Who started both World Wars?

[9/11-investigator]

Since Germany lost both World Wars, can we offer some kind of irony award here?

Dave

Germany was not the only (temporary) loser.
The UK was an even bigger loser.
Was Danzig really worth it, you i*****?

Europe lost, Jews won.

Want to know who is on top in 10-20 years time?

Kind regards,
My humble self, your dedicated house Euro-Taliban.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Germany was not the only (temporary) loser. The UK was an even bigger loser.

Yes, occupying a quarter of the enemy country at the end of a war is what losers usually do. Re-defining the meanings of words appears to be the only way you can pretend to be right about anything now.

Dave

 

[9/11-investigator]

Yes, occupying a quarter of the enemy country at the end of a war is what losers usually do. Re-defining the meanings of words appears to be the only way you can pretend to be right about anything now.

Dave

British definition of 'winning': losing the largest empire in world's history, yet having 50,000 troops stationed in the lands of the only friend the British empire ever had.

Again, it is not difficult to find out what sort of people arrive at this conclusion. Churchill was the biggest desaster ever to befell on the British isles, yet the population elects him as 'man of the century'. Due to modern mass hypnosis called television, cinema and written media.

 

[uke2se]

British definition of 'winning': losing the largest empire in world's history, yet having 50,000 troops stationed in the lands of the only friend the British empire ever had.

Again, it is not difficult to find out what sort of people arrive at this conclusion. Churchill was the biggest desaster ever to befell on the British isles, yet the population elects him as 'man of the century'. Due to modern mass hypnosis called television, cinema and written media.

Still the British beat the living snot out of the Nazis.



Must be tough to be on the losing side, Nein11.

 

[Shangrila]

Put's an end to all this "Masterrace" baloney the Anglos so often like to refer to when talking about Nazi-Germany. Hitler admired nations who remained loyal to their own character and identity. There is only one 'nation' that violates against that principle. I leave it to you as an exercise which 'nation' that could be and who is on top in that 'nation'.

BTW, in Mein Kampf we can see who according to Dolfie is Aryan and who is not:

Hey, no need to beat around the bush. Good for you to have admitted it, and even provided directly textual support: The Japanese were not inferior to the Germans. Due to their lack of racial integity, this cannot be said for the WAllies. Thus in any accounting of numbers, the Japanese must be counted on the German side, while the vast majority of the American population cannot. Thus the Germans and their racial equals, the Japanese, were defeated by the minority of the WAllied population that do have a certain degree of racial integrity, namely the "Anglos," who were grossly outnumbered, and impeded by their Jewish Masters.

So I take it you agree one Anglo is worth many Aryans in fighting prowess?

You are proving my point with refering to Iraq. Numbers don't count, it is the quality of weapons that is decisive if we are to predict the outcome of a batlle between state run armies.

And you completely missed the point. Of course numbers aren't the only thing that matters. But yet, decades after WWII, tons of people who should have known better still thought they were. So why is it unbelievable that the Japanese made the exact same mistake without the lesson that they themselves gave to following generations?

Those people usually win who are most convinced they are fighting for a just cause.

Surely the Germans thought they were fighting for a just cause. The WAllies, on the other hand, were merely deluded dupes of the Jews, who had to know in their heart of hearts that something was amiss. So the Germans won, right?

As a sidenote, do you not see the irony in posting an article written with the benefit of hindsight to prove that hindsight is not required?

 

[twinstead]

As a sidenote, do you not see the irony in posting an article written with the benefit of hindsight to prove that hindsight is not required?

Not sure if 9/11 did, but I find it deliciously ironic

 

[9/11-investigator]

Still the British beat the living snot out of the Nazis.



Must be tough to be on the losing side, Nein11.

It is tough indeed, but we are fighting back, the EU + euro is a first step, the failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan a second. The next steps will be the financial armageddon where Haass and Altman are warning against and/or the dumping of the dollar by the rest of the world. Then Americans will be neo-Ukrainians. As a final step, with the evaporation of state funds, ethnic tensions will rise and large parts of the US will turn into post-Katrina Orleans-like battle zones and the Great Satan will disintegrate and cleansed, Yugoslav style.

When even the Jewish leadership of the US admits that the US is on the road to ruin (review), we know that the tide is turning, even without taking 9/11-truth-coming-out in consideration.

