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Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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If a Juror makes the comment "it's possible she did it" and jurors were crying before the verdict was handed down, they must have had doubts.
 
George Clooney owns a villa in Laglio, Italy. I wonder what, if anything, mignini might try if the film is as unflattering to him as the book is.

The film, being a Hollywood movie, will presumably set Preston's interrogation as a climactic event and will portray Mignini as a malevolent authority who wants to suppress the truth. I just wish they would start shooting tomorrow.
 
Please show how 90% certainty of guilt translates to 10% chance of wrong conviction? They are two different things entirely, which was why I described this claim as a strawman. I think it is you who doesn't understand probability.

Sorry for the late reply but if there is a 90% chance of Knox being guilty then there is a 10% chance that she is innocent. Im baffled as to how this is not obvious.
 
hey all

with regard to the dispute over multiple bruises and injuries showing or not showing evidence of multiple attackers. it has been mentioned by some that multiple injuries can come from a lone attacker, which is quite true. the issue for me is that it wasnt just multiple injuries but injuries consistent with restraint by multiple attackers. certain places on the arms for example. is this right? it is almost certainly more complex than the "one bruise or many bruises" choice being laid out at any rate.

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All the evidence - the victim's injuries along with the bloodstains and other evidence in the room - indicates an attack carried out by one individual wielding a small knife in his right hand. It happened quickly, but not every injury was inflicted at the same moment. It is likely he grabbed her hard by the elbows to restrain her as he worked his way into a secure position behind her. At that point he held the knife to the right side of her neck and inflicted a couple of relatively light wounds. She tried to escape, moving diagonally across the room toward the desk, and in the process of recovering his grasp, he pulled out some of her hair. Then he threw her to her knees, straddled her from behind, got a solid purchase on her face with his left hand, plunged the knife up to the hilt in her neck, and pulled with savage force, to inflict a gaping, three-inch-long wound. That is exactly consistent with the bloodstain patterns on the floor and the wardrobe.

Take a look at this:
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry100.html

I spent a lot of time working with this guy. He has based every point of his reconstruction on tangible evidence from the crime scene and autopsy photos.

I have looked at autopsy photos from other cases, showing the damage a single assailant can cause in a frenzied attack. No one could ever say (and at the trial, no one did say) that the injuries done to Meredith Kercher were inconsistent with an attack by one person.

But, at the same time, one can offer rank speculation that cannot be conclusively disproven. That is what Massei did in his motivation document.
 
All the evidence - the victim's injuries along with the bloodstains and other evidence in the room - indicates an attack carried out by one individual wielding a small knife in his right hand. It happened quickly, but not every injury was inflicted at the same moment. It is likely he grabbed her hard by the elbows to restrain her as he worked his way into a secure position behind her. At that point he held the knife to the right side of her neck and inflicted a couple of relatively light wounds. She tried to escape, moving diagonally across the room toward the desk, and in the process of recovering his grasp, he pulled out some of her hair. Then he threw her to her knees, straddled her from behind, got a solid purchase on her face with his left hand, plunged the knife up to the hilt in her neck, and pulled with savage force, to inflict a gaping, three-inch-long wound. That is exactly consistent with the bloodstain patterns on the floor and the wardrobe.

Take a look at this:
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry100.html

I spent a lot of time working with this guy. He has based every point of his reconstruction on tangible evidence from the crime scene and autopsy photos.

I have looked at autopsy photos from other cases, showing the damage a single assailant can cause in a frenzied attack. No one could ever say (and at the trial, no one did say) that the injuries done to Meredith Kercher were inconsistent with an attack by one person.

But, at the same time, one can offer rank speculation that cannot be conclusively disproven. That is what Massei did in his motivation document.


A judge has already looked at this and concluded there were multiple attackers, his name was Judge Micheli - Bruce Fisher is anything but a judge. How can you compare the two?
 
Originally Posted by Poppy1016
If a Juror makes the comment "it's possible she did it" and jurors were crying before the verdict was handed down, they must have had doubts.
True, but obviously not reasonable doubt.

As Candace Dempsey noted, "it's possible she did it" is a rather unusual interpretation of "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Is it one that you would endorse?
 
A judge has already looked at this and concluded there were multiple attackers, his name was Judge Micheli - Bruce Fisher is anything but a judge. How can you compare the two?

He was talking about Ron Hendry, not Bruce Fisher. Hendry has more domain knowledge than Micheli.

