Gaza - A 5 Star Concentration Camp *****

[IDB87]

when you come back from space, perhaps!

Silly. If these are the kind of responses you're going to give, don't expect to be taken seriously.

Could you explain what you meant when you made that analogy?

 

[A'isha]

Dar al-Harb - (Domain of War) refers to the territory under the hegemony of unbelievers, which is on terms of active or potential belligerency with the Domain of Islam, and presumably hostile to the Muslims living in its domain.

Dar al Islam - the area of the world under the rule of Islam , literally, "the home of Islam" or "the home of submission."

Those aren't the only two divisions of the world according to Muslims, and haven't been the only two divisions for centuries.

EDIT: And even Dar-al-Harb doesn't mean the above any more, to a large chunk of Muslims. See this fatwa on the issue, for instance.

 

[Bishadi]

Alright. I guess you'll have to point out someone here posting that the Irgun wasn't a terrorist group.

rahm emmanual who sits in the whitehouse, his daddy was irgun. (a registered terrorist)

And since I was talking about the fall of the Ottoman empire, I'm not sure what you're trying to get across.

ottoman empire is not of today' world.

i like to deal with existing oppression like camp gaza, the current concentration camp.

your rant is on otto, not today

Perhaps you can explain what happened to the Jews involved in the Hebron massacre, and the Safed massacre in 1929. Those same 'brothers' living side by side with Muslims were massacred because of a rumor.

and the columbine high school experienced what?

was it the muslims and jews of 29' that caused it?

Regardless, Jews were already living in Palestine before Zionism, which was the point you ignored. Zionists just brought money and technology to Israel to help already established Jewish communities flourish, and to establish new communities by paying cash to Palestinian land owners after the Ottomans were defeated.

quack attack.....

zionist are terrorist (registered and all legal like, not to mention a sick idea to sacrafice lambs like pagens in a head hunters 'family' (i be one of them, from way back in my lineage; dont you remember your family dude? )

If that's the case, why were Jews of the Old Yishuv murdered in the 1929 riots?

perhaps because it was a communist plot?

maybe it was muslims with curlers in their hair playing war games with hindu christians acting as pagens, trying to start of wholee war? Kind of like a charles manson plot, maybeeeee?

Governed, right. Not sure what Yoda has to do with it?

your posts are on BS before Gaza (concentration camp) even began.

i have been wondering what you are on, myself!

Regardless, after the Ottomans were defeated, Palestinians who had land decided they could sell it to a Jew who offered cash or something of value in exchange. This is how land was transferred from Palestinians to Jews. Legal, cold hard cash.

you gotta receipt?

can you please rewrite the 67' land grab to represent, that fine piece of responsible opinion?

You fail at making analogies.

kind of like the otto rants i have been reading

i think you owe the forum an apology for the rantangent.

That is all.

 

[Bishadi]

Silly. If these are the kind of responses you're going to give, don't expect to be taken seriously.

could care less after reading your posts (this thread in on camp gaza, not the history of otto rantangents)

Could you explain what you meant when you made that analogy?

when you have your paws on the ground, perhaps. Otherwise........NO!

 

[IDB87]

Those aren't the only two divisions of the world according to Muslims, and haven't been the only two divisions for centuries.

I don't think I ever claimed they were the only two divisions of the world according to Muslims.

But I guess if we can divide these other divisions into Orthodox/Secular interpretations, we'll be getting somewhere.

 

[IDB87]

rahm emmanual who sits in the whitehouse, his daddy was irgun. (a registered terrorist)

And has Rahm Emmanual committed any crimes?

ottoman empire is not of today' world.

Nor is the Irgun. But I was specifically talking about the Ottoman Empire, and the transition of governance from them to the British. You went off on a tangent about Irgun - why?

i like to deal with existing oppression like camp gaza, the current concentration camp.

Concentration camps, under the Nazi regime, did not have shopping centers.

was it the muslims and jews of 29' that caused it?

The Jews who were murdered in 1929 were Jews who could not be considered Zionists. 'Brothers' as you described them, were killed for no reason.

Maybe it was muslims with curlers in their hair playing war games with hindu christians acting as pagens, trying to start of wholee war? Kind of like a charles manson plot, maybeeeee?

Or maybe it was due to antisemitism that was inflamed by their religious leaders, as was the case in 1929.

you gotta receipt?

Is this what passes as an argument from you? 'Gotta receipt?'

can you please rewrite the 67' land grab to represent, that fine piece of responsible opinion?

I assume you had no problem with the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank and Egyptian occupation of Gaza?

 

[A'isha]

I don't think I ever claimed they were the only two divisions of the world according to Muslims.

But I guess if we can divide these other divisions into Orthodox/Secular interpretations, we'll be getting somewhere.

Well, I just don't think it's a useful division when discussing "Muslim lands", since the current common interpretations of these terms among 'Alim have the US being just as much under Dar-al-Islam as Egypt or Saudi Arabia are.

 

[IDB87]

Well, I just don't think it's a useful division when discussing "Muslim lands", since the current common interpretations of these terms among 'Alim have the US being just as much under Dar-al-Islam as Egypt or Saudi Arabia are.

But of course Alim does not represent the Muslims of Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan, etc.

I would very much like their interpretations agreed upon by Muslims worldwide (if not abolished altogether )

 

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Bishadi
rahm emmanual who sits in the whitehouse, his daddy was irgun. (a registered terrorist)

Bishadi believes that men are guilty for the crimes of their fathers?

oh, and btw, Rahm Immanuel resigned months ago.

