Who started both World Wars?

[Hans]

Hmmmm has anyone noted that 9/11 is claiming that:

The Jews controlled America

The Jews controlled Communism

.....so why was there a 'cold war'?

9/11 lives in a very puzzling freaky world! LOL

 

[VonKleist]

You say this without providing links. Let's assume it is true, in a big country like the USSR you can find every opinion you want. It is far more interesting what the Great Leader wants. And that is this:

Can't be arsed to find links for you I'm afraid.

I'm sure it interests you what the Great Leader wanted, it is however entirely irrelevant if what he wanted was impossible. Namely the ability of the Red Army to conduct a major offensive operation in 1941.

However, if you believe such a plan was in serious consideration, a coupla questions:

How many 'army groups' were there to be?
What were the starting points and objectives of each army group?

 

[Dave Rogers]

This is so unbelievable hypocritial... Dave is from a country that was the largest coloniser of them all, yet our Dave has the audacity to moralize those who have far smaller empires than Albion.

It took you over two weeks to reply to this? You must be a very slow reader.

Now, please point out a few examples of my having defended British colonialism, and you might have a position to argue.

Dave

 

[VonKleist]

However, if you believe such a plan was in serious consideration, a coupla questions:

How many 'army groups' were there to be?
What were the starting points and objectives of each army group?

Actually, don't bother. I forgot that conspiracy theorists are unconcerned by copyright issues so I can just read what Rezun has to say and get it from the organ grinder.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Back to the decision to drop the bombs on Japan:

It was Byrne who was behind the decission to drop the bomb, against any military necessity and against the advice of the highest ranking military men:

Truman was convinced and the 1945 Potsdam Declaration in its draft stage did contain such a proviso; however, at Byrne's urging it was deleted before its transmission to Japan and the world. Byrnes did not want the war to end just yet; his policy was to continue the war long enough to employ both types of bombs and in as bloody and impressive a way as possible to have a psychological effect upon the Russians.

Here is the list of people opposing using the bomb:

Advice and opinion relayed to Truman from US Army Generals Marshall, Eisenhower, and MacArthur, US Army Air Force Generals Le May, Spaatz, and Arnold, from US Navy Admirals Nimitz, Leahy, and King, Secretary of the Navy Forrestal, Secretary of War Stimson, Secretary of State Stettinius and Acting Secretary of State Grew—and many others—were a solid collective voice to Truman to not use the bomb, not invade Japan, to formulate America's war aims and soften 'unconditional surrender' in something more acceptable to Japan. Such voices had largely convinced the president until Jimmy F. Byrnes's decisive influence on Truman reversed his view and re-oriented policy along harder lines.

The usage of the bomb had no other purpose than to impress the Soviets and scare the hell out of them:

American leaders with this 'big stick' in hand, would 'control' the Russians and achieve American goals around the world. This was the essential reasoning of Byrnes in his formulation of American foreign policy, and Truman became convinced.

The Americans were focussed on the Soviets and nothing else. Japan was a secondary entity:

The reports duly came in that the results were even greater than anticipated. Truman immediately took a harder line with the Russians and made the final decision to use the bomb on Japan—and regardless of surrender possibilities, loss of life, or any moral or ethical considerations—even regardless of the continued near-unanimous advice of his military and political leaders to not use the bomb and to accept Japan's surrender.

America achieved nothing by it. The Soviets did what they wanted to do anyway and soon the Cold War started. The 2 alllies who intentionally had set out to destroy Europe, now went after each other's throat for global supremacy.

And then the summit of Anglo hypocrasy:

Only days after Hiroshima, the August 8 1945 treaty was signed in London which established the legal basis for the Nuremberg and Tokyo War Crimes trials. A day later, Nagasaki too was bombed. No American military or political leader has ever been prosecuted for these crimes, while many Germans and Japanese were tried, convicted, and executed for far less serious actions.

Byrnes later tried to shift the blame for taking the decision to others. But in the end it was him who set the world on a possible terminal path.

