The Freeman Movement and England

[D'rok]

H2pogo could have dipped his hand in his pocket & paid for his own fathers funeral.

Where's the benefit in that?

Jeez, I think you guys need to do more research into contract law.

 

[Cocana The Second]

As if by magic, Girlgye appears with the "reverse proof" reasoning -

Stead v Miller 1877 do not apply in this case. Yes Trusts need to be administratively workable and if proven then that they are indeed workable Trusts that lawful opinion fails and in particular whereupon the party wishes to renegue on their part in that said Trust.

Would the rule against perpetuities apply to the Sovereign also?

I doubt, moot point. You have no proof and cannot proof it one way the other. In short you do not know.

Once it's paid it's gone. How so? Who says? Is that a fact? Prove it to me.

Nothing if not predictable. Even better for her that it dodges the subject matter of the thread at the same time.

 

[gtm]

As if by magic, Girlgye appears with the "reverse proof" reasoning -



Nothing if not predictable. Even better for her that it dodges the subject matter of the thread at the same time.

There are as yet undiscovered tribes in the Amazonian rain forest who have a better grip on Steed v Miller than Girlgye ever will.

 

[Cocana The Second]

Very true.

She's always miffed, but I think she's more miffed today because Rob has said that freemen shouldn't claim benefits and didn't change his position when she politely sought to challenge him on it. Look out world, Mary's on the war path again.

 

[jargon buster]

I just pity the poor unfortunate who will at some point have to share a cell with her.

 

[Vladd]

Maybe HM Prison service could sort out a Freeman wing in one of Her Majesty's corporate hotels.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Does anyone else notice that girlgye seems to be acting more and more...unhinged...as time goes on? Shes never been all there really, and really you can't be totally sane to buy this freeman stuff whole sale and go to jail for it and STILL think its true, but as I read her writing over time it seems to be devolving and becoming less coherent and more the ramblings of a genuinely mentally ill person.

 

[tsig]

Does anyone else notice that girlgye seems to be acting more and more...unhinged...as time goes on? Shes never been all there really, and really you can't be totally sane to buy this freeman stuff whole sale and go to jail for it and STILL think its true, but as I read her writing over time it seems to be devolving and becoming less coherent and more the ramblings of a genuinely mentally ill person.

I was about to say she's starting to act more and more like an amped up rat in a cadge.

 

[tsig]

Why the need for the car to change hands???

jeez.... a guy with money in the bank to pay to bury his dad takes his dead dads car away from his grieving mother.

Way to go honourable freeman H2Pogo

He's a freeman, what's he owe his mother anyway...oh wait.

The amazing thing is he's proud of it.

 

[Cocana The Second]

Does anyone else notice that girlgye seems to be acting more and more...unhinged...as time goes on? Shes never been all there really, and really you can't be totally sane to buy this freeman stuff whole sale and go to jail for it and STILL think its true, but as I read her writing over time it seems to be devolving and becoming less coherent and more the ramblings of a genuinely mentally ill person.

I don't recall a time when she has ever come across as sane. She has really got a bee in her bonnet on the freeloader issue though. The weight of opinion went against her, even Rob went against her, and she got the total arse with that. Shame.

 

[jargon buster]

I think it is a safe assumption that Ms Gye is living on state handouts.
Im sure this is the reason she so staunchly defends the position of others accepting them.
Oh and she is unhinged by the way.
She constantly complains who exhausted she is answering everyones questions and "researching", this researching nonsense consists of trawling freeman/commercial redemption sites.
The secretive law society could easily outwit the freeman researchers by just not posting stuff op the web, because thats the only place they look.

 

[Cocana The Second]

What, you mean true researchers get off their backsides and trawl for all the evidence?! My word that's anathema to a freeman.

 

[gtm]

I think it is a safe assumption that Ms Gye is living on state handouts.
Im sure this is the reason she so staunchly defends the position of others accepting them.
Oh and she is unhinged by the way.
She constantly complains who exhausted she is answering everyones questions and "researching", this researching nonsense consists of trawling freeman/commercial redemption sites.
The secretive law society could easily outwit the freeman researchers by just not posting stuff op the web, because thats the only place they look.

You've touched on an interesting point. How does a Freeman 'research'? Quite often one of the little tinkers will proudly announce he's been 'researching' & unleash a pile of pseudo legal manure on his adoring audience. I agree most of them recycle stuff they find on other freeman / sovereign citizen / commerce sites but the 'Gurus' are expected to come up with fresh dung in order to maintain their 'Guru' status.

I suspect there is a fair bit of cross fertilization from other conspiracy theories. For example over on Icke the new 'fashionable' clod of faeces is the idea that the Roman Catholic Church have some how or other enslaved us via some kind of super secret trust. This was done by Boniface V111 via the Unam Sactam Bull. This is good old fashioned anti clericalism & has been around for centuries.

