The Skeleton Key to Mystical Interpretation

[Zanders]

More like saying I will help you build your own telescope, so that you can see the otherside for yourself. Telescope is the way Sam Harris puts it. Part of the scope is those comparative fields. Another part is experiences. Would you like to experience a shamanic dream of the collective unconscious? One designed to give you a mystical insight into its nature?

It's not really like telling you to build a telescope, because you don't give any sources other than "comparative religion" and "comparative mysticism". Which sources do I read? It's not telling us how to build a telescope, it's more like saying "to look at the stars out there, you will have to build some sort of device to look at stars" with no instructions on how to build it.

 

[Limbo]

It's not really like telling you to build a telescope, because you don't give any sources other than "comparative religion" and "comparative mysticism". Which sources do I read? It's not telling us how to build a telescope, it's more like saying "to look at the stars out there, you will have to build some sort of device to look at stars" with no instructions on how to build it.

I've already given you books to read, remember? In that PM? But I can give you more if you like. How many books can you read per year?

And I offered to help you experience the collective unconscious for yourself. What more do you want?

 

[Zanders]

I've already given you books to read, remember? In that PM? But I can give you more if you like. How many books can you read per year?

Oh, sorry about that. But I meant that if you are going to make a thread like this, you really should be more specific so that everyone here will understand.

And on the subject of the collective consciousness, when I asked for proof I wanted you to link me to an article or cite a book containing some proof of it's existence. It really does see like something that could be tested.

 

[Limbo]

Oh, sorry about that. But I meant that if you are going to make a thread like this, you really should be more specific so that everyone here will understand.

And on the subject of the collective consciousness, when I asked for proof I wanted you to link me to an article or cite a book containing some proof of it's existence. It really does see like something that could be tested.

Jung tested and explored it. I recommend starting your journey with the book, Man and his Symbols. Its written for the layman and its very good. It will give you a good overview of all that.

Then, I recommend The Hero with a Thousand Faces. How long would it take you to read those, Zanders?

 

[Zanders]

Jung tested and explored it. I recommend starting your journey with the book, Man and his Symbols. Its written for the layman and its very good. It will give you a good overview of all that.

Then, I recommend The Hero with a Thousand Faces. How long would it take you to read those, Zanders?

I'm not necessarily sure due to school related things, but thanks for the links anyway.

Do you have any links to any shorter articles with empirical evidence of a collective unconscious, or is it not something that can be tested and seen directly?

 

[Chucky]

Limbo,

Per our discussion:

Originally Posted by Limbo View Post
Well, let me try to put it another way. Its bad for religious fundamentalism. Thats why you should care.

Are you saying that the of point of mysticism is that it deters other beliefs? That it is a disruptive force, that this is its purpose?

 

[Zanders]

Limbo, you also forgot to tell me what you meant about Muhammad when you said "Its not for no reason. I have reasons I think he would accept. "

 

[Limbo]

I'm not necessarily sure due to school related things, but thanks for the links anyway.

Do you have any links to any shorter articles with empirical evidence of a collective unconscious, or is it not something that can be tested and seen directly?

A McDonalds drive-thru sort of evidence, eh? Nope. Although, I think you might get a lot out of The Power of Myth mini-series about comparative mythology. Its a PBS 6-hour miniseries. I think it might give you some instant gratification. Interested? Here is episode one.

http://www.mevio.com/episode/92858/the-power-of-myth-with-joseph-cambell

 

[Zanders]

A McDonalds drive-thu sort of evidence, eh? Nope. Although, I think you might get a lot out of The Power of Myth mini-series about comparative mythology. Its a PBS 6-hour miniseries. I think it might give you some instant gratification. Interested? Here is episode one.

http://www.mevio.com/episode/92858/the-power-of-myth-with-joseph-cambell

Sorry if it seems like I am being lazy, I was just asking for something like that on the side. When I have more time I would be able to read some of the books you mentioned. I actually think a lot of people here have read Jung and Campbell, though.

 

[dafydd]

What does he have to say?

Look at me,I'm wonderful?

 

[PixyMisa]

I don't agree. If the skeptics use the strategy of indulging in mockery and intolerance and the 'guffaw' factor like a bunch of children, then they are going to have to accept the consequences. Not me. One of those consequences is pissing people off who then, surprise, don't want to talk to that skeptic anymore.

Oh dear.

Oh its probably no big deal, because sooner or later most of us woo-woos leave anyway, after being subjected to X amount of JREF intolerance.

There's no such thing. We point out that your ideas are incoherent. If you interpret that as intolerance, you're simply wrong.

 

[Halfcentaur]

I don't understand why implying you're mistaking physical bliss through endorphin rushes as mystical experiences warrants being ignored. I think it hits rather close to home.

I'm also fascinated by the archtypes that resound throughout all human myth. I've stood before a council like gathering of over a dozen alien entities under the influence of DMT in a "place" that felt more real than reality has ever felt before overlapping "above" this reality, but I don't make the mistake of letting my own animal limitations and predisposed behaviors limit or blur my understanding of what seems real to me. The fact you're so willing to decide on their absolute reality to the point you see connections with other factors in reality as symbols slightly disturbs me. You out of most should be wary of believing something is real just because it seems and feels absolutely real, when you're using analogues that mimic the very chemicals we create reality from.