The British indeed arrived at the beach of Duinkerken first , for the rest they were just walking in the way.

WW2: USSR/USA/UK = 80% + 15% + 5%
Germany against rest of the world: 1:7
OK, 1:6
Must make you proud, right?

The British were instrumental in opening the door for Soviet and American barbarians into Europe. The behaviour of the quintessential traitor. History will deal harshly on them after the full truth about WW1, WW2 and the hoax will be out there, thanks to the internet. Wikileaks is only a very small sign of things to come.

Oh, your silly rehab binge drinking quote says this:

Although the Germans may not go drinking as often as the British

uke2se has just proven that there are a lot of alcoholics in rehabilitation clinics. It must suck to be you.

 

[Uzzy]

British definition of 'winning': losing the largest empire in world's history, yet having 50,000 troops stationed in the lands of the only friend the British empire ever had.

I think we can safely add the reasons for the end of the British Empire to the long, long list of things that nein/11 has no idea about.

 

[uke2se]

It is tough indeed, but we are fighting back, the EU + euro is a first step, the failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan a second. The next steps will be the financial armageddon where Haass and Altman are warning against and/or the dumping of the dollar by the rest of the world. Then Americans will be neo-Ukrainians. And when even the Jewish leadership of the US admits that the US is on the road to ruin (review), we know that the tide is turning, even without taking 9/11 in consideration.

The British indeed arrived at the beach of Duinkerken first , for the rest they were just walking in the way.

WW2: USSR/USA/UK = 80% + 15% + 5%
Germany against rest of the world: 1:7
OK, 1:6
Must make you proud, right?

The British were instrumental in opening the door for Soviet and American barbarians into Europe. The behaviour of the quintessential traitor. History will deal harshly on them after the full truth about WW1, WW2 and the hoax will be out there, thanks to the internet. Wikileaks is only a very small sign of things to come.

Lol. What happened to the 99% of Europeans that don't agree with you, which you agreed with a couple of posts ago? Having a hard time keeping track of what's real, what's a lie and what's just your deceased fantasy?

Oh, your silly rehab binge drinking quote says this:



uke2se has just proven that there are a lot of alcoholics in rehabilitation clinics. It must suck to be you.

Nein11 fails at quote-mining once again. Full quote:

Although the Germans may not go drinking as often as the British, when they do drink, many want to get drunk

And it's great to be me. No hate, no 65 years of failure, just multicultural peace and love. It's a brave new world, and I'm living it. You're stuck in the past - a past in which your kind lost badly. Must suck to be you.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Wrong. PH was an act of desperation. The 'mighty Japanese' were with their backs against the wall as a result of the US oil embargo, with the US asking impossible demands from the Japanese. Reason for asking impossible demands: the US (Roosevelt government) wanted the Japanese to strike at PH; the Pacific fleet was presented to the Japanese on a silver plate. The real enemy of the US government was not Japan (that was just a toy to play with and a nuclear testing site). The real enemy was the American population and Congress. The US was a world power waiting in the wings and the loss of these ships was severe, but nothing really in the long term. It was a pawn sacrifice, in chess terms. The Jewish strategists around Roosevelt were thinking long term and wanted to use the US as their tool for world domination. And they succeeded. So far. But they will fail, just like they failed with the USSR, which they wanted to use for the same purpose.

BTW, Germany versus Russia same story. Barbarossa was a preempted attack, as has been illustrated in this thread before. Nothing to do with 'underestimating' Russia. It was a forced move, to stay in the realm of chess.

The absurdity of this position is spectacular. FDR wanted to get into the war in Europe, to kill Nazis. (Still a good idea to date.) Any war in the Pacific would have been a distraction.

Even more feeble is the concept that he would know an attack was coming and Just Let It Happen^tm. Starting a war with a defeat is only something morons would propose. He could have vastly weakened the Japanese and impressed the Hell out of the US public by ambushing the Kido Butai if he'd know it was coming.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

These 'impossible' demands, let me remind everyone (except our resident Dutch Nazi, who doesn't seem to be listening) were for the Japanese to cease their war of aggression in China and wholesale slaughter of Chinese civilians. How the USA could even think to demand anything so unreasonable, I can't even imagine.

Dave

The demands are quite unreasonable, aren't they?

