Merged Retracted autism study an 'elaborate fraud'

[Kid Eager]

But you don't believe all that rubbish do you? Of course they will say that? These criminals are responsible for destroying the lives of millions of people. They are the reason that kids are being filled with drugs for ADD, and mothers are still grieving their babies that have died of SIDS. What else are they going to come up with? Surely you would understand that they are way up to their eyeballs now and are not about to back down.

Is that a rherotical question, or would you like an answer to fill in the time whilst you get some mud for your strawman?

 

[lionking]

I'm talking about the government and medical establishment of course. I don't understand this anti-vaxxer business myself. I mean vaccination is an okay concept. But you don't need to jack three shades of Mercury into kids and then pretend that it wasn't you who killed them or hurt their brain.

Right now a campaign is afoot to reign in coal power on the grounds of the Mercury plumes they produce. And it remains a fact that the closer you are to a coal power station the more likely your boy is to have autism.

So the government is poisoning people with pasteurized milk and vaccines?

 

[Aepervius]

what the heck are you speaking about ? The mercury organic compound (thiomersal) have been withdrawn from children vaccine for at least 10 , maybe by now 15 years as a precaution. And there wasn't the *********** blimp of an impact on autism or any other children health effect. AFAIR Subsequent study also had shown that the potential health effect was beyond negligible.

And frankly if i remember the quantity correctly, you almost certainly eat more mercury with some type of Tuna fish than you will ever get if a lifetime of vaccination was pure mercury instead of organo metalic compound.

As for austistic kid near coal station : evidence ?

 

[Chodorov]

what the heck are you speaking about ? The mercury organic compound (thiomersal) have been withdrawn from children vaccine for at least 10 ,

Why? And are you claiming that there are no kids, older than ten, who have autism?

Is that your claim?

You have no logic do you?

Try again and this time with logic.

So are you claiming that there is no child over 10 who has autism? In fact they keep on putting the Mercury back into vaccines. But thats an whole other story.

 

[quadraginta]

I flipped by CNN a couple of times this evening to see Wakefield being interviewed by Anderson Cooper as advertised but couldn't force myself to watch the other stuff. I'll wait for the YouTube thingy.

Could Wakefield possibly be more of a scumbag? He spent almost all his interviewing time trying to sell a book!

I listened to it. He did manage to fit in a few claims of "It's all lies." and "It's all a conspiracy between Big Pharma and every clinician in the world." in between those plugs.

The sad part is that the entire time I was listening to that slime-ball I knew that he was going to sell more books and reinforce the "conspiracy" meme with every word he said.

Bless Anderson Cooper for trying, but the brain dead morons who still believe that bastard's's ******** aren't going to be swayed by any of this. Every added detail exposing him is just another proof of the conspiracy.

 

[Chodorov]

And frankly if i remember the quantity correctly, you almost certainly eat more mercury with some type of Tuna fish than you will ever get if a lifetime of vaccination was pure mercury instead of organo metalic compound.
n : evidence ?

The guilt of the public service doesn't bottom out. Since naturally if you knew it was Mercury that was your problem, and the problem of your children, then of course you would be at pains to avoid that Mercury.

 

[Craig4]

I'm talking about the government and medical establishment of course. I don't understand this anti-vaxxer business myself. I mean vaccination is an okay concept. But you don't need to jack three shades of Mercury into kids and then pretend that it wasn't you who killed them or hurt their brain.

Right now a campaign is afoot to reign in coal power on the grounds of the Mercury plumes they produce. And it remains a fact that the closer you are to a coal power station the more likely your boy is to have autism.

You have some studies to this effect? I'm asking about real peer reviewed studies with controls of course.

 

[Chodorov]

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The sad part is that the entire time I was listening to that slime-ball I knew that he was going to sell more books and reinforce the "conspiracy" meme with every word he said.

He's not the slimeball. He's trying to stop babies entire lives being ruined by this scandal. The thing is its not too late for everyone. If they knew it was Mercury that was their problem they could be told, the coverup could end, and they could get to it with replacing Mercury with healthier trace metals.

 

[Chodorov]

You have some studies to this effect? I'm asking about real peer reviewed studies with controls of course.

