Israeli Mossad spying/infiltrating AQ pre 9-11

[Senenmut]

I just read an interesting article that is from 2002. Its written by Gordon Thomas who wrote the book Gideons Spies. In that book he stated the mossad motto was "by way of deception, tho shalt do war."
so what do you guys think the Israeli mossad really knew? His article reminded me of the pics Gerald Shea posted at the end of his memorandum:


MEMORANDUM TO
THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON
THE UNITED STATES
THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
_________________________________
Israeli Surveillance of the Future
Hijackers and FBI Suspects in the
September 11 Attacks and Their
Failure to Give Us Adequate Warning: The Need for a Public Inquiry


about Gerald Shea:
"The author of this memorandum is Gerald Shea, a retired corporate lawyer. Shea – an alumnus of Phillips Academy, Yale (1964), and Columbia Law School – was associated for many years with one of New York’s most prominent law firms, in New York and Paris, and his memo reads like a lawyer’s brief: it is written with the same meticulous attention to details of time and place, and with a lawyerly regard for maintaining a high standard of evidence."

http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf


Bush: The Ignored Warning That Will Come to Haunt Him
"Sharon's reaction is a calculated response to growing claims that Mossad has been running spy operations within the United States and also reveals a split in the special relationship between the two leaders."
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"Mossad chiefs insist the Israeli spy agency was tracking Osama bin Laden's terrorists in America before September 11 and that the information was passed on to the CIA on five separate occasions before the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon. As late as August 24, less than two weeks before the attacks, a Mossad warning, confirmed by German intelligence, BND, said that "terrorists plan to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture." The warning alert was passed to the CIA."
............
"Now he has really stirred things up by putting Bush right at the centre of this storm by actively allowing these sensitive documents to be leaked to the world. He feels he needs to teach Bush a lesson and this will certainly complicate America's peace efforts in the region," he said. "
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"According to similar documents shown to the Sunday Express, the Mossad was running a round-the-clock surveillance operation on some of the September 11 hijackers.
The details, contained in classified papers, reveal that a senior Mossad agent tipped off his counterpart in the CIA that a massive terrorist hit was being planned in the US. A handful of the spies had infiltrated the Al-Qaeda organisation while a staggering 120 others, posing as overseas art students, launched massive undercover operations throughout America.
Other documents leaked to the Sunday Express from several intelligence agencies including the Drug Enforcement Agency show that two Mossad cells of six Egyptian and Yemeni born Jews, trained at a secret base in Israel's Negev Desert on how to penetrate Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network.
One team flew to Amsterdam and were under the control of the Mossad's Europe Station. This is based at Schipol Airport within the El Al complex. They later made contact in Hamburg with Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker on September 11.
The second group flew directly to New York. From there they travelled South to Florida and infiltrated the bin Laden organisation. In August last year, the Mossad team in Europe flew with some of the Hamburg terrorists into Boston, a month before the attack on the twin towers."
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/thomas1.html


cui bono:
Benjamin Netanyahu:
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."

another:
On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

 

[WildCat]

If it was an Israeli plot to get the US to help Israel why would the Mossad be tracking their own operation and then reporting it to the CIA?

You're not making much sense here Senenmut.

 

[Thunder]

the Jews did it!!!!!!!

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

"Cui bono" is useless.

Numerous people can benefit in various ways from another's misfortune. Hell, a person or organization may also benefit, in the long run, from their own misfortune. That says absolutely nothing about who is actually responsible for that misfortune, not to mention whether or not the action(s) that led to that misfortune were intentional.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

[Argh! Edit, not quote, you dummy...]

 

[Senenmut]

If it was an Israeli plot to get the US to help Israel why would the Mossad be tracking their own operation and then reporting it to the CIA?

You're not making much sense here Senenmut.

so they could say we warned us. they gave only "non-specific" information. look at the maps. with over 3.7 million miles of area (usa), how close were the israelis to AQ. pretty damn close. looks like gordon thomas was right on the money with the mossad tracking/infiltrating AQ in america pre 911.

 

[Thunder]

. looks like gordon thomas was right on the money with the mossad tracking/infiltrating AQ in america pre 911.

there is no evidence that the Mossad was tracking any of the 9-11 hijackers, let alone infiltrating AQ.

if you do have such evidence, please present it to the FBI.

I think you simply believe what you want to believe, regardless of the lack of facts to support it.

 

[Senenmut]

there is no evidence that the Mossad was tracking any of the 9-11 hijackers, let alone infiltrating AQ.

if you do have such evidence, please present it to the FBI.

I think you simply believe what you want to believe, regardless of the lack of facts to support it.

check out the maps and the article man.........

 

[MikeW]

Oh, this deceptive ******** again.

Carefully not pointing out that the art students were in the area months before most of the hijackers arrived, and that the DEA knew about all of these before that time too.

Padding out those maps by including one or two incorrect hijacker locations, as we've discussed before, as well as "FBI suspects".

And also forgetting to mention that Israeli "art students" are a known criminal scam that show up in other countries without being assumed to be deep cover Mossad operatives (Australia and New Zealand in 2009 and 2010, for instance).

Still, if you're returning to old topics, Senenmut, perhaps you can go back to the Mineta one, where you bought up a new set of security service documents, cherry-picked one, and paid no attention to the fact that they all debunked Mineta's timeline. Or is that an awkward topic best ignored, too?

 

[Thunder]

check out the maps and the article man.........

um..you're a few years late buddy.

we've seen it all.

do you REALLY think, at the end of 2010, we have NEVER seen this stuff before?

my goodness.

