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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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I wonder, if one were to take a poll, how many people on this forum have:

A) Used marijuana/cocaine
B) Received a ticket from the police
C) Carried a pocketknife
D) Watched pornography of a perverse nature (some might even deem all pornography as perverse)
E) Been characterized as shy/introvert

Oops. Forgot to add:

F) made a racial/ethnic slur
 
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RoseMontague said:
As a matter of fact RWVBWL, please consider this my answer to your post as well. I would hope that you consider animals to be capable of feelings, emotions, and some type of rational thinking. They know hurt and love and loyalty, in my opinion. Please rethink your position on this and talk to your friend about it as well.
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Well put Rose - and I totally agree with you as well.
 
capealadin said:
In as much as posters here, may disagree with my views, and not even like me, I would be very surprised if anyone here comes out and endorses your post, and finds it ok on any level. If that IS the case, you may be sure I will be long gone.
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I find all of RWVBWL's posts okay, because I appreciate the way he is so generous in openly sharing the details of his life and how it has influenced his creative point of view. I think his posts should be bound into a book and published; that's how much I like reading them. He has a great heart.

He had a point to make with his post, and it wasn't to encourage people to watch animal porn. Kaosium made a similar point about the US Navy the other day.

Malkmus asked the right questions at 12:43.
 
RoseMontague said:
Rather than being so critical, why don't you try to change his mind about this. I would mention my love of animals and also I consider this type of thing to be an abuse on an innocent being. I think the people in these videos don't consider animals to be thinking, feeling creatures as I do. Perhaps he may change his mind and have a talk with his friend as well.

As a matter of fact RWVBWL, please consider this my answer to your post as well. I would hope that you consider animals to be capable of feelings, emotions, and some type of rational thinking. They know hurt and love and loyalty, in my opinion. Please rethink your position on this and talk to your friend about it as well.
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Hello RoseMontague,
Thank you for your note!

My luv of animals has nothing to do with my post. And I am sorry if it does not show.
Do you not notice the different animals I usually post in my avatars?
I feed the seagulls almost daily, heck some even eat outta my hand. I rescue bumble bees and lady bugs from drowning as I sit in my kayak waitng to see a Great White Shark breach..,

What I do not do is lay my judgment on most people I know, unless I am asked for my opinion.
I will never tell a lesbian friend that my old pastor finds her lifestyle disgusting, or that she shouldn't do this or that. Unless I am asked.

But I do come into this debate with a lot of different knowledge gained from the streets, and meeting the huuuge variety of people that I've had, for the most part, the pleasure to have met. That helps me formulate my opinions in this brutal, bloody murder case we discuss.

I sometimes mention bloody. For it surely was...
I'm reminded of a party I had about 8 years ago, some 50-75 people.
"Jimmy" kept pervin' on a some hot gal, whose boyfriend was named "Rico". A coupla hours later, I was told to get my *** into the kitchen, "Jimmy" had pulled a huge kitchen knife out from its holder and was threating "Rico" with it. Blood was everywhere. I thought someone had been stabbed. Nope, "Rico" had just clocked "Jimmy" in the face, blood flew and he had grabbed the knife, similiar to the supposed murder weapon that killed Meredith Kercher, and he then kept "Rico" from further harming him.
I had to calm everyone down and get him to drop the knife, which he did. Apologies were accepted, "Jimmy" even cleaned up his bloody mess before he split.
The 5 or so of us in the kitchen all had blood on our shoes, some on their clothes...

Because of this experience, and many others,
I believe that Rudy Guede, BUT NOT Raffaele Sollecito or Amanda Knox were in Meredith Kercher's bedroom the night she was brutally, bloodily murdered...
Peace, RWVBWL

PS-I'm sorry to have derailed the conversation. We are all human, with each of us having our own faults.
But how many of you personally knew a friend who, without a doubt murdered someone before?
The faults of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito DO NOT, in my humble opinion, give them the strength to actually take that knife and stab Meredith Kercher again and again in her throat...
 
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capealadin said:
Your post has NOTHING to do with Amanda. It has to do with your post about your friends, and the kind of people you hang with.

None of us are G-D, so if he loves everyone, he can forgive. Do you believe in Hell? Because that's where people like this should be sent to.

I hate what Amanda has DONE!! That includes Rudy, and Raffaele. What does it say about YOU, that you befriend people of this ilk? Disgusting.
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I can think of no greater difference in evidence than that which exists between the cases of Guede and Amanda/Raffaele. If the pro-guilters can't see the difference, then justice is absolutely hopeless. However, one by one they have at least come around to the realization that Guede has much more evidence against him than the other two. After all, a bloody palmprint at the scene of the murder is, and always has been, totally damming.
 