Again and again I see you claiming you're here to amuse yourself at our close mindedness. And again and again I see you reacting with incredulity at times where it seems people question you too close to home. You write off people as "hounds" for questioning and challenging intellectually. You chastise others for not respecting belief systems, while belittling their own views as close minded, arrogant, and limited.
For someone who has transcended reality and attained higher states, you seem profoundly petty. I can't blame you really. You're only being human.

 

[Halfcentaur]

If I am not ignored yet, I really don't understand why you take the approaches you do here and then act surprised or bothered in the slightest by the replies you are given. To the point you actually put someone on ignore, yet continue to address a community founded on the methods we like to pride ourselves on, it seems rather self destructive and dishonest.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Underneath the presentation Limbo does have something to offer -- he just does a poor job of communicating it. Just listen to what he has to say and question where needed; try to meet him half way

It depends what you mean by meeting him halfway. I'm on his ignore list for "crowd[ing]", "hound[ing]", "stalk[ing]" and "interrogat[ing]" him. I did this by making 3 statements which contradicted something he'd said or an assumption he'd made and asking 2 questions of him about what he'd said (and not in an aggressive manner, I've been more aggressive with you in our conversation on anther thread - which I'll get back to when my mind is less delicate after last night, probably tomorrow - and I'd hope you'd agree that I've not been aggressive with you there) over 5 posts over the course of 2 days in 2 threads. This, apparently, now makes me an "asshat", too.

Now, of course he's free to do as he wishes with his ignore list (although I'll never understand for myself why anybody would want to use such a feature - it means that the poster on the list can say whatever they like about you and you lose your right of reply), but it seems to me like it has two functions - the first is to enable him to "punish" those of us on it (look at how he talks in this thread about us having to "accept the consequences" of "pissing [him] off"), and the second is to enable him to not hear things he doesn't want to hear or to hear from people he can't mentally place himself in a superior position to.

Do you have any links to any shorter articles with empirical evidence of a collective unconscious, or is it not something that can be tested and seen directly?

It could easily be tested empirically. You're supposed to be able to gather information from the collective unconscious. Whatever question you have, it can be answered by consulting the collective unconscious. So have one person write something down, seal it in an envelope, then have someone else who has had no direct contact with that person consult the collective unconscious ask what it is that's written on that bit of paper.

Easy-peasy lemon squeezy.

 

[Limbo]

If I am not ignored yet, I really don't understand why you take the approaches you do here and then act surprised or bothered in the slightest by the replies you are given. To the point you actually put someone on ignore, yet continue to address a community founded on the methods we like to pride ourselves on, it seems rather self destructive and dishonest.

You aren't ignored yet, but I'm sick of talking to JREFers about things that have nothing to do with my OP, such as my approaches and or whatnot. If you want to talk to me about something in the OP, then make another post and purify it of everything that has nothing to do with it. If I detect an impurity I will ignore the whole post.

(I'm not going to dance to JREFs tune. I hate that screeching tune, I cant dance to it. Its my tune or the ignore list. And if I have to put every JREFer on ignore in order to dance to it, then thats what I will do.)

An exchange of posts is like a dance. If a JREFer wants to dance with me but isn't prepared to let me lead, and let me choose the tune, then they should just go find another dance partner. I won't mind, really.

 

[Limbo]

Sorry if it seems like I am being lazy, I was just asking for something like that on the side. When I have more time I would be able to read some of the books you mentioned. I actually think a lot of people here have read Jung and Campbell, though.

OK, thats fine, let me know if and when you have finished consuming your side dishs and want to talk about the contents of them. Take your time, just bump this thread whenever you are ready.

 

[PixyMisa]

You aren't ignored yet, but I'm sick of talking to JREFers about things that have nothing to do with my OP, such as my approaches or whatnot. If you want to talk to me about something in the OP, then make another post and purify it of everything that has nothing to do with it. If I detect an impurity I will ignore the whole post.

I'm not going to dance to JREFs tune. Its my tune or the ignore list.

Doesn't work that way. We can't force you to answer our questions, but you can't dictate what questions we ask.

Speaking of questions, why are you so terrified of "impurities"?

 

[Limbo]

"No."

 

[PixyMisa]

You sure about that? You said earlier:

I don't mind. Maybe we could live and let live? Lets make a deal. First, you dissolve the organized skeptic activism social movement, which is a rabid attack dog that needs to be put down. Then I will quit trying to stop you from wasting your soul. Deal?

You seem to have a deep and persistent problem with questions that don't accept your premises. Almost no-one here accepts your premises, so naturally they are the first thing to come into question when you post. You liken this questioning to the attack of a rabid animal. And yet you keep posting here. May I ask why?

Also, you haven't addressed my earlier point: In your original post, you said that this "key" of yours is based on four fields of study. Three of those fields fall within anthropology; they are, however, the study of human belief, and make no claims as to the validity of that belief. The other, parapsychology, is worthless pseudoscience. What value do you see in bringing together two such disparate fields, and why?

 

[tsig]

You aren't ignored yet, but I'm sick of talking to JREFers about things that have nothing to do with my OP, such as my approaches and or whatnot. If you want to talk to me about something in the OP, then make another post and purify it of everything that has nothing to do with it. If I detect an impurity I will ignore the whole post.

I'm not going to dance to JREFs tune. I hate that screeching tune, I cant dance to it. Its my tune or the ignore list. And if I have to put every JREFer on ignore in order to dance to it, then thats what I will do.

So it's "My way or the highway"? Nice to know that mystical insight makes one so open minded.