 

[Mojo]

You've touched on an interesting point. How does a Freeman 'research'? Quite often one of the little tinkers will proudly announce he's been 'researching' & unleash a pile of pseudo legal manure on his adoring audience. I agree most of them recycle stuff they find on other freeman / sovereign citizen / commerce sites but the 'Gurus' are expected to come up with fresh dung in order to maintain their 'Guru' status.

You see the same sort of thing happening with homoeopaths. Most of them only ever seem to read what other homoeopaths have written. While there are a few out there producing new material (much of which is then misinterpreted, or is the result of misinterpretation itself), most of them just rely on whatever other homoeopaths say. If you ask for a source for a claim, you will (if they bother to cite a source at all) just be directed to the same information on another homoeopath's website. I suspect that this means that most of them are quite unaware that their claims are wrong.

 

[jargon buster]

You've touched on an interesting point. How does a Freeman 'research'? Quite often one of the little tinkers will proudly announce he's been 'researching' & unleash a pile of pseudo legal manure on his adoring audience.

If you trace back all their "research" it must originally source from a law/legal textbook.
They however can only misquote and misrepresent the meaning of the said books to achieve any success.
Yozhiks "trusts" thread is a classic example, he constantly dodged the issue of where he got the information for the basis of his argument because to reveal that it was from a legal/lawful source would have destroyed his argument, and also revealing it didnt come from a recognised source would have had the same effect.

not very bright is yozhik

 

[gtm]

You see the same sort of thing happening with homoeopaths. Most of them only ever seem to read what other homoeopaths have written. While there are a few out there producing new material (much of which is then misinterpreted, or is the result of misinterpretation itself), most of them just rely on whatever other homoeopaths say. If you ask for a source for a claim, you will (if they bother to cite a source at all) just be directed to the same information on another homoeopath's website. I suspect that this means that most of them are quite unaware that their claims are wrong.

The same garbage repeated on various different sites gives it the illusion of legitimacy.

 

[Mojo]

The same garbage repeated on various different sites gives it the illusion of legitimacy.

The trouble is that it all falls over when it comes up against the real world. For example a claim that four out of five comprehensive systematic reviews are positive for homoeopathy has been going around the internet for years, but when it was submitted as evidence to a parliamentary committee it was rapidly shot down.

Of course, homoeopaths have claimed that this is because the committee was in on the conspiracy.

 

[gtm]

If you trace back all their "research" it must originally source from a law/legal textbook.
They however can only misquote and misrepresent the meaning of the said books to achieve any success.
Yozhiks "trusts" thread is a classic example, he constantly dodged the issue of where he got the information for the basis of his argument because to reveal that it was from a legal/lawful source would have destroyed his argument, and also revealing it didnt come from a recognised source would have had the same effect.

not very bright is yozhik

Naaah, wikipedia at best. None of them own a legal text book or can be bother to borrow one from the library - too much like hard work.

I blame Blacks (no good freeman can do without a copy) for alot of this. They look at an entry, get over excited & then 'research' the term / maxim & come up with a typically ludicrous conclusion.

 

[Cocana The Second]

Here's some classic Yozhik critical analysis, from "Government and the Rule of Law Exposed":

Originally Posted by rumpole

They be ye olde Roman Law maxims (& about as much use as a chocolate teapot)

According to who or what?
Use of whom?
In which context?


Or given your narrow focus in your replies on this forum, would it be safe to assume that you are speaking purely from a 'law' stand point and your statement would be more accurately phrased as;

"they are older Roman Law maxims which have served their use and have now been judged by the judiciary and the courts to be of no use to current legal procedures and have no further relevance to jurisprudence or legal process ..."

Which of course will be followed up by the cursory, stock standard justification of;
"Society progresses ... the law and its processes need to reflect that evolution ..."
Is that fairly accurate, if not in words, then in general principles?

Criticising the law for moving with the times. How dare those lawyer types! What ARE you saying Yozhik? Maybe it's something like this:

"Lets have some latin please and lots of it. Damn those freemen for previously saying that the law is incomprehensible, we want it to be more incomprehensible, that's the answer. And we'll have a good old moan about at being even more incomprehensible from the re-introduction of latin at some later date.

While we're at it, let's bring in some good old laws eh?! Lets have some dunking stools and gallows. Debtors prison and the colonies too, for those who don't act honourably with their finances. O hang on, that screws most freemen. Ummmm, oh I don't know. What was I saying?"

 

[Cocana The Second]

Naaah, wikipedia at best. None of them own a legal text book or can be bother to borrow one from the library - too much like hard work.

I blame Blacks (no good freeman can do without a copy) for alot of this. They look at an entry, get over excited & then 'research' the term / maxim & come up with a typically ludicrous conclusion.

Yup.

Doesn't inspire confidence that Girlgye thinks Halsbury's Laws is "Hansburys" so I'm pretty confident that she's never even seen a volume, let alone read one. Then again her misspelling is not exactly the only reason for concluding that she has never done any legal research.