybe save your insensitive political bile for another time.
 
Haha, what? This is a bizarre statement.

The facts of the case are that a guy walked up to a crowd and started shooting. The material facts don't even appear to be in dispute.

We're discussing the potential motivations of the shooter and the political climate of the country.

There is nothing remotely inappropriate about this. I've sat around and had similar conversations with other lawyers thousands of times.

I think you're watched a little too much Law and Order or something. You seem to be inhabiting a fantasy world.

Then you are doing a piss-poor job of distinguishing the facts of the case. What exactly are the facts of the case, counselor?
 
Yeah his yt vid ends with "you can't make me believe in God" or something like that.

And that'll give the right a counter-point if he does turn out to be a huge tea-bagger.

"How could he possibly be a conservative? He was an atheist! No true conservative is an atheist!"

Then again, it doesn't really matter. I'm already dead inside from all of the political bickering in this thread and elsewhere.
 
I see. So your point today was just to be a sanctimonious troll. You've accomplished that.

The context of my statement was obvious. According to your view, what should we be talking about now?

Ummm... I don't know. Facts, perhaps?

Once again, would you care to list the facts of this incident, counselor?
 
Have there been any reports of who the other victims were?

The only one I've heard identified by name so far is John Roll, Chief Federal Judge for Arizona, and it has been confirmed that a 9 year old girl has also died (no name provided).

Apparently, Ms. Giffords has survived surgery and the Medical Director at University Medical Trauma says she was shot once in the head "through and through" and he's "optimistic" that she will survive, but cannot as yet make any prognosis regarding recovery.
 
How about just bullseye's??

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s use of red and white bullseyes to target Republican incumbents:

[qimg]http://www.postonpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/dccc-target-map.jpg[/qimg]

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2010/04/democrats-our-bullseye-targets-on-house-districts-are-not-like-palins-crosshair-targets/

NO! Jesus, what kind of words are you trying to put in my mouth?

NO, none of that crap should be in it! NONE OF IT!

Happy now?

And I'd be just as upset over this if a Republican had been shot. This is a horrible event, no matter who was involved. Get a freaking grip, could you?
 
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Then you are doing a piss-poor job of distinguishing the facts of the case. What exactly are the facts of the case, counselor?

The one's that are located in my post that you responded to. You can tune into the news and hear them for yourself.

They're not facts established beyond a reasonable doubt, but we're also not on a jury right now.

Are you worried that our discussion her could taint the jury pool?
 
Why do you keep tying to inject Palin into this with no evidence? Start a new thread if you want.

Here is a little circumstantial evidence that Palin or her people feel that they may have had some guilt in this. They took the damn sign down. Today. After the shooting. Is it suddenly less appropriate now? Or is it just in need of updating as it has a superfluous set of crosshairs on it now?
 

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