Gaza - A 5 Star Concentration Camp *****

[Bishadi]

bishadi is a consummate anti-semite.
those of us that do not support israels domestic and foreign policies are viewed by rabid zionists as anti-semitic.
bishadi's hatred runs much deeper than that.

i hate bigotry.


i often imagine what i would have been like during the period of the inquisitions.


i would have had a stand selling "roasted preacher" ("eat a liver, including a fresh chianti and fava beans" .................... as the banner)



fffffffff


hey druid, is gaza your favorite purchase as a biker?

ie.... it kind of make me hate the idiots who paid for the abuse to last for so long.

 

[IDB87]

sure, he used (il)legal means to get his application approved in chicago to run for mayor.

If that is true, it has nothing to do with his father having been in the Irgun.

because without terrorism, israel would not have a concentration camp called GAZA

The actions of the Irgun and other gangs have no impact on the situation in Gaza. What you falsely describe as a 'concentration camp' only resulted from Hamas coming to power in the past few years. There is a gap of 40+ years where nothing was going on in Gaza that would make people like you upset.

Simple!

Quite.

nor did they have 1.5 million people in it.

Collectively they serviced something along the lines of 12 million people.

Doesn't change the fact that Auschwitz didn't have a shopping center.

kind of like the indians in the america's; for no reason

Another failed analogy. You would have more of a point if you were comparing Palestinians to the Native Americans and even then that's quite a stretch.

The Jews of the Old Yishuv were butchered because they were Jewish. It wasn't for 'no reason'. They believed Jews had murdered two Palestinians and retaliated. Turns out this rumor was false.

ie... ww2 was not about jews. 60mil plus died in that war and less than 10% of the deaths were jewish.

I don't think anyone has ever said the second world war was only about the Jews. It is, however, a horrible tragedy that underlines the madness of the Nazi regime.

you claimed the land purchase (israel/jeruselem) was all nice and legal like.

A majority of it was, yes.

jordan and syria own the west back/golan and the occupiers took the land (crossed the jordan)

Jordan, Syria and Egypt annexed (see: occupied) West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights.

the whole creation of that state is from terrorism and force of self determined people following a religious purpose

Irgun and other gangs were a very small minority. I don't see why you are trying to equate them to the majority.

 

[Stout]

No idea but I think that I have mentioned that i'm not a blind supporter of Israel?

Yes, on the last page, but this is the politics section. Objectivity is not at the top on the menu. Great posts, BTW, same same ANTpogo and IDB87. Those of us playing along with out home version of the game appreciate the info.

 

[Bishadi]

The actions of the Irgun and other gangs have no impact on the situation in Gaza. What you falsely describe as a 'concentration camp' only resulted from Hamas coming to power in the past few years. There is a gap of 40+ years where nothing was going on in Gaza that would make people like you upset.

They didn't have a dime for the 911 phone call for help.

Doesn't change the fact that Auschwitz didn't have a shopping center.

that type of camp, was not legal.

nowadays, people like you believe gaza is just okey dokey.

big difference.

Another failed analogy. You would have more of a point if you were comparing Palestinians to the Native Americans and even then that's quite a stretch.

both did not have the weapons to fight the occupiers

I don't think anyone has ever said the second world war was only about the Jews. It is, however, a horrible tragedy that underlines the madness of the Nazi regime.

ashkenazi's are, a little weird.

A majority of it was, yes.

Bulll


read the 48 partition plan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Jordan, Syria and Egypt annexed (see: occupied) West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights.

For the first time, Israel has embarked on a plan to sell the land of the 1948 Palestinian refugees (92% of Israel) to Jewish individuals. Clearly this is in violation of international law

http://www.plands.org/articles/002.html

read that article before posting

i was not aware of how little you know until this thread

 

[IDB87]

nowadays, people like you believe gaza is just okey dokey.

It is a hell of a lot better than a concentration camp, or even the Warsaw ghetto. Gaza has been equated to both of those - either to undermine the horror Jews went through under the Nazis, or to greatly exaggerate the suffering of the Palestinians. You get to decide.

both did not have the weapons to fight the occupiers

Actually Palestinians and Israelis were similarly armed. The Arabs had a larger number of infantry battalions and tanks.

read the 48 partition plan

What exactly am I reading? The partition plan was based on existing demographics and land ownership. The U.N. did not force a Palestinian to give up his home so a Jew could live there.

