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If I were to go along with that, I might as well say that everyone who is hypnotized is in poor mental health.
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If I were to go along with that, I might as well say that everyone who is hypnotized is in poor mental health.
Well a rock was used. If you use your elbow or kicking it in you run the risk of cutting yourself. Thats one thing I can honestly say has happened to me before. I knocked to hard on a window before and it broke and cut my hand. WHere did you find the exact weight of the rock at?
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Sorry. I could have sworn that the three charged left DNA on the bra clasp, according to prosecution. Searched for it but cant find it now.
So the motive, according to the prosecution is that a female kills her roommate, in the house they share because she would not join herself, her boyfriend and another man in a sexual encounter. Seems odd to me. Considering a 20 something female would go to that length for a 3 way sexual encounter.
Perhaps to have knowledge of the crime but to participate in the murder? And right in the house you share with the victim?
Her DNA was found on a knife in a house she lives in?
Forgive some of my questions, i just read a few articles on this case.
A rock was apparently used on a window that would need one to break in. The balcony doesn't. No burglar would use their hand to break a window but the elbow is frequently used. Weight of the rock comment wasn't me.
They can use their palm to push it in, just depends on the type of window.
Of course anything is possible and i am not making any assertions as to guilt or not.
One more question (and i am sure its been asked anyway
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Was Amanda tested for drugs shortly, within a few days, of the crime? Certainly doesnt seem like the actions of a person in their right frame of mind...discounting male to female rape of course.
One more question (and i am sure its been asked anyway
):Was Amanda tested for drugs shortly, within a few days, of the crime? Certainly doesnt seem like the actions of a person in their right frame of mind...discounting male to female rape of course.
So how did Rudy break into that office again? Through the balcony or a window?
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No problem and welcome to the thread. Yes, the prosecution story is completely bizarre. Nobody can give a coherent timeline of what happened that night incorporating all the witnesses and evidence from the Massei Report.
Edit to add - there is no evidence that Amanda is attracted to women sexually either, so it's likely she would have been repulsed by the idea of sexually molesting Meredith.
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Of course anything is possible and i am not making any assertions as to guilt or not.
One more question (and i am sure its been asked anyway
Was Amanda tested for drugs shortly, within a few days, of the crime? Certainly doesnt seem like the actions of a person in their right frame of mind...discounting male to female rape of course.
I think they were tested for drugs and nothing was found except some cannabis traces? I could be wrong.
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No, that is incorrect.
Subjects under hypnotic suggestion enter a particular mental state that is limited to that period of time that they are under the suggestion of the hypnotherapist. They are in a hyper suggestible state, but can be snapped out of it by the hypnotherapist at any time.
In addition to which no one can be hypnotized AGAINST his will; one must be a willing participant to enter into that state.
Now about your ability to distinguish between dream and reality....those who don't are, again either in poor mental health with poor reality testing; or are, as in the case of amanda knox, being willfully deceptive.
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But then:
1. Where did he enter from? What is the real point of access?
2. Why did he search something only right in Filomena's room?
3. Why did he also open the window?
There is no evidence that Rudy broke into the office, only that he was in possession of items from the office. Most likely he was sent to Milano to fence them.
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But you admit that Rudy did break into other places on his own, therefore it's vanishingly unlikely that some mysterious stranger asked him to fence items in Milan?
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I gave up following this thread, some time ago, as I came to realise that the same arguments are being repeated over and over again to absolutely no effect. I thought that I'd re-visit to see what people had to say about the recent Rudy verdict, which the press seems to think is a severe set-back to Knox and Solecito. I was stunned to see that 100 pages had gone by and that the means of entry to the flat was still being discussed.
All I see is the likes of SomeAlibi trying in vain to make reasonable points about the ludicrous window-entry theory and going to enormous lengths to back his arguments up with solid evidence only to be insulted by the usual crowd. I really think that some of you should stand back and take a serious look at yourselves.
At the end of the day, what we have is hundreds of pages of opinions put forth by around a dozen people who have shown that they have absolutely no intention of diverting from their outlandish theories, however convincing the opposing case may be. Ultimately they will have no effect whatsoever upon the outcome of the case.
Do people still believe Chris Melas, when he says that the jury was in tears, in spite of journalists' reports about a stone faced jury?
Do people seriously think that the entry was gained by Filomena's window, after looking at SomeAlibi's photos and video?
Do people seriously believe that Knox's interrogation lasted 14 hours, in spite of the timing of the cartwheels and the end of the witness statemen?