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capealadin said:
In as much as posters here, may disagree with my views, and not even like me, I would be very surprised if anyone here comes out and endorses your post, and finds it ok on any level. If that IS the case, you may be sure I will be long gone.
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RWVBWL, your post is OK on every level :D!

Let's hope it works. Unfortunately I'm quite sure it won't :)
 
The prosecutors are guilty of slander in this statement:

Prosecutors said Sollecito and Guede held Kercher down while Knox stabbed her after she rebuffed sexual advances.
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There is no evidence or testimony for 1,2 or 3.

1) Prosecutors said Sollecito and Guede held Kercher down
2) while Knox stabbed her
3) after she rebuffed sexual advances

Of course the prosecutors are more or less in an Ivory tower.
Too bad...
 
RWVBWL said:
Hello RoseMontague,
Thank you for your note!

My luv of animals has nothing to do with my post. And I am sorry if it does not show.
Do you not notice the different animals I usually post in my avatars?
I feed the seagulls almost daily, heck some even eat outta my hand. I rescue bumble bees and lady bugs from drowning as I sit in my kayak waitng to see a Great White Shark breach..,

What I do not do is lay my judgment on most people I know, unless I am asked for my opinion.
I will never tell a lesbian friend that my old pastor finds her lifestyle disgusting, or that she shouldn't do this or that. Unless I am asked.

But I do come into this debate with a lot of different knowledge gained from the streets, and meeting the huuuge variety of people that I've had, for the most part, the pleasure to have met. That helps me formulate my opinions in this brutal, bloody murder case we discuss.

I sometimes mention bloody. For it surely was...
I'm reminded of a party I had about 8 years ago, some 50-75 people.
"Jimmy" kept pervin' on a some hot gal, whose boyfriend was named "Rico". A coupla hours later, I was told to get my *** into the kitchen, "Jimmy" had pulled a huge kitchen knife out from its holder and was threating "Rico" with it. Blood was everywhere. I thought someone had been stabbed. Nope, "Rico" had just clocked "Jimmy" in the face, blood flew and he had grabbed the knife, similiar to the supposed murder weapon that killed Meredith Kercher, and he then kept "Rico" from further harming him.
I had to calm everyone down and get him to drop the knife, which he did. Apologies were accepted, "Jimmy" even cleaned up his bloody mess before he split.
The 5 or so of us in the kitchen all had blood on our shoes, some on their clothes...

Because of this experience, and many others,
I believe that Rudy Guede, BUT NOT Raffaele Sollecito or Amanda Knox were in Meredith Kercher's bedroom the night she was brutally, bloodily murdered...
Peace, RWVBWL
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I am glad to hear that and I believe you. I also agree with Mary_H on the vast majority of your posts.
 
RWVBWL said:
People do as they are, some good, some bad...
I'm friends with homeless bums, hardcore junkies, straight A college graduates, doctors, lawyers, police officers, undercover cops, drug dealers, church pastors, and have known a guy who did commit murder...

Amanda Knox, whose only brush with the law is she had a ticket issued for a noise violation at a party she and her housemates hosted or Raffaele Sollecito, who watched an animal porn clip before and smoked pot or did a little harder partyin' are sooo far away from the type of people who would commit a brutal murder by stabbing a young woman in her throat again and again as blood spurted out of the wound that it boggles my mind to see very intelligent folks, such as yourself, CapeAladin, focus your hatred of this incident on usually only 1 person...
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I have explained to you, that I hate the FACT of what they did. And please understand THIS. Many people, who have never committed previous crimes, do commit murder. This has been pointed out many times previously, so there is no need to revisit the many instances. You are the one harping on hatred. this crime is not about one person. Raffaele and Rudi are equally responsible. This thread is about Amanda Knox. Nobody here talks much about Raff and Rudi. As you very well know. Only when it pertains to Amanda.

I shall leave it to others to decide about your choice of friends, and how you approve of their actions. I don't believe too many people will be rushing out to watch bestiality, and face of death videos. But to each their own.
 
quadraginta said:
I believe you may have missed my point entirely. ("The whooshing sound you hear is ...")

I'm not making any claims about the similarity of the cases, or about the characters involved. I have no interest in advocating Anthony's innocence or guilt.

No claims but one, that is. My point is very simply that the same sort of arguments and appeals which are offered here in Knox's defense could be just as easily be used to argue for Anthony's.

How persuasive those arguments might be would depend largely on the mindset and preconceptions of the listener, as can also be seen here.

As I said before, if the very same approach to the standards of "reasonable doubt" and "safety" of a conviction that are used by some in these debates were as meticulously applied to the Anthony case then it would not be difficult to assemble a case in her favor.

Sadly for her, it is unlikely that those will be the standards of "reasonable doubt" which she will confront when her trial finally comes around.

