The Skeleton Key to Mystical Interpretation

No, I haven't.

It would be good to become familiar with the actual established facts about his character and teachings, instead of second hand speculation on what his intent was. Although it could be possible that he was unaware or unconscious of what he was being told to write.
 
There are several basis, which I have already mentioned in this thread. the comparative fields and the study of esoterica. If the Prophet was a mystic, then there was an extra layer. Its unavoidable, its the nature of mysticism.
You are assuming that the Prophet was a mystic.

But if he was someone who, as the Quran says, told the plain unhidden truth then he would not be a mystic.

That is also unavoidable - it is the definition of mysticism.
 
You are assuming that the Prophet was a mystic.

But if he was someone who, as the Quran says, told the plain unhidden truth then he would not be a mystic.

That is also unavoidable - it is the definition of mysticism.

And if he didn't live by those principles and messages himself.
 
But Zanders, you aren't qualified to understand esoteric truths yet. You are not a mystic, and you have not spent years studying the relevant fields. Until then, I recommend that you try not to judge one way or the other.
If someone called himself a scientist and spent years studying scientific texts, would that imply he even knew one thing about science?
 
It would be good to become familiar with the actual established facts about his character and teachings, instead of second hand speculation on what his intent was. Although it could be possible that he was unaware or unconscious of what he was being told to write.


Could be.

Its also good to become familiar with actual mysticism too, instead of second-hand speculation about what esoteric truths are and if such-and-such lived up to them.
 
I'll never understand why anyone would want to use an ignore list, other than to be able to go "la la la I'm not listening!" All you do is lose your right to reply.

What kills me , is that it says the person is so petty they cannot even read something that the person they are ignoring wrote without some need to reply , or some instant anger. In a place with rules such as here ( no profanity, etc.) there should be no reason that this is necessary.

I mean, in my internet forum life i have blocked maybe ....a dozen people. And each time it was just something ******* around and using a giant text to post random swear words to flood a forum that didn't stop things like that from happening. Nothing to do with the ideas, simply the obvious attempt at making my forum life more annoying.

If i ever sat down and said " i have to make sure i can't read what this person writes. " i would have to seriously ask myself my intentions?

But all this is just peeing in the wind, though possibly applicable to other posters. Limbo says he is placing people on ignore to get a rise out of them. Troll 101, yawn.
 
Could be.

Its also good to become familiar with actual mysticism too, instead of second-hand speculation about what esoteric truths are and if such-and-such lived up to them.

I'm not discrediting mysticism and the esoteric, I am just saying that you have to have knowledge of people's character and the historical context and information about them before speculating and interpreting it. It should be the first step before delving in to interpretation, or else the same could be said about a fiction writer who never intended any hidden meaning. If you don't know anything about the person, you can say anything about his work. You are interpreting the writing with the writer removed from the equation, kind of like the people that say Horton Hears a Who was about abortion when Dr. Suess meant no such thing.
 
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But Zanders, you aren't qualified to understand esoteric truths yet. You are not a mystic, and you have not spent years studying the relevant fields. Until then, I recommend that you try not to judge one way or the other.

You are not a mystic,just someone who runs off at the mouth on internet forums.
 
Chucky, I already told you why this topic is important. I gave two reasons, and a link to an article that elaborates on one of them in post #72. Maybe you could go back and read it.

Sorry if all that isn't good enough for you, and good luck to you. Bye-bye.

You have a dead link there.
 
I prefer to call it his remain-in-ignorance list. It's an honour to be part of that learned company.

There should be a ribbon or a certificate or something. Maybe a secret handshake.
 
Limbo, in any case from these interviews with Campbell that I've seen so far and my foggy memory of his work, he seems to go out of his way often to de-mystify the myth and make it something that people can apply to the mundane. Campbell strikes me in the end as more pragmatist than mystical.
He seems to simplify his views where you seem to endeavor to complicate yours. Frankly, you don't seem to have knack of breaking it down into re-enforceable claims that you yourself can articulately finding common ground here. If you can't find it, what is accomplished by only challenging and antagonizing people here? A few sentences and then off again! That isn't teaching or presenting an argument. That's not how Campbell communicates. He doesn't go into a discussion saying, "Don't bother me with things you don't understand from my point of view. Read this book!" That's not a good way to get a point across, not in the short run. And if you don't engage people in the short run there is no long run. Otherwise in the long run they might consider the harder work.

And Campbell believes some things which, no matter what he presents, it doesn't back up his claims. For instance, he states a sort of belief that there is a consciousness everywhere. But we do not have any way of demonstrating that at this time. Furthermore, as far as can be demonstrated, exactly the opposite is true. There is no mystical 'force' that gives rocks feeling and directs nature. There are chemical processes that over quintillions and quintillions of replications and adaptions create life and consciousness. And through energy they are autonomous. As fascinating as Campbell's knowledge of myth, its history and how it relates to the modern world he makes some claims with the double burden of first needing to disprove what we know about how the world works, and then demonstrating that a second system exists over the top of it. Rather than the quantum waves of probability and the four forces which are known drivers. Nothing else is demonstratively true at this time. Just logically, much less experimentally, it has to be forced onto the closed system of this universe. The mystical needs to be forced on because it is not needed as part of the process which already demonstratively works. Sorry, the force is not seen, even in the blood.

And while there are certainly social, entertaining and inspirational aspects of myth that relates to today, there is also a line which now exists. For the last 400 years the old texts and mythologies, wives tales, and other such things had their place before science proved the nature of the universe. Including lots of superstition, coping mechanisms that got people through their lives in a senseless world. Mechanisms that could be driven to influence or to even become peoples worldviews. In ways that are still used against them in every fashion imaginable. But now exists a microscope that can be used as a baseline of truth to see where the obvious bluff and bluster is and where there are untruths of mistakes from former misunderstanding. And what else is left over is what can't honestly be defined yet.

And by the way, the microscope doesn't work on personal experience. There is no known way to tell if the experience is true, obsessive or psychotic, or lies for gain from outside a person. Read Thomas Paine on revelation in 'The Age of Reason'. Perhaps science will do better determining instances of the last three eventually in a bit of time. That would help. And how can the individual tell for certain if it isn't obsession or the more common instance of confirmation bias which allows them to believe? It's our world view, we resist hard when it's wrong and needs repair. And both obsession and personal bias include lying to ones self as well. (Though of course, wise ones like you and I would never fall prey to that again, will we?)
 

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