The Freeman Movement and England

[Stacey Grove]

I'm having trouble catching my breath! The court process is one gigantic trust.

How fiendishly evil. Even those corrupt oath swearing judges are unaware of this deep dark secret set in place by... who actually set it in place?

 

[Cocana The Second]

How fiendishly evil. Even those corrupt oath swearing judges are unaware of this deep dark secret set in place by... who actually set it in place?

Has to be the Romans. They're the flavour of the week it seems.

Also, to what end has this trusts conspiracy been deployed? Like, WTF! An evil judicial conspiracy to get money and property paid over to people who make claims for it in court? SOOOOOO eviiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllll!!

Can we also take her comments again, line by line, just to fully absorb the lunacy:

An Equity Court is a Trust

WTF (again)?!

The judge is the Fiduciary

What about the "contestants"?

The Victim is the benfeficiary

Presumably she means beneficiary. What about when the Defendant is successful? To be fair, I suppose she might mean that Defendants are "Victims" as well

and the contestants are the Trustees.

O, hang on, the Claimant and Defendant are trustees as well as beneficiaries. What about the judge? Say again Mary. Totally flummoxed now.

The Crown (who is the Crown) is the Grantor.

Well, I'm glad the Crown is the Crown. Big relief. Oh, but the Crown is the Grantor too. What exactly is the Crown granting? Don't tell me, the Crown is granting some rights to money or property through the court to the Claimant and the Defendant, who then as trustees and presumably in consultation with the judge/trustee/fiduciary decide to award it to one or other of themselves.

O yeah Mary, that makes sense.

 

[D'rok]

I suppose someone has, at some point, tried to explain to her that there is no such thing as a separate Equity court anymore?

Not that it would have any effect.

 

[Cocana The Second]

I suppose someone has, at some point, tried to explain to her that there is no such thing as a separate Equity court anymore?

Not that it would have any effect.

Yep, that one was tried long ago. You are absolutely correct with your assessment too - she wasn't having any of it.

Your powers of prediction are quite something. The force is strong in you.

 

[Stacey Grove]

Has to be the Romans.

Of course. Everything boils down to those blighters.

Well, I'm glad the Crown is the Crown. Big relief. Oh, but the Crown is the Grantor too. What exactly is the Crown granting? Don't tell me, the Crown is granting some rights to money or property through the court to the Claimant and the Defendant, who then as trustees and presumably in consultation with the judge/trustee/fiduciary decide to award it to one or other of themselves.

Hold on, hold on, you may have just discovered the secret of accessing the bond.
I've come over all emotional.

 

[D'rok]

Yep, that one was tried long ago. You are absolutely correct with your assessment too - she wasn't having any of it.

Your powers of prediction are quite something. The force is strong in you.

These are not the trusts you are looking for (waves hand).

 

[Cocana The Second]

Of course. Everything boils down to those blighters.




Hold on, hold on, you may have just discovered the secret of accessing the bond.
I've come over all emotional.

To be fair, I have to give Mary some credit for that one.

It's all so easy, it seems. All we need to do is get a group of us together, running both sides of a dispute, each side claiming a sensationally huge sum and it gets granted to us through the court trust.

Gee thanks Mary. We're millionaires in the making and you were the key.

 

[gtm]

I suppose someone has, at some point, tried to explain to her that there is no such thing as a separate Equity court anymore?

Not that it would have any effect.

Ah ha. Actually there is one (but I doubt girlgye was thinking about it)

http://courts.state.de.us/Chancery/index.stm

It's a sort of legal coelacanth.

 

[sophia8]

The freemen always like to throw in this little gem from Edward Mandell House

http://www.freedompool.org/HouseQuote.htm

This reads like an addendum to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It even uses the same hands-rubbing bwahahah the cattle chattel will never guess our brilliant plan! type of language.

 

[D'rok]

Ah ha. Actually there is one (but I doubt girlgye was thinking about it)

http://courts.state.de.us/Chancery/index.stm

It's a sort of legal coelacanth.

Well I'll be...

I had no idea. This is kind of awesome.

 

[Cocana The Second]

Don't forget we do still have the Chancery Division of the High Court in the UK as well, although our courts have administered common law and equity concurrently for 130+ years.

