Chaos Magic

[AkuManiMani]

I had a detailed vision of the future that came true to a tee about 10 minutes later, right before my eyes.

I've had intuitive insights myself regarding the course of future events but never something so dramatic as a detailed vision of the future (short of a few useless flashes of déjà vu in my dreams). They usually come to me in the form of daydreams with a lot of figurative imagery or a general sense of "this is probably how things are gonna play out". On maybe one or two occasions have my daydreams ever became as vivid as a full vision but, again, they are usually metaphorical and I tend to interpret them as such. I've mostly chalked the insights up to me utilizing a deep understanding of a situation and the relevant factors to project a plausible forecast.

 

[Giggywig]

Ugh. Is this going to turn into an interrogation? Not in the mood.

Ok then, we'll leave it as "you assert things with no evidence." Good luck with that.

 

[Resume]

Ugh. Is this going to turn into an interrogation? Not in the mood.

You started the thread.

 

[Limbo]

Ok then, we'll leave it as "you assert things with no evidence." Good luck with that.

Its just not sinking in that you could do CM yourself and get your own evidence, is it?

 

[Dumb All Over]

I had a detailed vision of the future that came true to a tee about 10 minutes later, right before my eyes.

Would it be possible for you to demonstrate this under controlled conditions so we might be able to verify that what you're saying is true?

 

[drkitten]

Its just not sinking in that you could do CM yourself and get your own evidence, is it?

No, it's not. Largely because we have no reason to believe that.

 

[Katopale]

Come on people.
Who is your Chaos Magick Master?

The guy offering ultra-near-future visions of public transportation scofflaws or the guy with a great buy on a first home and a happy spouse.
Family friendly, spacious backyard, good bones.
House is nice too.

 

[Giggywig]

Its just not sinking in that you could do CM yourself and get your own evidence, is it?

It's not sinking in that your assertions are completely without value unless you have evidence, is it?

 

[Moss]

Its just not sinking in that you could do CM yourself and get your own evidence, is it?

That's not evidence, that's at best personal experience of something you may or may not attribute meaning to.
How are your visions distinct from "regular" visual daydreams?

 

[D'rok]

Don't you get it? Anything I say to you or link you to as an example will only go in one ear and out the other. If you are to have a paradigm shift, you need to see the light for yourself. But, that means getting out of your own way.

If one can't grab a hold of their own paradigm and wrestle control of it long enough to charge a sigil, then one is a slave to it.

Been there done that.

I was a working musician for 10 years. Thanks to that lifestyle, I can answer Jimi's question - yes, I have been experienced. Many times, in fact.

But reality was always there when I got back. Still is.

If you have evidence that matter arises from concsiousness, I am eager to see it. If not, then you are wasting everyone's time with such claims.

 

[Limbo]

Would it be possible for you to demonstrate this under controlled conditions so we might be able to verify that what you're saying is true?

It was a spontaneous vision that happened some days after I achieved gnosis. I'm not good enough to have conscious control over it.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Oh my, what an incredibly gorgeous person you are.

 

[sadhatter]

I tried but my saving throw vs. magic is so low I'm pretty much immune.

Get back to the home grandpa we play 3.5 now. (4th edition obviously doesn't count. lol.)

 

[AkuManiMani]

It was a spontaneous vision that happened some days after I achieved gnosis. I'm not good enough to have conscious control over it.

If its spontaneous and out of one's deliberate control that kinda makes it inapplicable for controlled repeatable testing and experimental protocols. The important thing is that if -you- personally experienced it then -you- know its validity.

Its a futile exercise trying to convince someone else of the validity of something they have no personal experience of. Just honestly present the facts of what you've experienced and let other people draw whatever conclusions they wish about it. You've no personal stake in what they choose to accept

 

[sadhatter]

Ugh. Is this going to turn into an interrogation? Not in the mood.

I want to show you all this awesome copy and pasted crap original post of my own to show chaos magic is real. But i am not in the mood to explain it.

Your either trying too hard or not hard enough at being a troll, take your pic.

 

[sadhatter]

If its spontaneous and out of one's deliberate control that kinda makes it inapplicable for controlled repeatable testing and experimental protocols. The important thing is that if -you- personally experienced it then -you- know its validity.

Its a futile exercise trying to convince someone else of the validity of something they have no personal experience of. Just honestly present the facts of what you've experienced and let other people draw whatever conclusions they wish about it. You've no personal stake in what they choose to accept

What your overlooking is the reason it is impossible to confirm the validity of experiences like this. People never, and i repeat never, actually do any confirmation of their abilities. I mean how hard would it be for limbo to post his visions here, then when they come true show us the news article and laugh at all us silly skeptics?

Expecting people to take you at face value is either incredibly naive, or a front for a huckster. There are real, easy ways to verify things like this, but they are always avoided by those who practice them. Funny that.

 

[Dumb All Over]

It was a spontaneous vision that happened some days after I achieved gnosis. I'm not good enough to have conscious control over it.

I'll take that as a "no", then.

 

[Limbo]

The important thing is that if -you- personally experienced it then -you- know its validity.

Yeah, that was the intent I sent to my 'unconscious mind'. That was the sort of direct, vivid, on-the-spot psychic verification I asked for. Its kinda hard to argue when your 'unconscious mind' shoves the future in your face and then you watch it unfold right in your face moments later.

Its a futile exercise trying to convince someone else of the validity of something they have no personal experience of. Just honestly present the facts of what you've experienced and let other people draw whatever conclusions they wish about it. You've no personal stake in what they choose to accept

Yeah, you're probably right.

 

[sadhatter]

Yeah, that was the intent I sent to my 'unconscious mind'. That was the sort of direct, vivid, on-the-spot psychic verification I asked for. Its kinda hard to argue when your 'unconscious mind' shoves the future in your face and then you watch it unfold right in your face moments later.




Yeah, you're probably right.

So its only moments? What kind of useless power is that? I , most of the time can tell you what is going to happen in a few moments, sans chaos magic.

And if your going to say " i was not in the area" then you wouldn't know that something happened , unless it was on the news, in which case it is perfectly reasonable for you to be able to post said vision here before the news cast.

I mean by your own definition you have a useless power , even if the supernatural does exist, it doesn't seem to like you very much.

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

When I was working on an anthropology project in Mexico and Guatemala, I took some extremely strong hallucinagenic mushrooms and did I guess what you would call a "vision quest." I have to say at the time I really did feel like I was seeing "the real world" for the first time. It was an extremely intense experience. I talked to animals, plants. I was able to remotely view places I had never been to, sending projections of my soul outwards. I was able to see music and hear colors. I was able to commune with nature and see the true nature of the universe. I suddenly UNDERSTOOD life, the universe, and everything.

But then I sobered up, and I realized that I hadn't actually done any of those things, it was just the drugs. Was it a profound experience? Sure. It made me look at the world in a totally different way. It made me interested in mysic, philosophy, and art on an entirely different and deeper level than I had before. It made me look at myself differently.

To be honest, there is still a little part of me that wonders; WAS it real? Were those my ancestors and the guardians of the rainforest talking to me? Are mushrooms really a door to the real world, letting me see what I previously could not? But ultimately...no, I don't believe there was any mysticism involved. I believe I was just on hallucinagenic mushrooms in the rainforest with some guidance from religious people which affected my mental state. Which granted, doesn't mean the experience was meaningless, it had a very profound impact on me that will probably last the rest of my life. It just doesn't make it magic.