For the first time, Israel has embarked on a plan to sell the land of the 1948 Palestinian refugees (92% of Israel) to Jewish individuals. Clearly this is in violation of international law

This only applies to refugees who were forcibly removed from their homes. How many refugees is that?

 

[Bishadi]

It is a hell of a lot better than a concentration camp, or even the Warsaw ghetto. Gaza has been equated to both of those -

good

either to undermine the horror Jews went through under the Nazis,

them horrors are no reason for the horrors still occuring.

if israelis believe they have a right based on ww2, then that israelis or any human being is a bigot (self determined)

or to greatly exaggerate the suffering of the Palestinians. You get to decide.

i have decided, you believe that because of ww2, innocent people can be abused, unrooted, and turned into refugees and it's all okey dokey.........

Actually Palestinians and Israelis were similarly armed.

not.... and dont even go there.....

The Arabs had a larger number of infantry battalions and tanks.

zionist were terrorist. The infantry of the surrounding countries has nothing to do with terrorist forcing britain to turn over the palestinian issues to the UN.

Dude you are really getting rediculous

What exactly am I reading? The partition plan was based on existing demographics and land ownership. The U.N. did not force a Palestinian to give up his home so a Jew could live there.

read the material

it will have items like For 50 years Israel kept the Palestinian land it took by force in 1948 (18,643 sq. km. out of 20,325 sq. km., or 92% of Israel's area)

This only applies to refugees who were forcibly removed from their homes. How many refugees is that?

i will bet, most every refugee from palestine can witness the day, when force is why they are now refugees.

 

[IDB87]

them horrors are no reason for the horrors still occuring.

You are missing a few steps.

if israelis believe they have a right based on ww2, then that israelis or any human being is a bigot (self determined)

It's not 'based on ww2'. It's based on a physical exchange of money for land.

i have decided, you believe that because of ww2, innocent people can be abused, unrooted, and turned into refugees and it's all okey dokey.........

Then you completely misunderstand the very basic facts in this conflict.

not.... and dont even go there.....

The IDF was using imported chech rifles and outdated weapons from France. They were not well equipped at all. Only recently have they become a powerful military force.

The infantry of the surrounding countries has nothing to do with terrorist forcing britain to turn over the palestinian issues to the UN.

Since I didn't say they did, I'm not sure what you're getting at. The Palestinians were never at a disadvantage when they were fighting against the IDF, since they were supported militarily by a number of Arab states.

it will have items like For 50 years Israel kept the Palestinian land it took by force in 1948 (18,643 sq. km. out of 20,325 sq. km., or 92% of Israel's area)

Again, this land that was 'taken by force' is only applicable to those who were forcibly removed from their homes. The rest left of their own volition.

What is the % of people who were forced out, and what is the % of people who left at the behest of Arab leaders?

 

[Bishadi]

You are missing a few steps.

what few steps...

No fricken reason for zionist to begin, try, imposed or terrorize any palestinians for the intent of religious goals (israel).

Then AFTER ww2, idiots approved the plan, to give a religious sect a state, within an land that is/was lived upon by people who had nothing to do with the ww2 divide.


So for you to tell me, that having sympathy for palestinian refugees, means i am belittling the holocaust, is just sick!

i call foul on what you are trying to do.

ie..... that type of rant is why i dont waive the holocaust flag in sympathy as it is the reason why israel was capable of selling its own self centered creation.

basically, you just hit the nail on the head.

holocaust is not a reason to be in palestine, in every sense of the accounting.

If you want to see me MF people, that is one way to get me to MF people!

It is like believing women decieved man in genesis, and then go home and slap the wife for it. (just stupid)

It's not 'based on ww2'. It's based on a physical exchange of money for land.

bulll.................

Again, this land that was 'taken by force' is only applicable to those who were forcibly removed from their homes.

the people in GAZA were removed from their homes or they wouldnt be refugees........dahhhhhhhhhhhh

What is the % of people who were forced out, and what is the % of people who left at the behest of Arab leaders?

go look it up.

do some homework, before taking a side.

 

[IDB87]

No fricken reason for zionist to begin, try, imposed or terrorize any palestinians for the intent of religious goals (israel).

That is not the purpose of Zionism.

Then AFTER ww2, idiots approved the plan, to give a religious sect a state, within an land that is/was lived upon by people who had nothing to do with the ww2 divide.