 

[D'rok]

Ah ha. Actually there is one (but I doubt girlgye was thinking about it)

http://courts.state.de.us/Chancery/index.stm

It's a sort of legal coelacanth.

This is fascinating for a law nerd:

http://courts.state.de.us/Chancery/history.stm

and the obligatory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Court_of_Chancery

 

[Cocana The Second]

PS - Sorry, slightly off topic but going back to my Freemanballs of earlier, I forgot the obvious Rob Menard classic

I use logic and reason

 

[tsig]

Has Girlgye just taken wackiness to a new level? Ladies and gentlemen I give you the following from the "Mary Croft Appointing the Judge as Trustee" thread:





I'm having trouble catching my breath! The court process is one gigantic trust. Yeah, right Girlgye. Take another pill soon, please.

Still, she's inviting someone to prove that she's talking bollocks. Well that won't be hard. Who is up for it?

Trouble is that she is so convinced about her insane ramblings that nothing is going to shake her. She even says,



This is simply beautiful and a brand new Freemanball right there. Proof = no proof, Girlgye = gospel.

Looks like a straightforward bid for leadership. Note:

The patriot Movement has been going officially for 40 years.
There are people around alot longer than Menard, Croft and the latter Frank O Collins.

That seems to be an Appeal to Ancient Authority.

Will Rob take this laying down or foaming over? Will he find a Higher Authority?

Lesson to be learned:

"Never get between a freeman and their freeloading.

 

[tsig]

To be fair, I have to give Mary some credit for that one.

It's all so easy, it seems. All we need to do is get a group of us together, running both sides of a dispute, each side claiming a sensationally huge sum and it gets granted to us through the court trust.

Gee thanks Mary. We're millionaires in the making and you were the key.

Ay, ye may win the judgment but who's to pay?

 

[Cocana The Second]

Ay, ye may win the judgment but who's to pay?

According to Mary's analysis, the Crown. Genius. Maybe. Possibly. I think.

 

[gtm]

This is fascinating for a law nerd:

http://courts.state.de.us/Chancery/history.stm

and the obligatory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Court_of_Chancery

Yes, note the extremely unsubtle dig at the English Courts of Chancery in the Delaware blurb. I think a pompous email is in order setting them right.

As for legal oddities here in England we can ace the Delawarians on all fronts. We have a Court of Chivalry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Chivalry

& we also have various consistorial courts that deal with ecclesiastical law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistory_court

We also have odd ball legal professionals. Check out these guys!

http://www.scrivener-notaries.org.uk/

The freemen ascribe almost superhuman powers to Notaries so the mind boggles as to what will happen when they find out about the scriveners.

 

[jargon buster]

At last we have finally learned where yozhik has done his research: Mary and Frank.

thats worse than I originally thought
He has contacted two separate people and took their word at face value without any further "research" whatsoever.??????
Well, he is a "would be" freeman after all, and thats common practice.

 

[D'rok]

Yes, note the extremely unsubtle dig at the English Courts of Chancery in the Delaware blurb. I think a pompous email is in order setting them right.

The role of procedural and doctrinal inflexibility in the decline of England's Chancery Court contrasts with the determination of Delaware's Chancellors over two centuries to eschew broad rules in favor of specific holdings and carefully crafted remedies that address the particular circumstances of the case at hand.

Indeed. I say, and all that.

As for legal oddities here in England we can ace the Delawarians on all fronts. We have a Court of Chivalry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Chivalry

Last convened in 1954?

& we also have various consistorial courts that deal with ecclesiastical law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistory_court

They probably have kickass robes

We also have odd ball legal professionals. Check out these guys!

http://www.scrivener-notaries.org.uk/

The freemen ascribe almost superhuman powers to Notaries so the mind boggles as to what will happen when they find out about the scriveners.

Scriveners. That even sounds vaguely Harry Potterish. Fevered FOTL imaginations will love this.

 

[D'rok]

I think this nicely sums up the Freeman dream:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149835

Dude runs away from his debts in England and ends up in Spain. That didn't work out and now he has to return to Blighty. So, obviously, he needs FOTL legal expertise on how to avoid his creditors when he gets back.