 

[MG1962]

Back to the decision to drop the bombs on Japan:

Rather than move to revisiting other issues I would much rather get the question of a Jewish revolution and Stalins response to it settled to everyones satisfaction.

 

[Hans]

Yes another attempt by 9/11 to escape from intellectual cul de sacs of his own creation

 

[Corsair 115]

Rather than move to revisiting other issues...

Particularly since the previous discussion of those issues were dealt with in-depth and our intrepid investigator often failed to reply to posts which substantively undermined, if not outright demolished, his positions.

It would seem the investigator thinks by repeating the same things over yet again it will somehow make them real this time...

 

[Tolls]

Rather than move to revisiting other issues I would much rather get the question of a Jewish revolution and Stalins response to it settled to everyones satisfaction.

Dancing and dodging is his only option.

Well, that or actually admit he's wrong...and that really isn't likely to happen.

 

[TSR]

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But but but -- *this* time, niney has a completely unsourced bunch of assertions from an unabashed racist who happens to reinforce zir hate!





No, wait. That's all zie has ever had.
.

 

[Hans]

Particularly since the previous discussion of those issues were dealt with in-depth and our intrepid investigator often failed to reply to posts which substantively undermined, if not outright demolished, his positions.

It would seem the investigator thinks by repeating the same things over yet again it will somehow make them real this time...

It seems to have worked on him......LOL

 

[9/11-investigator]

This post was triggered by this Daily Mail article which refers to this book:

The more I study myself into the history of WW2 the more I start to suspect that US-Soviet coordination against Germany had started way before 1939 and that the Jew William Bullitt, Roosevelt's man in Moscow from 1933, probably was the main organizer of this (yet hypothetical) coorperation.

A new revisionist viewpoint is that Roosevelt was informed about the secret annex to the Molotov-Ribbentrop accord only hours after the signing of the treaty, by a traitor in the German ambassy in Moscow. Now, if Roosevelt really would have been concerned about Polish independence, he immediately would have warned the Poles that a division of Poland was immanent. But he did nothing of the sort. Instead he encouraged the Poles not to give in to German demands, suggesting Anglo support for them, which was a lie. This means that Roosevelt was satisfied with the treaty and fitted in his own plans for Europe.

Now, what would be speaking against it that the US and their big friend USSR (the US was the first in diplomatically recognizing this murderous regime as soon as the Dutch Jew Roosevelt came to power in 1933) had some unofficial agreement (sort of Jalta avant la lettre), not including Britain, that foolishly stil was engaged in classical European balance-of-power politics, to carve up Europe amongst them. A little fire side chat between Bullitt and Stalin in 1934 would suffice for this purpose.

And now we have fire brand and very Aryan Patton, with more courage than brains, who did not early enough entirely look through Washington politics, and liked the Germans much more than these greasy Soviets; Patton wanted to capture Berlin first and even battle the Soviets until the gates of Moscow as a sort of Dolfie-2.

Washington was not interested and got rid of this inconvenient fellow the hard way. That's the story and I am buying.

My presumption is that Roosevelt and Stalin had decided to foment war in Europe between Germany and France/Britain way back in the thirties in order to carve up mother Europe and take it's leading role and morphe towards a bipolar NWO. This had been bolshevik strategy since the twenties. The new probable insight is that Roosevelt joined that strategy from the beginning of his government. Communist strategy was global Jewish strategy. The Roosevelt government was Jewish dominated, hence they naturally joined the USSR in it's strategic goals.

The history of WW1 had shown that Germany alone could beat 3 out of these 4 {Britain, France, USA, Russia} but not all 4 of them (clearly making Germany the core of the white race). The American Jewish mob around Roosevelt maneuvered France/Britain into war over a side issue (Poland) of no importance to them. The US and USSR probably had already decided in advance to join the show to their own advantage. Nuremberg was organized to finish off Germany (and the White Race) morally and prepare a Jewish led NWO. So far we have a Jewish lead Anglosphere.