Studies on Mercury poisoning abound. And clearly the symptoms are the same as for autism-spectrum disease, depending only on the age of the victim of Mercury poisoning.

 

[Chodorov]

Hang on a minute? Controls? What? You want to poison kids with Mercury just to find out what we already know about Mercury poisoning?

The urgent matter is for the poisoning to stop. Its not just full-blown autism. Its SIDS, ADD, Aspergers. They may not seem like bad problems to you. But they are lives ruined, and heartbreak.

 

[Craig4]

Studies on Mercury poisoning abound. And clearly the symptoms are the same as for autism-spectrum disease, depending only on the age of the victim of Mercury poisoning.

Great so are there studies to indicate mercury poisoning from vaccines has caused cases that presented like autism but were really mercury poisoning?

 

[Chodorov]

Great so are there studies to indicate mercury poisoning from vaccines has caused cases that presented like autism but were really mercury poisoning?

Well yes of course. The vaccines have Mercury, and some of the kids get autism. And when they don't get Mercury vaccines, then fewer of them get autism. Then when the authorities sneak the Mercury back in, more kids get autism and then they say ..... You see .... more kids are getting autism .... So it could not have been the Mercury that we had before.

This has some ways to go as ethical behavior. Particularly when everyone knows that Mercury is a nerve (and therefore a brain) poison.

 

[Chodorov]

There is this myth going around that Thiomersal (or however you spell it) is less toxic then Mercury. This is not the case. Its far more toxic then Mercury. The traditional way we get metals to stop from passing straight through the body is to attach them to proteins or other molecules. The metal itself would never do anywhere near that amount of harm.

 

[Kid Eager]

Well yes of course. The vaccines have Mercury, and some of the kids get autism. And when they don't get Mercury vaccines, then fewer of them get autism. Then when the authorities sneak the Mercury back in, more kids get autism and then they say ..... You see .... more kids are getting autism .... So it could not have been the Mercury that we had before.

This has some ways to go as ethical behavior. Particularly when everyone knows that Mercury is a nerve (and therefore a brain) poison.

In that case you won't have trouble quoting or linking them, will you.

Just in case that's not clear and you try another deflection: studies linking *vaccination* to autism as the causal agent.

 

[Capsid]

Well it's an epic fail by the poster when they mention mercury in vaccines causing autism in a thread about frigging MMR!

MMR never had thiomersal in it. How many times does this have to be said?

 

[Chodorov]

MMR? Who mentioned MMR. Whats the matter with you? Too busy to spell out things? Have to go for abbreviations every time? No-one mentioned MMR.

 

[Chodorov]

In that case you won't have trouble quoting or linking them, will you.

Just in case that's not clear and you try another deflection: studies linking *vaccination* to autism as the causal agent.

Why would you want those? We already know what Mercury poisoning does. And its not like the government is going to fund studies that gets them in trouble. Its not a hard gig to figure out that if you jack babies with Mercury it will have the effects that Mercury has. Its not complicated.

 

[Kid Eager]

Why would you want those? We already know what Mercury poisoning does. And its not like the government is going to fund studies that gets them in trouble. Its not a hard gig to figure out that if you jack babies with Mercury it will have the effects that Mercury has. Its not complicated.

obvious troll is becoming too obvious.

 

[quadraginta]

MMR? Who mentioned MMR. Whats the matter with you? Too busy to spell out things? Have to go for abbreviations every time? No-one mentioned MMR.

Maybe you need to check out the topic of the thread and do a bit of research before you get too righteous.

The retracted autism study mentioned in the OP was one which specifically addressed the MMR vaccine. Wakefield (the slime-ball) himself has said quite clearly that it was that vaccine in particular that he was finding fault with, and not others.

Of course it is pure coincidence that he was working on a competing vaccine, and did his study with the financial backing of a law firm which was undertaking suits against the manufacturers of the vaccine he didn't like, but that is a separate discussion.

If you don't understand the relevance of MMR to this thread then you really shouldn't be too certain of the authority behind the claims you are making. No one else is going to be.

 

[Daylightstar]

...
No-one mentioned MMR.

Four times in the linked article, and in this thread before Capsid, Michael Mozina:

Ya know...

The bad part of something like this is that even though this study has now been completely discredited, there are folks that still believe that MMR is responsible for or at least linked to autism.