There are some similarities to be gleaned from that, as well.
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The persuasiveness of the argument should be based on whether the argument is logical, rational and valid. Someone who is truly interested in listening dispassionately will be persuaded by logic, reason and facts -- mindset and preconceptions be damned.

If this debate and all of the debates about this case were fact-checked, moderated and evaluated by expert judges, the debate would have been over long ago. It is only because there is some reward for each of the participants in this free-form style of engagement that it endures.

The people who are arguing for Amanda and Raffaele are not lawyers who have to argue for any client who pays them, regardless of guilt or innocence. We would argue for another defendant only if we were as sure of the other defendant's innocence as we are of Amanda's, and if we had as much research and knowledge backing up our case.
 
Mary H, Katody and Rose. As you all seem to enjoy Rw's posts, and as Mary and Katody see nothing wrong with RW's points of view, you may be sure that it has worked. I will never post or read here again.
 
capealadin said:
Mary H, Katody and Rose. As you all seem to enjoy Rw's posts, and as Mary and Katody see nothing wrong with RW's points of view, you may be sure that it has worked. I will never post or read here again.
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I am sorry to hear that, capealadin. I hope the coming year is a good one for you.
 
SomeAlibi said:
The quote about not being able to roll a joint is in Rudy's not Raffaele's diary.

If the use of LSD and coke referred to in the trial did not come from Amanda's testimony, and a thin air fabrication, why has Raffaele's counsel not appealed it?
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Because it's not in the motivation? Why do you think Massei didn't include it?
 
capealadin said:
Mary H, Katody and Rose. As you all seem to enjoy Rw's posts, and as Mary and Katody see nothing wrong with RW's points of view, you may be sure that it has worked. I will never post or read here again.
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CapeAladin,
Please accept my apology.
The intent of my posting was to show that I, RWVBWL, even have a friend that I sometimes see who is beautiful, as Amanda Knox is too, who also does smoke pot, as Amanda Knox did, and who also watched a video clip as Raffaele did too.
I didn't feel the need to mention that I, and most others, find it demeaning and sickly perverted.

However, this person has never commited any serious crimes, as far as I know, and is a fairly respectable person, by all accounts.
And she would be not be a woman capable of taking a knife and stabbing a friend in the throat, no matter how high she got. Or if $450.00 was missing. Or if a she had got slightly de-moted at a part time job she worked at. Or if a housemate was mad at her because she didn't clean the toilet properly...

Amanda Knox is, by all accounts a decent person, as I am and you, CapeAladin are too.
If she was even there that night, she would have had sooo much time to realize what she was involved in was wrong. And stop it. As would Raffaele Sollecito.

As did Rudy Guede.
But don't get me started on Rudy, for he was surely there that night,
and as I sometimes save bummble bees and lady bugs that were blown out to sea from drowning,
I wonder, how come Rudy did not call anyone for help as Meredith Kercher lay dying on her bedroom floor with her life's blood spilling onto the floor?
 
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RWVBWL said:
CapeAladin,
Please accept my apology.
The intent of my posting was to show that I, RWVBWL, even have a friend that I sometimes see who is beautiful, as Amanda Knox is too, who also does smoke pot, as Amanda Knox did, and who also watched a video clip as Raffaele did too.
I didn't feel the need to mention that I, and most others, find it demeaning and sickly perverted.

However, this person has never commited any serious crimes, as far as I know, and is a fairly respectable person, by all accounts.
And she would be not be a woman capable of taking a knife and stabbing a friend in the throat, no matter how high she got. Or if $450.00 was missing. Or if a she had got slightly de-moted at a part time job she worked at. Or if a housemate was mad at her because she didn't clean the toilet properly...
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RWVBWL, that's how most of us get your post. Can't see how it could be sensibly interpreted in any other way.
 
Hi all,
LoverofZion had posted that (s)he believes that Amanda Knox was in the apartment with her hands covering her ears as an African male sexually assaulted Meredith Kercher and then she heard Meredith's screams.

Why wouldn't Amanda have just run out of the apartment?

Hearing a blood curdling scream that even Nara Capezzali heard thru double paned windows would have been an incredibly frightening experience.
If she had went into the bedroom the shock of seeing all that blood would have been revolting.

If I recall, afterwards all Rudy Guede could see, when he closed his eyes, was red, and he had to get away.
But Amanda Knox stayed?
 
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Katody Matrass said:
RWVBWL, that's how most of us get your post. Can't see how it could be sensibly interpreted in any other way.
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LOL,
Thanks for reminding me, Katody. RWVBWL, I apologize. As Katody said, I should have know better just from your history of posts.

I hope capealadin will reconsider. It is good to have a place where both sides debate the issue and it seems the side believing in guilt is growing smaller.
 
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