A Jewish lead NWO will not happen because:

- the Jews made the colossal blunder of supporting the crypto antisemite Putin as the successor for Jelzin, moving Russia into the (latent) anti-US camp
- rise internet, exposing holocaust and J-power in Anglosphere
- 9/11 blunder carried out 3 months before the explosion of blogosphere
- world is running out of resources; these resources being an absolute condition of a global NWO in the first place.
- growing US-Chinese rivalry in the Pacific (US fleet already neutered by Chinese missiles); fleets are obsolete in the 21st century anyway. What counts is airpower and missiles and a population not concentrated in a few big towns.

 

[Tolls]

Oh look, he's splurging more nonsense in the hopes we'll forget about all the other fails that he's not addressed.

I'm shocked...

 

[Rich_C]

Now, if Roosevelt really would have been concerned about Polish independence, he immediately would have warned the Poles that a division of Poland was immanent.

Because giving in to German demands worked so well for Czechoslovakia in 1938.

Didn't you bring up Bullitt back in August and get smacked down then?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Didn't you bring up Bullitt back in August and get smacked down then?

You 'forgot' to add a link to that August post.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Oh look, he's splurging more nonsense in the hopes we'll forget about all the other fails that he's not addressed.

I'm shocked...

I write a beauty of a post, rich in content and potentially earth shattering and guess what my opponents come up with: a one line smear.

No surprises here.

Pearls for the swines, if the JREF mods let me get away with this saying.

 

[uke2se]

You 'forgot' to add a link to that August post.

Your poor grasp on the English language is acting up again. He asked you a question.

On the other hand, I thought question marks existed in the Dutch language as well. Perhaps you just have a poor grasp on languages in general.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Rather than move to revisiting other issues I would much rather get the question of a Jewish revolution and Stalins response to it settled to everyones satisfaction.

I want that too for obvious propagandistic reasons. Not sure what you wanted to know again, but while I wait for a pointer to your question here is the list of names + ethnicity of those that constituted the backbone of the revolution:

http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

Source: Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent of The Times. In 1920 he published a book in French, Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs, which gave the racial background of all the members of the Soviet government.

The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows:

NAME-------------------NATIONALITY
Bronstein (Trotsky)---Jew
Apfelbaum (Zinovief)-Jew
Lourie (Larine)--------Jew
Ouritski-----------------Jew
Volodarski--------------Jew
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef)-Jew
Smidovitch-------------Jew
Sverdlof (Yankel)------Jew
Nakhamkes (Steklof)--Jew
Ulyanov (Lenin)--------Russian
Krylenko----------------Russian
Lounatcharski----------Russian

Lenin was 1/4 Jew btw.
Verify in the linked article that the next body, The Council of the People's Commissars, was also nearly exclusively Jewish, as well as the members of the Central Executive Committee.

Communism/Bolshevism was Jewish, as even Churchill admitted in the early twenties. Only fundamental dishonest people point to the fact (as parotted by Zionist-friendly editted wikipedia) that within the Bolshevik party of 10,000 members only 364 members were Jewish.

Edited by kmortis: 

Removed personal attacks

Wikipedia:

On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 10,000 members, of whom 364 were ethnic Jews.

 

[uke2se]

And we're back to last month. My only consolation in the obvious frustration of never getting anywhere in this "debate" is that Nein11 must be at least equally frustrated over being proven wrong time and time again, never getting closer to achieving that propaganda victory he so desperately craves.

 

[9/11-investigator]

And we're back to last month. My only consolation in the obvious frustration of never getting anywhere in this "debate" is that Nein11 must be at least equally frustrated over being proven wrong time and time again, never getting closer to achieving that propaganda victory he so desperately craves.

Fascinating, this psychologizing by our friend, who opines that he is Swedish.

Any argument against 'Jewish communism'? No?

Before you make any, check this first:

http://www.sunray22b.net/bolshevik_revolution.htm
http://www.sunray22b.net/jews_and_the_revolution.htm

I mean, if my opponents cannot refute the idea of 'Jewish communism', then they implicitly justify Dolfies behaviour. After all, who can tolerate Bolshevism? Not even the Americans did that after 1948.