Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[piktor]

Are Micheli's comments 'worthless fluff' too?

Micheli stated it was possible for Guede to have entered through the window. There is no evidence anyone entered Filomena's room through the broken window.

Investigators concluded it was a staged break in. Knox and Sollecito were found guilty of staging a crime scene and given jail time for it. Guede was not.

 

[SomeAlibi]

You go first. Show us a video of Amanda Knox freaking out and killing someone.

Silly post Charlie. I'm keeping you and Chris H up there as the people one can properly debate with. Don't fail me now!

 

[piktor]

piktor,

Stefanoni was, for once, restrained in her interpretation of the mixes DNA. Yet, Massei managed to stretch beyond Stefanoni's interpretations, concluding things he had no business concluding. Massei also managed to violate a fundamental tenet of forensic genetics in his analysis of the bra clasp. Why should I believe anything in his report under these circumstances?

You would have to read the 10,000 pages of evidence, testimony and expert reports to understand Massei.

Massei has the backing of a professional and thorough investigation. He's no molecular scientist, as you note, but his conclusions are based on fact and evidence.

Is the Rome Supreme Court any wiser? They just convicted Guede on the same investigation used by Massei to convict Knox and Sollecito.

ETA: It is the whole narrative that convicts, not one or two or three DNA charts.

 

[SomeAlibi]

Do you believe Rudy cut Meredith's throat or do you believe someone else cut her throat?(Knox or Sollecito)

Unclear. I believe it was probably Sollecito and perhaps Knox given two knives were used in the assault. The Supreme Court opined today that they believe that Guede held Meredith's left arm while she was stabbed. NB that who actually stabbed Meredith is not relevant to the finding of guilt on all three as a matter of law of homicide in Italy - quite important to appreciate.

Do you believe Rudy raped or sexually assaulted Meredith?

This is an asinine question since Rudy has been convicted and his DNA is inside Meredith's vagina. Please.

Do you believe Knox or Sollecito sexually assaulted Meredith?

Unclear. No evidence suggests.

Was the sexual assault before or after she died?

Obviously before, even by all innocence supporters claims. Daft question.

What time do you believe the assault on Meredith started which ended up in her Murder?

Unclear. Arguments about TOD and trying to establish the exact time of assault are some of the most farcical aspects of the online debate.

What do you think Rudy was doing at the apartment from 8:30pm till the time he left around 10:30pm?

Not clear he was there from 8.30. He was getting wasted with AK and RS. Don't see the evidence he left at 10.30.

What time do you think he took his crap, and raided the fridge for some drink?

See above.

 

[quadraginta]

Pet rabbits?

Tell me about the rabbits

Yeah. Me too.

The trig and plane geometry classes I took in junior high and high school were sadly lacking in references to pet rabbits, as I recall. Of course that was quite a few years ago, so perhaps I am not remembering clearly.

 

[SomeAlibi]

The article written by Somealibi is a perfect example of how information is continuously misrepresented. The entire article stems from one blog entry taken out of context. If Somealibi would like to apologize to Steve and Michelle, I will send him some plastic flowers as a thank you.

Very ugly comment Bruce, very unbecoming. How about actually answering the question? You said on your own website you had approached an FBI agent. Note your action going out to them, not responding to... was it Moore or someone else? What is your comment, on the record as to whether you approached them or they contacted you?

Answer the question please.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Very ugly comment Bruce, very unbecoming. How about actually answering the question? You said on your own website you had approached an FBI agent. Note your action going out to them, not responding to... was it Moore or someone else? What is your comment, on the record as to whether you approached them or they contacted you?

Answer the question please.

I will make this simple. It is very easy to understand. Steve and Michelle were discussing the case in a public setting. They had both felt that Amanda and Raffaele were 100% innocent. I contacted them based on their comments.

What are you missing here? Your article is 100% false based solely on one blog post taken out of context. You claim to be an attorney. Is it your professional opinion that you based your conclusions on solid facts?

 

[LiamG.]

