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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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This article shows that what he wrote was part of his testimony and in the media well before he returned to Italy.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2946813.ece

Mr Guede reportedly said that his efforts to save Miss Kercher failed, but he heard her dying words, which were either the initials "AF" or the sound "af".

La Stampa said that the latter version could be an attempt to point the finger of blame at Raffaele Sollecito, Ms Knox's Italian boyfriend.
 
odeed said:
Link to the full gallery http://www.bluestar-forensic.com/gb/gallery.php rather than cherry picking pictures, also from that site



And from the above quote, I would say that this picture showsattempted cleanup of footprint and this shows handprint not cleaned up.

The pictures I originally posted from the Kercher crime scene, show what you expected in earlier posts, and you resort to shifting the goalposts by introducing caveats of something I expect you have little or no knowledge of, as well as trying to ridicule the forensic investigation without any evidence.
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Thanks for the links! The "very messy cleanup" gallery is interesting. We can see entire surfaces glowing very intensively. I'd say it's dissimilar to the ILE's 3 luminol findings.
 
Concerning Guede

I think if Rudy Guede was to testify finally, it would be quite positive for the defense. Yes, he is a skilled liar, but this time he would be given an impossible task - to concoct a precise and believable story placing AK and RS with him at the crime scene and explaining the known evidence.
There will be no hand waving allowed and time segments and order of events will be scrutinized. There's a good reason why no one on the prosecution side came up with any coherent narrative so far. Rudy will fail as many others before.
 
Hi DanO, Halides1, RoseMontague, Charlie Wilkes, Mary H, LondonJohn, Katy did, Katody Matrass and others,

I'm still curious about more than a few things in this brutal murder that we discuss that took a young womans life away from her family and friends,
so if you have a moment, please give me your opinion of what I ask below:

It appears that Rudy Guede left the girls apartment around 10:30pm the night Meredith Kercher was murdered.
If so, could the unknown person who pressed random buttons on the dial on Meredith's cell phone have been Meredith herself?
Was it she herself trying to call out, to anyone, for help?

I probably know the answer to that question already, but it does bring to mind that Alessandra Formica saw someone of color leaving the area of the scene of the crime at around 10:30pm.
IIRC, she said in her court testimony that this person apparently did not want to be seen and was not Rudy Guede.

Now this is what I find strange:
Miss Formica, an unbiased witness says that the person she saw was not Rudy Guede. Didn't this guy run into her and her guy "friend"? He must have been very close to both of them when this occurred.
Many do not seem to believe Alessandra Formica though and think that she did indeed see Rudy Guede leaving the area.
Well then, what about the cell phone calls then? Weren't they made by a different cell phone tower, suggesting that the cell phones had already left the gals apartment?

Antonio Curatolo, who, if he did even see Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox that night, did so from a much greater distance than Alessandra Formica did, but yet NO ONE seems to doubt that it was Raffaele and Amanda he saw.

An unbiased witness who saw someone close-up and then came forward on her own is mistaken,
BUT a unbiased(?) witness, who came forward at the behest of a journalist and says that he saw a guy and girl from much farther away is correct in his identification?

I wonder of this and a few different things today as the rain continues to fall here in Los Angeles.
Happy Holidays,
RWVBWL

PS-The rest of the continental USA has some big storms comin' their way!
 
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The first photo you've posted show a shoe print where no clean-up has been attempted. the pattern of the shoe tread is clear and sharp. This is indeed similar to the Luminol photos in the cottage. There's a reason why there's one section of that gallery titled "a very messy cleaning" - and it's cos it shows photos of a very messy cleaning. There's also a reason why the shoe print photo is not in that gallery. It's cos that shoe print wasn't a remnant of an attempted clean-up.

So, ironically, you've proven my point very eloquently.
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The galleries in the link are just examples of what the product can do and probably not from real cases (there is a link to real cases), so I take the gallery headings with a pinch of salt, you posted from two pictures from "Blood projections and traces" gallery in your cherry picking, I only made a guess of what the pictures showed using the quote I provided.

You still shifted the goalposts when confronted with evidence, using the criteria you originally posted.
 
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ETA: Oh, in the second photo, are you supposing that the strange shadowy artifacts at the top left and lower left side of the photo are Luminol-revealed smears? "Smears" that are in a different colour range (lilac) to the turquoise-blue of the true Luminol luminescence? "Smears" that are in fact almost certainly camera artifacts of some sort?
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I think that this picture had been discussed before, and those objects are items on the floor (one I think is a sweatshirt or jumper), it is evident that you are not familiar with evidence of the case which has been available for many months.
 
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odeed said:
I think that this picture had been discussed before, and those objects are items on the floor (one I think is a sweatshirt or jumper), it is evident that you are not familiar with evidence of the case which has been available for many months.
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That is indeed evident - you're absolutely correct. I must try harder. Isn't it interesting, though, how they have a translucent quality, suggesting that the "crack" forensics team might have removed them from the field of view part-way through the exposure?