So does Carlo Torre, as discussed earlier.
 
In Doug Preston’s book “The Monster of Florence” which he co-authored with Mario Spezi, he mentions in the afterword that the night of the murder (November 1st/2nd 2007) a male individual was seen by several witnesses washing himself of blood in a public fountain and screaming “I killed her…I killed her” over and over. Police and an ambulance were called, statements were taken, one article appeared the next day or the day after in the local newspaper. The person was held in a drug rehab hospital for apparently several weeks during which the Knox ‘story’ was developing. Then, nothing – nothing ever appeared about it again. I can’t believe Preston and Spezi just dreamed this up, so what happed…?

This incident really happened, but police did look into it and found it was a red herring that had nothing to do with the Meredith Kercher murder.
 
He was talking about Ron Hendry, not Bruce Fisher. Hendry has more domain knowledge than Micheli.

So does Carlo Torre, as discussed earlier.

A judge has already looked at this and concluded there were multiple attackers, his name was Judge Micheli - Ron Hendry is anything but a judge. How can you compare the two?

Better?
 
I would, too. So why don't you think Amanda and Raffaele would do the same?

Now that Kevin and John have been outed as not having read the Court's judgment with even minimal care, I suppose it comes as no surprise that someone who admits to 'not being a big reader' is in the same boat.

The reason Sollecito washed the knife, rather than disposing of it, is discussed by the Court here:

English translation, Page 375, last paragraph.

It is not 'rational' to dismiss the Court's reasoning as 'garbage' without first bothering to read it.
 
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A judge has already looked at this and concluded there were multiple attackers, his name was Judge Micheli - Ron Hendry is anything but a judge. How can you compare the two?

Better?

So, Judge Micheli's is qualified to do what? Judge Micheli went to school for what?
 
Now that Kevin and John have been outed as not having read the Court's judgment with even minimal care, I suppose it comes as no surprise that someone who admits to 'not being a big reader' is in the same boat.

The reason Sollecito washed the knife is discussed by the Court here:

English translation, Page 375, last paragraph.

It is not 'rational' to dismiss the Court's reasoning as 'garbage' without first bothering to read it.

Who testified or what evidence was presented to determine Sollecito washed the knife? Saying the knife was washed is one thing. Where is the proof? I mean sure the knife is clean, so their is reason to believe its been washed in the past. Yet, when you are talking about a knife that is supposed to be covered in blood, the questions you need to answer are: What was it cleaned with and how is it possible the dna wasn't destroyed but all evidence that there was blood EVER on the knife is destroyed. Where was it cleaned at? Sollecito's kitchen sink is broken.
 
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A judge has already looked at this and concluded there were multiple attackers, his name was Judge Micheli - Ron Hendry is anything but a judge. How can you compare the two?

Better?

No. Hendry is an accident reconstruction expert, which makes him more knowledgeable than a judge about such matters. If one is going to believe Micheli over Hendry, one should have very good reasons, including an excellent explanation of how Hendry could have been fooled.
 
A judge has already looked at this and concluded there were multiple attackers, his name was Judge Micheli - Ron Hendry is anything but a judge. How can you compare the two?

Better?

Micheli is a bureaucrat with interests to tend. Hendry and Torre are forensic experts.

Blind faith in the authorities may help you sleep better at night, but it will also lead you to believe things that aren't true.
 
No. Hendry is an accident reconstruction expert, which makes him more knowledgeable than a judge about such matters. If one is going to believe Micheli over Hendry, one should have very good reasons, including an excellent explanation of how Hendry could have been fooled.

I highly doubt that - one has all the evidence and the other has the tabloids to read - did Hendry travel to Purgia and was he given exclusive rights to all the required evidence - I don't think so, the Judge was. How could anyone even remotely argue this?
 
I highly doubt that - one has all the evidence and the other has the tabloids to read - did Hendry travel to Purgia and was he given exclusive rights to all the required evidence - I don't think so, the Judge was. How could anyone even remotely argue this?

Was the defense given exclusive right to all the evidence? Are you saying the judge saw evidence that the Defense didnt? Heck the defense couldn't get the judge to force the prosecution to turn over a copy of the dna data files.
 
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I highly doubt that - one has all the evidence and the other has the tabloids to read - did Hendry travel to Purgia and was he given exclusive rights to all the required evidence - I don't think so, the Judge was. How could anyone even remotely argue this?

What evidence regarding the forensics did you think he was missing which would prevent him from making his analysis?
 
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