 

[Senenmut]

Oh, this deceptive ******** again.

Carefully not pointing out that the art students were in the area months before most of the hijackers arrived, and that the DEA knew about all of these before that time too.

that would be good for surveillance. i belive they were also inside the wtc towers as well if my memory serves me correct.

Padding out those maps by including one or two incorrect hijacker locations, as we've discussed before, as well as "FBI suspects".

before? post those. these are gerald shea's maps...not mine.

And also forgetting to mention that Israeli "art students" are a known criminal scam that show up in other countries without being assumed to be deep cover Mossad operatives (Australia and New Zealand in 2009 and 2010, for instance).

we are talking about 2001. not '09 or'10.

Still, if you're returning to old topics, Senenmut, perhaps you can go back to the Mineta one, where you bought up a new set of security service documents, cherry-picked one, and paid no attention to the fact that they all debunked Mineta's timeline. Or is that an awkward topic best ignored, too?

makes better sense that he arrived there when he said he did.

 

[Thunder]

that would be good for surveillance. i belive they were also inside the wtc towers as well if my memory serves me correct.

riiiiigghhhttttt.....

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

so they could say we warned us. they gave only "non-specific" information. look at the maps. with over 3.7 million miles of area (usa), how close were the israelis to AQ. pretty damn close. looks like gordon thomas was right on the money with the mossad tracking/infiltrating AQ in america pre 911.

The last time you posted those maps I asked why they were missing a crucial dimension: time.

You never answered.

I know why, of course, but I'd still like your explanation. Can you state with a significant degree of confidence that these agents were not only in the same area as the hijackers, but in the same area at the same time as these terrorists?

Can you provide us with the dates that these agents and the terrorists were in each area?

 

[Senenmut]

riiiiigghhhttttt.....

right what??? you dont belive the "art students" were in the towers prior to collapse?

 

[MikeW]

before? post those. these are gerald shea's maps...not mine.

I know. Why? You don't care. And I don't have the time to go look it up now, so I'll withdraw that, and replace it with this as a sample of the depth of Shea's research.

When he's posting historical information to try and make it sound like Florida is a big deal to the hijackers, he gives us 3 assertions in succession (page 18/ 19):

Saeed al Ghamdi had lived in Daytona Beach for several years in the 1990s, and Waleed al Shehri had taken flight lessons there in 1997.45 Mohamed Atta had also lived in Daytona Beach in the mid-1990s.

But the reality is that there's no evidence the hijacker Saeed al Ghamdi ever lived in Daytona Beach, let alone for "several years" in the 1990's (the fact that he was only 21 on 9/11 kind of suggests that's unlikely).

The hijacker Waleed al Shehri wasn't a pilot, so that's wrong too (he's talking about the "still alive" Waleed Ahmed al Shehri).

And the only source for Mohammed Atta living in Daytona Beach says simply that it was a man with the same name. There's no evidence it was Atta, and a contrary timeline that says it wasn't (he was in Hamburg, etc).

But hey, it suits Shea's needs to pretend that he has a definitive case, so he simply writes that "Mohamed Atta had also lived in Daytona Beach in the mid-1990s" as though it was a fact. After all, who cares? If anyone spots the problem, true believers like you will make excuses for him, so he really can't lose.

 

[Senenmut]

I know. Why? You don't care. And I don't have the time to go look it up now, so I'll withdraw that, and replace it with this as a sample of the depth of Shea's research.

When he's posting historical information to try and make it sound like Florida is a big deal to the hijackers, he gives us 3 assertions in succession (page 18/ 19):



But the reality is that there's no evidence the hijacker Saeed al Ghamdi ever lived in Daytona Beach, let alone for "several years" in the 1990's (the fact that he was only 21 on 9/11 kind of suggests that's unlikely).

The hijacker Waleed al Shehri wasn't a pilot, so that's wrong too (he's talking about the "still alive" Waleed Ahmed al Shehri).

And the only source for Mohammed Atta living in Daytona Beach says simply that it was a man with the same name. There's no evidence it was Atta, and a contrary timeline that says it wasn't (he was in Hamburg, etc).

But hey, it suits Shea's needs to pretend that he has a definitive case, so he simply writes that "Mohamed Atta had also lived in Daytona Beach in the mid-1990s" as though it was a fact. After all, who cares? If anyone spots the problem, true believers like you will make excuses for him, so he really can't lose.

and all the other maps of interest should be disregared because of what you are stating?:

 

[MikeW]

and all the other maps of interest should be disregared because of what you are stating?

A neat straw man. Very good.

No, it's actually something much simpler than that. Which is that if someone reproduces demonstrably inaccurate information like this, with no real excuse, then it's probably wise to treat their conclusions with caution until you've examined what they have to say in great detail.

 

[Senenmut]

Do you believe all the nonsense you post on 911? What is your point?

if you really are ex military, are you ok with the mossad tracking/infiltrating AQ in america and only giving "non-specific" intel?

 

[Thunder]

if you really are ex military, are you ok with the mossad tracking/infiltrating AQ in america and only giving "non-specific" intel?

Israel is America's best friend. don't you have any respect for your allies?

 

[Senenmut]

A neat straw man. Very good.

No, it's actually something much simpler than that. Which is that if someone reproduces demonstrably inaccurate information like this, with no real excuse, then it's probably wise to treat their conclusions with caution until you've examined what they have to say in great detail.

3.7 million square miles in america....and those israelis are right next to those hijackers!!