Zionism is not strictly a religious philosophy. Liberal Zionism, for instance, advocates a state for the Palestinians. Orthodox Jews view Zionism as secular, at any rate.

So for you to tell me, that having sympathy for palestinian refugees, means i am belittling the holocaust, is just sick!

You have an odd way of interpreting what I and others say to you. I'll blame that on the fact that English may not be your first language.

When you say 'Gaza is a concentration camp', you are either belittling the horrors the Jews went through at the hands of the Nazis, or exaggerating the plight of the Palestinians. To say Gaza is akin to a death camp is a gross insult.

ie..... that type of rant is why i dont waive the holocaust flag in sympathy as it is the reason why israel was capable of selling its own self centered creation.

And while I would agree with that, no one here has done that.

holocaust is not a reason to be in palestine, in every sense of the accounting.

It was not the cause, per se. Catalyst makes more sense. Zionism has been around since the 1890s. Are you saying the Holocaust created Zionism in the 1890s?

the people in GAZA were removed from their homes or they wouldnt be refugees........dahhhhhhhhhhhh

The people of Gaza, who currently live in Gaza, were removed from Gaza, that's why it's a concentration camp?

 

[Thunder]

When you say 'Gaza is a concentration camp', you are either belittling the horrors the Jews went through at the hands of the Nazis,

more like denying them.

 

[Bishadi]

That is not the purpose of Zionism.

then why is palestine the chosen place of creating israel?

Zionism is not strictly a religious philosophy. Liberal Zionism, for instance, advocates a state for the Palestinians. Orthodox Jews view Zionism as secular, at any rate.

zionism is the quest of fullfilling prophecy

You have an odd way of interpreting what I and others say to you. I'll blame that on the fact that English may not be your first language.

as i blame it on your reading level is reduced to bias versus reality.

When you say 'Gaza is a concentration camp', you are either belittling the horrors the Jews went through at the hands of the Nazis,

not really.... i am belittling any human being that believes it is OK for Gaza to be a living oppression of human beings.

i could care less who you are.

Gaza (THE concentration camp) should not exist. WE are supposedly a civil society.

or exaggerating the plight of the Palestinians. To say Gaza is akin to a death camp is a gross insult.

thank you.

believing gaza is anything less, than a death camp is a gross insult to me and most of any human being that observes the facts of the matters.

The reason you dont accept my approach is you must have a feeling of responsibility (to a side; bias)

It was not the cause, per se. Catalyst makes more sense. Zionism has been around since the 1890s. Are you saying the Holocaust created Zionism in the 1890s?

zionism may have created holocaust but holocaust is what created the belief, that israel is allowed to maintain their own concentration camp (gaza).

The people of Gaza, who currently live in Gaza, were removed from Gaza, that's why it's a concentration camp?

you are spinning yourself in a loop.


the people in gaza are primarily the widows and orphans of the dead, who were murdered, oppressed and had their lands, farms, lives and most of everything taken from them, since the zionist occupation.




no holocaust and no israel.


ie... without hitler bringing the people together, there would not be a collective of uprooted religious believers trying to find a place to live.

I once said, that if jews hate germans so bad, then go back and take their land in reparations

but leave palestinians alone as they did nothing to invoke such bigotry to be imposed to them.

 

[Bishadi]

more like denying them.

Thunder, if denying that gaza should exist, means i deny that holocaust gave jews the right to segragate people based on religious differences, then i am!




ie.. i am a denier, that holocaust is a reason to allow gaza to exist.


So screw any who, that believes gaza is legal.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

No fricken reason for zionist to begin, try, imposed or terrorize any palestinians for the intent of religious goals (israel).

Then AFTER ww2, idiots approved the plan, to give a religious sect a state, within an land that is/was lived upon by people who had nothing to do with the ww2 divide.

So for you to tell me, that having sympathy for palestinian refugees, means i am belittling the holocaust, is just sick!

i call foul on what you are trying to do.

ie..... that type of rant is why i dont waive the holocaust flag in sympathy as it is the reason why israel was capable of selling its own self centered creation.

basically, you just hit the nail on the head.

holocaust is not a reason to be in palestine, in every sense of the accounting.

If you want to see me MF people, that is one way to get me to MF people!

It is like believing women decieved man in genesis, and then go home and slap the wife for it. (just stupid)

You need to get your facts straight. First of all there were already lots of Jews living in Israel by the time of WWII. There was no free Palestine, there was a Palestine ruled by the British, and the Israelis had for a long time been fighting British troops, trying to get them to leave the country. It wasn't as if the Holocaust happened and the Allies just decided to dump a ton of Jews on the Palestinians out of nowhere.