Tell me about the rabbits

My opinion is, that RG was figuring out the formula :
tan (alpha) =opposite leg / adjacent leg, while he was floating above the ground below filomenas window to assure himself, that he could not be seen after his spider man climb during his balancing on the window sill, though he might be illuminated by the cone of lights by the cars who passed from right to left (in his sight during the balancing act on the window sill).

 

[loverofzion]

SomeAlibi,

Here I must beg to differ. One commenter last summer referred to how Rudi was studying the law and bettering himself. To the best of my recollection, he or she then called Rudi a "typical youngster." I am sorry but Rudi's DNA shows that he had sexual knowledge of Ms. Kercher, and it is extraordinarily improbable that such an event was consensual. Rudi is not a typical youngster, and I can only ask what this person was thinking.

"Studying and bettering himself": and being described as a "typical youngster" hardly qualify as "loving" him.

Again, watch your relationship with Truth; you seem to slide down that slippery slope to mendacity quite often.

 

[loverofzion]

I will make this simple. It is very easy to understand. Steve and Michelle were discussing the case in a public setting. They had both felt that Amanda and Raffaele were 100% innocent. I contacted them based on their comments.

What are you missing here? Your article is 100% false based solely on one blog post taken out of context. You claim to be an attorney. Is it your professional opinion that you based your conclusions on solid facts?

Which public setting was it and when did this occur?

 

[HumanityBlues]

Very ugly comment Bruce, very unbecoming. How about actually answering the question? You said on your own website you had approached an FBI agent. Note your action going out to them, not responding to... was it Moore or someone else? What is your comment, on the record as to whether you approached them or they contacted you?

Answer the question please.

This has got to be one of the stupidest grievances I've ever seen in discussing the case. Give it a rest.

 

[Matthew Best]

Here's a scrawny little kid pulling himself up a 12ft wall - and he's even wearing gloves!

 

[SomeAlibi]

I will make this simple. It is very easy to understand. Steve and Michelle were discussing the case in a public setting. They had both felt that Amanda and Raffaele were 100% innocent. I contacted them based on their comments.

What are you missing here? Your article is 100% false based solely on one blog post taken out of context. You claim to be an attorney. Is it your professional opinion that you based your conclusions on solid facts?

Looks distinctly like a "doth protest too much" post Bruce. How can you possibly square your version with Michelle's statement on her blog which was then taken down post haste once spotted?

"However, by some bizarre accident (Note: how could anyone possibly say it was a bizarre accident if they were posting in public? Please show where they were posting in public that you spotted them) it (the Amanda Knox case) has become all too real to us in a freakish bizarre way (Note: what is freakish and bizarre about the version you propose?) and a guy named Bruce Fisher. His contacting us is how it started (Note: Steve Moore said the case, for him, started when his wife challenged him having watched the documentary. This post which -again- was taken down immediately it was spotted absolutely contradicts that.

Sorry Bruce, I don't think anyone is buying this, not least because of the way the blog disappeared online once spotted. Absolutely not.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Silly post Charlie. I'm keeping you and Chris H up there as the people one can properly debate with. Don't fail me now!

Fulcanelli asks for proof he knows does not exist. Why is it unreasonable for me to do the same?

 

[SomeAlibi]

Fulcanelli asks for proof he knows does not exist. Why is it unreasonable for me to do the same?

Also silly. If we accept your argument, you are saying the unjustified assertion of one party justifies you making an unjustified assertion by reply? Come on...

 

[platonov]

The article written by Somealibi is a perfect example of how information is continuously misrepresented. The entire article stems from one blog entry taken out of context. If Somealibi would like to apologize to Steve and Michelle, I will send him some plastic flowers as a thank you.

Forget rabbits for a moment, what's this about ?

This discussion centers (or should) around the case concerning the rape/murder of a young woman and there is a reference to 'sending plastic flowers'
Is this as offensive as it sounds or am I jumping to conclusions here. If I am, apologies in advance.

But a clarification would be welcome - also to members/lurkers other than myself I venture.

 

[SomeAlibi]

Forget rabbits for a moment, what's this about ?