 

[Bishadi]

And has Rahm Emmanual committed any crimes?

sure, he used (il)legal means to get his application approved in chicago to run for mayor.

the people voted in the law, he paid to get that fixed.

a crime to 'we the people'

. You went off on a tangent about Irgun - why?

because without terrorism, israel would not have a concentration camp called GAZA

Simple!

Concentration camps, under the Nazi regime, did not have shopping centers.

nor did they have 1.5 million people in it.

The Jews who were murdered in 1929 were Jews who could not be considered Zionists. 'Brothers' as you described them, were killed for no reason.

kind of like the indians in the america's; for no reason

Or maybe it was due to antisemitism that was inflamed by their religious leaders, as was the case in 1929.

what is anti-semitism?

perhaps another story line quite similar to how ww2 was turned into a holocaust.

ie... ww2 was not about jews. 60mil plus died in that war and less than 10% of the deaths were jewish.

Is this what passes as an argument from you? 'Gotta receipt?'

you claimed the land purchase (israel/jeruselem) was all nice and legal like.

Sure a few purchases were/are made but do not cover up, the FACT that zionism (terrorist) are why israel even exists with an existing concentration camp (gaza) on its door.

I assume you had no problem with the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank and Egyptian occupation of Gaza?

jordan and syria own the west back/golan and the occupiers took the land (crossed the jordan)

ie....the whole creation of that state is from terrorism and force of self determined people following a religious purpose

zionist are the first 'jihad' quacks of the globe.

heck ww2 did not start until a holy war was declared by the judaic folks all over the world (1933)

 

[armageddonman]

no opinion other than at face value, you have a point.

Thanks. So would you then agree that Palestinian Arabs are being treated very badly by Lebanese Arabs?

like i said, it reminds me of the mexicans within the US; is that right too?

yes/no

No.

Mexicans in the US aren't refugees who are displaced by an invasion of their home country and those who are born in the US by Mexican parents become US citizens with full rights.

Also, there is no law which specificall prevents Mexicans from working in certain jobs.

Therefore, not even close.

 

[armageddonman]

most any country is governed by the money.

see saudi arabia

see israel (our money)



pakistan is muslim but our money is why muslims are not using them weapons
ie... the pakis hate americans worst than iranians.

Dodging the question again, I see.

 

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Bishadi [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif[/qimg]
rahm emmanual who sits in the whitehouse, his daddy was irgun. (a registered terrorist)

Bishadi believes that men are guilty for the crimes of their fathers?

no i didn't.............

i pointed out, a bonafide terrorist lineage and what you just did was set the standard;

ie..... israel has no right to palestine based on what happened by ottos or solomon, or anything of ww2.

oh, and btw, Rahm Immanuel resigned months ago.

Obama would not sign the Jeruselem Embassey Act....................

 

[Bishadi]

Thanks. So would you then agree that Palestinian Arabs are being treated very badly by Lebanese Arabs?

lots of nasties

No.

Mexicans in the US aren't refugees who are displaced by an invasion of their home country and those who are born in the US by Mexican parents become US citizens with full rights.

Also, there is no law which specificall prevents Mexicans from working in certain jobs.

Therefore, not even close.

OK.... lets go into israel. How many muslim are in the israeli military? What is the population of israeli citizens, that are muslims? How many prime minister candidates are/were/will ever be, muslims?

 

[A'isha]

But of course Alim does not represent the Muslims of Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan, etc.

No, though al-Azhar is pretty big and influential among Sunnis worldwide. Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani, the most influential of the many Shia clerics (to the point where he actually has his own website to answer questions sent to him by Muslims worldwide), has also ruled that Muslims not only are permitted to live in non-Muslim countries, but also should follow the secular laws of those countries even when it conflicts with religious dictates, such as divorce or women having to remove their hijab for things like a driver's license or passport photo.

Of course, Shia Islam is even more splintered than Sunni Islam. al-Sistani himself, for instance, stands in direct opposition to a lot of what the ruling clerics of Iran decree (including the founding principle of Iran's theocratic state, Khomeini's vilayat-e-faqih), despite all of them being Shi'ite.

I would very much like their interpretations agreed upon by Muslims worldwide (if not abolished altogether )

Given the fractious nature of Muslim theological scholarship, this is difficult at best and impossible at worst.

I think the most we can hope for is that a large, if not overwhelming, majority agree with these kind of rulings.

 

[armageddonman]

lots of nasties


OK.... lets go into israel. How many muslim are in the israeli military? What is the population of israeli citizens, that are muslims? How many prime minister candidates are/were/will ever be, muslims?

No idea but I think that I have mentioned that i'm not a blind supporter of Israel?

 

[DC]

lots of nasties


OK.... lets go into israel. How many muslim are in the israeli military? What is the population of israeli citizens, that are muslims? How many prime minister candidates are/were/will ever be, muslims?

Many more than Jews in the PA.

 

[Bishadi]

Many more than Jews in the PA.

israel is in PA

 

[DC]

israel is in PA

Nope

 

[bikerdruid]

No idea but I think that I have mentioned that i'm not a blind supporter of Israel?

bishadi is a consummate anti-semite.
those of us that do not support israels domestic and foreign policies are viewed by rabid zionists as anti-semitic.
bishadi's hatred runs much deeper than that.