Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Oh, and before I go. Yeah, I'll probably get suspended (AGAIN)...........

WHY is this thread also listed under *UNSOLVED CRIME*????
 
capealadin said:
Not NOON!!!! 12.00am!!!!!!!!!!!!!So, let's go back. There is after all, a difference between an afternoon call, and an early morning call.Perhaps this has been pointed out earlier, so I'll read and catch up.
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The actual time of the first phone call from Amanda to her mother was 12:47:43 on Nov. 2nd, 2007 CET. Click this link to see what time it was in other places around the world.
 
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moodstream said:
ah, the Sharon Stone Amanda Knox!

What could she gain by blaming Patrick that she could not do better by saying nothing at all, or blaming Guede?

Amanda's jumping on Raffaele may have been a more common occurrence than you suspect.
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The problem with Knox persuaded Sollecito to give her an alibi leads to a few problems.
Sollecito would be innocent of murder since he wasn't there. Which would then mean Curatolo is lying, Rudy is lying, Mignini's 3 person murder is a load of bullcrap. The bathmat footprint they claimed was Sollecito's would be crap and the Braclasp would be even more suspect than it is now. Thats not counting the knife which is claimed that knox took from Sollecito's to her own apartment. So basicly anyone that believes Sollecito is covering for knox must realize there is 0 evidence left that would support Knox being part of the murder.

I'm betting Mignini realized this also.
 
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OK. Rose says it was 4.47. AM. That, I think, is an ung-dly hour, NORMALLY.

Please, so NOT ask me for a a link. In my world, that is not the normal hour in the morning, to arise. Please refrain from bombarding me with declarations , that that is the time that y'll get out of bed.
 
daylight savings time

nopoirot said:
In the translation of the trial transcript offered on PMF, Francesco Moresca, the attorney for the Kercher family, in his examination of Amanda about the aforementioned call, makes the following comment:

FM: Yes, certainly, page 35-36 of the transcription of the conversation of Nov 10. Your mother, surprised, says: You called me three times. You say: Oh, I don't remember that. She says Okay, you called me once to tell me of some things that had shocked you. But this happened before anything really happened in the house, says your mother.

Carlo dalla Vedova, Amanda's lawyer, rises to his feet to protest that Moresca has left out Amanda's explanation that the "stress" inducing her failure of memory was occasioned by the rapidity of events, but he makes no objection to the authenticity of the transcript of the recording or of the 12:00 pm / 3:00 am timing assigned to Amanda's telephone call to her mother, nor does he raise a claim of prosecutorial misconduct.

Bah, humbug.
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nopoirot,

The first call to her mother took place at approximately 12:45 Perugia time, which was 4:45, not 3:45 Seattle time. This is because the US and Italy did not leave daylight savings time on the same date in 2007.

Merry Christmas!
 
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No way would I get out of bed at 4:47am. It's dark, the heat hasn't come on yet and there is a ferocious cat that likes to nibble on bare toes.



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(Posted from my iPad while staying warm and safe in bed)
 
capealadin said:
OK. Rose says it was 4.47. AM. That, I think, is an ung-dly hour, NORMALLY.

Please, so NOT ask me for a a link. In my world, that is not the normal hour in the morning, to arise. Please refrain from bombarding me with declarations , that that is the time that y'll get out of bed.
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I am cooking Italian for Christmas dinner today and I was up even earlier (please ignore this part capealadin; dinner message is for Dan O.). Amanda's mom did indeed remember the call and cape is right that for most people 4:47 is still early but is quite a significant difference in the 3AM falsely claimed by Comodē.
 
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capealadin said:
OK. Rose says it was 4.47. AM. That, I think, is an ung-dly hour, NORMALLY.

Please, so NOT ask me for a a link. In my world, that is not the normal hour in the morning, to arise. Please refrain from bombarding me with declarations , that that is the time that y'll get out of bed.
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When a family member's advice is needed about a serious situation there is no inappropriate hour.
 
Odd, is it not, that Amanda, during her interminable examination at trial relative to her series of compromising declarations, nowhere claims the police falsely represented to her that they had a witness, photographic evidence, a bloody footprint or any other such evidence placing her at the scene. And Raf, in his plaints of "psychological torture" (stripping and cuffing), mentions nothing along these lines, not even that they told him they had enough to "nail" Amanda. "But what if they ..." just doesn't find support in the record.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
There were some faint peaks, but nothing that could be fairly regarded as the profile of an unknown subject. It seems they found Meredith's DNA in two spots on Filomena's floor, and Amanda's DNA was in one of those samples.

Amanda's profile was also visible in the other sample, but the peaks were below the threshold used in all the DNA tests except that for the knife blade.

Here are the relevant e-grams:

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Charlie,

So far I have only looked at these electropherograms in a preliminary way, and I would need more time to do a proper job. Yet I see alleles that do not seem to arise from either Meredith or Amanda, if I am not mistaken. The extra alleles do not constitute a full profile. But if they were deposited by someone who did not murder Meredith, then I see no reason to assume that Amanda's DNA was also not deposited innocently. In other words, I think that the extra alleles weaken the argument that this profile is inculpatory (not that the argument was strong to start with).
 
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nopoirot said:
Odd, is it not, that Amanda, during her interminable examination at trial relative to her series of compromising declarations, nowhere claims the police falsely represented to her that they had a witness, photographic evidence, a bloody footprint or any other such evidence placing her at the scene. And Raf, in his plaints of "psychological torture" (stripping and cuffing), mentions nothing along these lines, not even that they told him they had enough to "nail" Amanda. "But what if they ..." just doesn't find support in the record.
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nopoirot,

Odd is it not that the defense team never named the group responsible for (accidentally, we hope) erasing the information on when the file of Stardust had been accessed, prior to its being accessed on November 6. The lawyer said words to the effect of, "We are not saying who it is, but you can guess." Maybe it is the same reason.
 
nopoirot said:
Odd, is it not, that Amanda, during her interminable examination at trial relative to her series of compromising declarations, nowhere claims the police falsely represented to her that they had a witness, photographic evidence, a bloody footprint or any other such evidence placing her at the scene. And Raf, in his plaints of "psychological torture" (stripping and cuffing), mentions nothing along these lines, not even that they told him they had enough to "nail" Amanda. "But what if they ..." just doesn't find support in the record.
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Her 6 November handwritten note said:

I have been told there is hard evidence saying that I was at the place of the murder of my friend when it happened. This, I want to confirm, is something that to me, if asked a few days ago, would be impossible.

I know that Raffaele has placed evidence against me, saying that I was not with him on the night of Meredith's murder, but let me tell you this. In my mind there are things I remember and things that are confused. My account of this story goes as follows, despite the evidence stacked against me:
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During her trial testimony it would have been nice if they had asked her if the police suggested to her these things. If they did ask that question, I missed it.
 
Ha scritto la giuria nelle sue motivazioni: «Il rispetto della regola posta dall'articolo 533 (pronuncia di condanna soltanto se l'imputato risulta colpevole del reato contestatogli al di là di ogni ragionevole dubbio) non consente di condividere totalmente le decisioni della Corte d'Assise di primo grado…». The jury wrote in its motivation: "Respect for the rule laid down in Article 533 (imposition of sentence only if the accused is guilty of the offense complained of beyond a reasonable doubt) does not fully share the Court's decisions d 'Assizes of the first degree .

Has anyone seen the rest of (or other portions of)this motivation quoted from the last appeal hearing?
 
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