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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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colonelhall said:
Justinian 2: "The PMF would like you to discuss cartwheels."

Are you joining Chris C in deliberately ignoring the question?

It is an easy question. At what time did the interview begin? At what time did it finish?

As has been repeatedly pointed out. Everyone knows about the "cartwheel" incident. Everybody has their own idea about it. That means that everybody should be able to ascertain that at sometime around midnight Knox was not being interviewed.

I may have my timings wrong, but I make it a two-hour interview. If I am wrong, by how much?
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I believe it was 43 hours in a week.

Do you have the text of the original signed confession?
 
Justinian2 said:
My idea is that Amanda did the cartwheels to alleviate stress and light-headedness. When I was young, I used to touch the toes when I felt that blood was pooling in my lower extremities and I was becoming light-headed.
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Fair enough. I don't suppose there is anything desperately sinister in the cartwheels.

Justinian2 said:
No, of course not. Weren't witches ugly?
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Not my type, but I think you're being a little harsh.
 
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Justinian2: "I believe it was 43 hours in a week."

That is not the answer to the question.

Knox offered a written statement, but it has been claimed that this only came about as a result of "waterboarding" and non-stop questioning for 14 hours. This claim continues to be made.

My understanding is that she was questioned as a witness for around two hours and then made a suspect.

Do you know the timing of these events or not?

Perhaps we coould then discuss the "43 hours in a week' statement of yours.
 
shuttlt said:
Fair enough. I don't suppose there is anything desperately sinister in the cartwheels.


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Not my type, but I think you're being a little harsh.
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To prove a witch in the Salem witch trials, you had to prove:

1) They cast spells.
2) They talked in tongues.
3) They brewed potients.

Amanda and Raffaele didn't do these things.
 
Justinian2 said:
I believe it was 43 hours in a week.

Do you have the text of the original signed confession?
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You were asked the length of time of that first night's interview (after amanda had turned cartwheels). You responded to the number of hours of interview for THE WEEK.
Can you please answer the question straightforwardly.
 
Justinian2 said:
To prove a witch in the Salem witch trials, you had to prove:

1) They cast spells.
2) They talked in tongues.
3) They brewed potients.

Amanda and Raffaele didn't do these things.
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I guess assault and murder didn't come into play in the witch trials.


Knox's stabbing her roommate to death counts as far far more lethal than those of any Salem witch.
 
Justinian2 said:
To prove a witch in the Salem witch trials, you had to prove:

1) They cast spells.
2) They talked in tongues.
3) They brewed potients.

Amanda and Raffaele didn't do these things.
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You were the one who mentioned "Italian Justice" imprisoning witches, I assumed there was a reason. In any case, don't be so parochial, there are loads of witch trial besides Salem.
 
colonelhall said:
Justinian2: "I believe it was 43 hours in a week."

That is not the answer to the question.

Knox offered a written statement, but it has been claimed that this only came about as a result of "waterboarding" and non-stop questioning for 14 hours. This claim continues to be made.

My understanding is that she was questioned as a witness for around two hours and then made a suspect.

Do you know the timing of these events or not?

Perhaps we coould then discuss the "43 hours in a week' statement of yours.
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Yes, I believe that she did sign something early on into the night. However, I'm not sure:

1) What the 'confession' was. From memory, I think it revealed no correct knowledge of the crime.

2) I don't know the history of Amanda's sleep that week. I understand she went to class one day with only two hours of sleep.

3) I don't know which night the inquisition with twelve people was held.

4) I don't know if they threatened to keep her up all night. She may have had to pee.

5) I haven't seen the recording or videotape of the session.
 
Justinian2 said:
To prove a witch in the Salem witch trials, you had to prove:

1) They cast spells.
2) They talked in tongues.
3) They brewed potients.

Amanda and Raffaele didn't do these things.
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I wouldn't exactly call myself a witch expert. However, to technically be called a witch according to the bible, I believe you had to speak to the dead. Notice I say believe, because its been a long time since i read the part about mediums.
 
shuttlt said:
You were the one who mentioned "Italian Justice" imprisoning witches, I assumed there was a reason. In any case, don't be so parochial, there are loads of witch trial besides Salem.
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They used to submerge the 'suspect' in the town pond on a ducking stool. If the person drowned, they were innocent. If they survived, they were a witch and they burned them to death. Sounds a lot like the Knox case.

If Rudy is aquitted, it's bad for her - if he's guilty, it's bad for her.
 
shuttlt said:
You were the one who mentioned "Italian Justice" imprisoning witches, I assumed there was a reason. In any case, don't be so parochial, there are loads of witch trial besides Salem.
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I thought it was obvious that they were treated like witches.
 
Chris C said:
I wouldn't exactly call myself a witch expert. However, to technically be called a witch according to the bible, I believe you had to speak to the dead. Notice I say believe, because its been a long time since i read the part about mediums.
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The have a few mock witch trials in Salem each day. It's run by a theater group that charges admission. The audience gets to vote on guilt or innocence based on the three criteria provided. Most audiences today vote that the witches were guilty of the three criteria. Then the judge sentences them to hang.

Is the trial of Amanda and Raffaele any different than a witch trial?
 
Justinian2 From your response to a straightforward question, I can only surmise that you know nothing about the case.

Let's now remind Chris C that he has still yet to answer the question regarding the length of interview that night.
 
colonelhall said:
Justinian2 From your response to a straightforward question, I can only surmise that you know nothing about the case.

Let's now remind Chris C that he has still yet to answer the question regarding the length of interview that night.
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I don't believe that it matters whether the interview that night was almost three hours or some other number. Techinically, it's been oft repeated that the actual interrogation that night lasted less than three hours. What is the transcript of the interview? It's all important what was said.
 
My information is as follows:

12:00 Knox begins witness interview.

1:45 Accuses Lamumba and signs a statement. Interview ends.

3:30 At Knox's request, she makes a "spontaneous statement" and is now an official suspect.

5:45 Interrogation ends.

I make this four hours in total.

Steve Moore makes this 14 hours of "waterboarding"

I understand that Knox offers a written account of her involvement in the murder some time later that day. If this came about at 2:00pm then we now have the 14 hour figure. However, at no time has the defence claimed that Knox was being interrogated during this entire period.

The reason that I am trying to get to the bottom of this, is that it pertains as to the reliability of Moore's input.

I am curious as to why the likes of Chris C and others seem to be intent on obscuring the issue.
 
colonelhall said:
Justinian2 From your response to a straightforward question, I can only surmise that you know nothing about the case.

Let's now remind Chris C that he has still yet to answer the question regarding the length of interview that night.
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perhaps you could link the post where i was talking about the length of the interview? Apparently I dont remember talking about the interview. Just made a comment on the cartwheeling.
 
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Chris C "perhaps you could link the post where I was talking about the length of the interview?"

The question was about the length of the interview. Yu never answered it, but chose to talk about cartwheeling.

If you don't know the answer, fine.

It seems that the defenders of Knox, find it easy to put forward Moore as an expert on the case, yet completely ignore the fact that he either knows little or chooses to distort the facts bltantly. They also appear to have developed a tactic of evading simple questions about the case by going off on tangents or pretending to misunderstand.

As I said earlier, I have not checked out JREF for some time, but it seems that nothing changes.
 
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