What are you suggesting the Brits should've done? Held onto the area as a colony? Left it in charge of the Palestinians with the hope that the Palestinians and Jews, who were fighting each others, would somehow magically become best friends under Palestinian rule? Do you remember how well it turned out when the colonial army left Rwanda without working out a solution to the hatred between the Hutus and the Tutsis?

you are spinning yourself in a loop.

the people in gaza are primarily the widows and orphans of the dead, who were murdered, oppressed and had their lands, farms, lives and most of everything taken from them, since the zionist occupation.

This is relevant how?

no holocaust and no israel.

ie... without hitler bringing the people together, there would not be a collective of uprooted religious believers trying to find a place to live.

Wha'? The Jews had been "trying to find a place to live" for 2000 years.

but leave palestinians alone as they did nothing to invoke such bigotry to be imposed to them.

So now splitting a land between the two people who live there, giving each a soveriegn nation to call their own, is "bigotry"?

 

[armageddonman]

Isn't it ironic that without the interference of the neighbouring arab nations, the Palestinians would have had their own state since 1948 and a much bigger one than anything they could hope for now.

By now, Jerusalem would probably have been their capital as well.

 

[armageddonman]

the people in gaza are primarily the widows and orphans of the dead, who were murdered, oppressed and had their lands, farms, lives and most of everything taken from them, since the zionist occupation.

Rubbish. You just made that up.

 

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Bishadi
the people in gaza are primarily the widows and orphans of the dead

this would be horribly tragic, if it wasn't a complete and utter lie.

 

[IDB87]

then why is palestine the chosen place of creating israel?

I believe Jews have some ties to the land. But regardless, by buying up land in Palestine, they were not violently displacing Palestinians. Only until everyone started killing each other were people displaced (including Jews in Jerusalem by Arabs).

zionism is the quest of fullfilling prophecy as i blame it on your reading level is reduced to bias versus reality.

No, it's not. It's simply about Jewish self-determination.

Perhaps you can explain what a Liberal Zionist is?

not really.... i am belittling any human being that believes it is OK for Gaza to be a living oppression of human beings.

The citizens of Gaza are living a better life than Jews in death camps. To equate one to the other is an insult to both.

The reason you dont accept my approach is you must have a feeling of responsibility (to a side; bias)

I'm a humanist. I believe in self-determination for all peoples, and support the Palestinians in a two-state solution.

Explain this 'bias' to me?

zionism may have created holocaust but holocaust is what created the belief, that israel is allowed to maintain their own concentration camp (gaza).

the people in gaza are primarily the widows and orphans of the dead, who were murdered, oppressed and had their lands, farms, lives and most of everything taken from them, since the zionist occupation.

Quite dramatic.

How many of these refugees left their home of their own volition, and how many were driven out?

ie... without hitler bringing the people together, there would not be a collective of uprooted religious believers trying to find a place to live.

Actually, Zionists had been buying land in Palestine a while before the Holocaust. The holocaust just sped the process up.

but leave palestinians alone as they did nothing to invoke such bigotry to be imposed to them.

There was no 'oppression' as you call it until the war started.

 

[Thunder]

No, it's not. It's simply about Jewish self-determination.

Jewish self-determination can take place anywhere on the planet Earth.

There are only religious and nationalistic reasons to make it happen in Palestine/Israel/Canaan/Judea.

 

[IDB87]

Jewish self-determination can take place anywhere on the planet Earth.

There are only religious and nationalistic reasons to make it happen in Palestine/Israel/Canaan/Judea.

Are Jews physically from the Levant? Can a Jew trace his bloodline back to modern day Israel? If so, it doesn't -have- to be religious in nature to justify a return to the homeland.

 

[armageddonman]

Jewish self-determination can take place anywhere on the planet Earth.

There are only religious and nationalistic reasons to make it happen in Palestine/Israel/Canaan/Judea.

Agree but do you think the Jews will leave Israel at this point even if they would agree that many Palestinians were unlawfully expellend from their land and should be compensated?

It was a very, very smart move by muslim leaders to blame all the muslim woes on the existence of Israel. Knowing that Israel will not vanish, one can blame Israel for everything that is wrong in the muslim world for ever and ever.

Blame Israel, blame Israel...