Do people seriously believe that Knox was waterboarded, whilst Rafael has not indicated any such treatment being applied to himself?
Yes, some people do believe these things, but they amount to about a handful of contributors to this site, full stop. So why not stop regurgitating the same old stuff, why not stop insulting serious contributors to the site and move on?
So anyway, looks bad for the pair, after yesterday, no?
All I see is the likes of SomeAlibi trying in vain to make reasonable points about the ludicrous window-entry theory and going to enormous lengths to back his arguments up with solid evidence only to be insulted by the usual crowd. I really think that some of you should stand back and take a serious look at yourselves.
At the end of the day, what we have is hundreds of pages of opinions put forth by around a dozen people who have shown that they have absolutely no intention of diverting from their outlandish theories, however convincing the opposing case may be. Ultimately they will have no effect whatsoever upon the outcome of the case.
Do people still believe Chris Melas, when he says that the jury was in tears, in spite of journalists' reports about a stone faced jury?
Do people seriously think that the entry was gained by Filomena's window, after looking at SomeAlibi's photos and video?
Do people seriously believe that Knox's interrogation lasted 14 hours, in spite of the timing of the cartwheels and the end of the witness statemen?
Do people seriously believe that Knox was waterboarded, whilst Rafael has not indicated any such treatment being applied to himself?
Yes, some people do believe these things, but they amount to about a handful of contributors to this site, full stop. So why not stop regurgitating the same old stuff, why not stop insulting serious contributors to the site and move on?
So anyway, looks bad for the pair, after yesterday, no?
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I'm sure nobody, including Rudy, expected Rudy to be released. Since the defence is basically saying Rudy did it, I'm unclear why it's bad that Rudy is still in jail.
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The implicit implication is that RUDY GUEDE DID NOT ACT ALONE.
End of the lone wolf theory.
Now if only the court can figure out with whom he murdered that night.
On second thought, make that complicit implication.
Thanks.
I found these articles http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1904571,00.html
and http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/05/meredith-kercher-murder-trial. But i am sure you guys read them.
DNA evidence aside, because she lived in the house, according to the article she placed herself at the scene. BUT that was after a 14 hour intense interrogation with no lawyer present AND the way the question of her being there was presented as a "what if" this is according to a an article in The Guardian UK website. I just searched google for "evidence against amanda knox".
That is something that should be known because some cannabis traces would not change a persons character like that but according to what i read in the Guardian article "the prosecution claimed it was hey suggested that the trio had killed Kercher because she refused to join them in a drug-fuelled orgy." They took blood what were the results? If it was some cannabis "drug-fuelled" is kind of weak. BUT its a terrible thing that happened to Meredith so i dont want to go overboard in defending anyone here.
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There is no evidence he was sent to fence them. He was in possession of so much stuff he was fencing it?
What there is evidence of is he is in possession of stuff that was stolen by accessing an office using a second story window. He was also caught on previous occassions breaking into other places. He was on a murder scene in which a 2nd story window was also broken and yet people refuse to accept that he entered using the window.
A window he supposedly stood under for 3 hours waiting for knox/sollecito to arrive to help him kill meredith.(thats mignini's theory) Last I checked there was video surveillance of Rudy arriving around 830pm which happens to be the time he claims to have arrived at Meredith's. Sadly people believe he waited 3 hours. Waited 3 hours without a cell phone or anyway to contact Sollecito or Knox. Not counting the fact that he has never met Sollecito and didn't even know Knox was dating Sollecito.
Yet there is no evidence that Rudy broke into the Office. Well other than the fact that he had items stolen from there. Plus left his dna and fingerprints at another crime scene which also happened to have another break in through a 2nd story window. A crime scene which had a lady murdered by a knife. Plus to top that off, he pulled a knife on another woman at a place he broke in also. Plus he got into a fight with another man, at a home he broke into. Yet Guilters want you to believe that Rudy wasn't capable of breaking into Meredith's home. They want you to believe he would knock on the door or ring the door bell. Yet he was physically caught at 2 other locations by people that where present when he broke in.
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Hi, colonelhall. Looks like even SomeAlibi felt it's not so obvious.
He posted misleading photos made with flash to show how well Filomena's window is lit.
Then he posted a tampered (with manually reduced brightness) photo to show how dark, really dark it is on the balcony.
Viewing his other non-adjusted photos ( good photo of well illuminated balcony made from the street, unfortunately no photo of well illuminated Filomena's window) I'm even more certain Rudy entered through Filomena's window.
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