This discussion centers (or should) around the case concerning the rape/murder of a young woman and there is a reference to 'sending plastic flowers'
Is this as offensive as it sounds or am I jumping to conclusions here. If I am, apologies in advance.

But a clarification would be welcome - also to members/lurkers other than myself I venture.

No, it's a personal dig at the fact that when I tied three white roses to the gate at the cottage on 2nd November, they were silk flowers because the florist I had visited the day before decided to close earlier than the time they had told me they would stay open to. It's a deeply tacky, personal dig which is unbecoming. A man of substance would withdraw it. One can judge a person very accurately by this sort of comment. You try to honour the memory of a murdered young woman and someone tries to score a point on it. What do you think?

 

[Chris C]

Not clear he was there from 8.30. He was getting wasted with AK and RS. Don't see the evidence he left at 10.30.

So he is lying about arriving at the downstairs apartment around 8:30pm? Why didn't the prosecution dispute this arrival time during Guede's trial? Where was Knox, Sollecito getting wasted at? They both have a pretty solid alibi, according to the prosecution, from 8:30pm till 11:30pm. Did curatolo testify that Knox and Sollecito where drinking or smoking pot at the court from 9:27pm till 11:30pm? Notice i said Knox and Sollecito because your Super Witness never saw Guede. You keep making this claim that all 3 where together getting wasted but the prosecutions timeline and witnesses has Guede no where near Knox until just after 11:30pm. So where was Rudy between 8:30pm and 11:30pm since we know he wasn't with knox/sollecito. Sadly you got to remember one thing. Knox and Sollecito claim to be smoking pot at Sollecito's place. So, if they where not at Sollecito's apartment, then they were not getting stoned.

Plus if they didn't meet up until 11:30, then rudy would have had to done all this after 11:30pm:
Take a crap, drink from the fridge,
Beat up Meredith, sexually assault her, stab her in the neck,
Go fetch towels from the bathroom and wash his hands,
Come back to her while she is still alive and leave the towels with her body, Rummage through her purse and then leave.

 

[SomeAlibi]

So he is lying about arriving at the downstairs apartment around 8:30pm? Where was Knox, Sollecito getting wasted at? They both have a pretty solid alibi, according to the prosecution, from 8:30pm till 11:30pm. Did curatolo testify that Knox and Sollecito where drinking or smoking pot at the court from 9:27pm till 11:30pm? Notice i said Knox and Sollecito because your Super Witness never saw Guede. You keep making this claim that all 3 where together getting wasted but the prosecutions timeline and witnesses has Guede no where near Knox until just after 11:30pm. So where was Rudy between 8:30pm and 11:30pm since we know he wasn't with knox/sollecito.

Plus if they didn't meet up until 11:30, then rudy would have had to done all this after 11:30pm:
Take a crap, drink from the fridge,
Beat up Meredith, sexually assault her, stab her in the neck,
Go fetch towels from the bathroom and wash his hands,
Come back to her while she is still alive and leave the towels with her body, Rummage through her purse and then leave.

You're going round the same roundabout time and again. No-one believes that Knox, Sollecito and Guede were appart from 8.30 to 10.30pm on the prosecution side.

 

[platonov]

No, it's a personal dig at the fact that when I tied three white roses to the gate at the cottage on 2nd November, they were silk flowers because the florist I had visited the day before decided to close earlier than the time they had told me they would stay open to. It's a deeply tacky, personal dig which is unbecoming. A man of substance would withdraw it. One can judge a person very accurately by this sort of comment. You try to honour the memory of a murdered young woman and someone tries to score a point on it. What do you think?

OK thanks - I was actually hoping for a response from Bruce Fisher - but in that case it is as offensive as it sounds. And with wider overtones which I was focusing on - you can (are in a position to) defend yourself.

There are many anonymous posters here who put forward arguments others may find offensive but that's the internet. But unless I'm mistaken [I'm going by the links from this thread] IIP/Bruce Fisher is a part of the 'FOA' advocacy campaign.
Is this the current public position - sneer at the dead girl or her memory.

What do I think ? - I believe you can work out what most people would think. I hope that answer is sufficent - we are on a moderated board.