But anyway, if you're not referring to these strange lilac artifacts, which part of that photo do you assert shows evidence of smearing?
 
odeed said:
I think that this picture had been discussed before, and those objects are items on the floor (one I think is a sweatshirt or jumper), it is evident that you are not familiar with evidence of the case which has been available for many months.
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They are feet covered in white shoe covers, aren't they? That's what they look like to me anyway, a person standing with a foot either side of the prints.
 
Katody Matrass said:
I guess, it was a nice surprise to Rudy that 3 people were jailed almost immediately and "case closed" was announced. He was baffled by all this a bit. Yes, he knew the horror of Meredith's room. But the fake blood bathroom photo, the exaggerated news reports about amount of blood all over the house (corridor included), along with the swift arrests gave him a false hope that maybe something unforeseen happened that would allow him to lie out of this somehow.
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Katody: It's not about exaggerated news reports. It's about what HE SAW!!. I don't know what he thought, re arrests. Or something unforseen.
 
Katody Matrass said:
I think if Rudy Guede was to testify finally, it would be quite positive for the defense. Yes, he is a skilled liar, but this time he would be given an impossible task - to concoct a precise and believable story placing AK and RS with him at the crime scene and explaining the known evidence.
There will be no hand waving allowed and time segments and order of events will be scrutinized. There's a good reason why no one on the prosecution side came up with any coherent narrative so far. Rudy will fail as many others before.
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Talking about Rudy testifying. " To concoct a precise and believable story, explaining. " No hand waving, and time segments, etc. That would be no different then, to Amanda's retelling of the events.
 
Hi everyone,
Being a guy who grew up in eccentric Venice Beach, my mind wanders abit.

And right now I am specifically wondering if there is any possible way that it was Meredith Kercher herself who could have possibly dialed out, for help, by randomly pressing buttons on her own cell phone as she lay dying in a pool of her own blood?

Any answers apreciated.
Thanks, RWVBWL
 
Christiannahanna: I had to go out, and am replying to your questions now. Except, sorry, I don't have the answers. As far as Rudy talking about all the blood, it would make no difference, IMO, when he wrote it. His recollection is that there was a lot of blood in the bathroom and corridor. I know the bathroom looked very different after it had been sprayed, but not the corridor.
 
There's a really good new piece up on TJMK - it's balanced and completely free of any form of confirmation bias, and well worth a read.

What's its title?

"The Limited DNA Reviews - Why They Probably Won’t Help Defense And May At A Stroke Be Game Over"

Enjoy!
 
capealadin said:
Talking about Rudy testifying. " To concoct a precise and believable story, explaining. " No hand waving, and time segments, etc. That would be no different then, to Amanda's retelling of the events.
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I disagree. When you throw away Curatolo, her story fits the evidence quite well.
 
RWVBWL said:
Hi everyone,
Being a guy who grew up in eccentric Venice Beach, my mind wanders abit.

And right now I am specifically wondering if there is any possible way that it was Meredith Kercher herself who could have possibly dialed out, for help, by randomly pressing buttons on her own cell phone as she lay dying in a pool of her own blood?

Any answers apreciated.
Thanks, RWVBWL
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Hey Randy

I'd wondered about this too. However, it's likely that Meredith would have been incapacitated almost immediately after receiving the neck wounds - for one thing, she couldn't breathe. I think it's highly likely that the combination of shock and asphyxiation would have rendered her unconscious very quickly. And since the two aborted calls were made two minutes apart, I think it's incredibly unlikely that Meredith would have been conscious for long enough to carry out both calls.

I also think that Guede may well have assaulted Meredith as she lay bleeding (as horrible as that is), and therefore he'd have noticed her trying to dial out and snatched the phone from her. Again, the two-minute gap in the two calls has a further impact on the low likelihood of this, in my view.

Having just browsed the relevant part of Massei again, I think it's interesting that it reports that the call to Meredith's UK bank (Abbey) was picked up by the mobile network, but no record of it was retained in the mobile handset's own memory. I think this can be explained by it having been a short-code call, since I imagine such a call might not show up in the "dialled numbers" list.

I strongly suspect that the explanation for these two calls is that someone (almost certainly Guede) was trying to turn off the handset. I think that in doing so he pressed and held random buttons, and as soon as he saw that his actions were resulting in a dialled call, he pressed the "end call" button (which would be an obvious button to locate). I think after the second erroneous call (to Abbey - although it would never have connected owing to the lack of international prefixes) he probably gave up and accepted that he couldn't turn off the handset.

I think Guede left the cottage at around the time of these phone calls, or shortly afterwards. I think that he was following the quiet road round outside the city wall back to his apartment, to avoid being seen. I think that he was then startled by the alert for the incoming MMS at 10.13pm, and he decided to dump the handsets, so he walked further up the road to where he thought there was a steep ravine, and threw the handsets as far as he could.

Oh lastly, I don't think that the man seen by Alessandra Formica at shortly after 10.30pm (when he bumped into her boyfriend) was Guede. The timing is wrong (the broken down car's occupants would have seen Guede exiting the cottage), and also Formica noted the man's appearance as "North African" - which is a very different facial appearance to the Sub-Saharan African features of Guede.

Hope you have a great festive season. I don't suppose you'll get as much snow in LA as we have done here in the UK though :p
 
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