 

[9/11-investigator]

And it's great to be me. No hate, no 65 years of failure, just multicultural peace and love. It's a brave new world, and I'm living it. You're stuck in the past - a past in which your kind lost badly. Must suck to be you.

You are an amusing fella, uke2se.

A day in the life in present day Malmo/Sweden (uke2se says he is a Swede, I have my doubts, he talks like a Jew, just like this one).

- A Preview of What Happens When Muslims Reach Critical Mass: Jews Forced to Leave Malmo, Sweden (not that I in this case I am too sad, these Jews pushed like no others for these muslims)
- Many Jews are leaving Amsterdam because of Islamic persecution
- Muslims rule major Swedish city
- Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War
- Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes
- Here an example of muslim 'love': Theo van Gogh (yes, family) murdered by muslim.
- Muslim Riots in Malmö, Sweden (English) (American Fox News media idiot says that 'muslims still do not know how to be Swedish' )
- Swedish poll on immigration. Majority against, yet America-loving 'elite' is in favor.

Too bad for them. History is full of 'elites' who did not understand the sign of the times and merrily worked towards their own Malieveld session.

This list is on-topic because it illustrates exactly my motivation for participating in these threads. This immigration desaster could only happen because of the Anglo and Soviet lies that are still around and induced a total misplaced feeling of 'guilt' and excessive xenophilia towards those who are only interested in our demise. But these invaders are not my concern, these dummies will be easily dealt with when the breakdown will come. It is the uke2se's of this world who are the real enemies, these lefty nation destroyers. But they will fail. Resistence is growing steadily. And the people now have an intelligence agency working for it's own interests for a change: the holy internet. Everything is stored on harddisks. When the day will come, when America and Europe will turn into oversized Yugoslavia's, then the revolution will need it's guillotine material. And guess who that material will be?

 

[9/11-investigator]

The absurdity of this position is spectacular. FDR wanted to get into the war in Europe, to kill Nazis. (Still a good idea to date.) Any war in the Pacific would have been a distraction.

Sure! Problem only was: "how to get in a war against Europe?". The Germans were not willing to bite and the American population would not let Roopsevelt wage war against Germany without a reason, so the Jew Roosevelt had to think of a sleazy trick and he came up with one he came up with 10 days after German and Japan had signed a mutual assistence treaty: an oil embargo, devastating for Japan! Can you imagine what America would do if tomorrow France would say that the US should give up all it's foreign bases? You Americans would fall from your chairs of laughter, right, the reason being that Americans can survive without french cheese and wine. The Japanese however had no reason for laughter since their entire empire hinged around American oil deliveries. That is the secret of Pearl Harbor!

Even more feeble is the concept that he would know an attack was coming and Just Let It Happen^tm. Starting a war with a defeat is only something morons would propose. He could have vastly weakened the Japanese and impressed the Hell out of the US public by ambushing the Kido Butai if he'd know it was coming.

Gawd does not understand the chess concept of pawn sacrifice. If the US had striked first then America would have been the agressor. The Roosevelt government was looking for "the Japanese to strike first", as Stimson wrote in his diary. Roosevelt wanted to enscene a humiliating defeat to instill anger and rage in the American population, making them demand revenge. And so it came.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sure! Problem only was: "how to get in a war against Europe?". The Germans were not willing to bite and the American population would not let Roopsevelt wage war against Germany without a reason, so the Jew Roosevelt had to think of a sleazy trick and he came up with one he came up with 10 days after German and Japan had signed a mutual assistence treaty: an oil embargo, devastating for Japan! Can you imagine what America would do if tomorrow France would say that the US should give up all it's foreign bases? You Americans would fall from your chairs of laughter, right, the reason being that Americans can survive without french cheese and wine. The Japanese however had no reason for laughter since their entire empire hinged around American oil deliveries. That is the secret of Pearl Harbor!

You ignore the fact that a war is the Pacific is just as distraction. No other was to put it. Killing Nazis took first priority.

Gawd does not understand the chess concept of pawn sacrifice. If the US had striked first then America would have been the agressor. The Roosevelt government was looking for the Japanese to strike first, as Stimson wrote in his diary. Roosevelt wanted to enscene a humiliating defeat to instill anger and rage in the American population, making them ask them for revenge. And so it came.

And a victory with associated destruction of the Japanese carrier force was not nearly as good as your scenario? Really? That is utter naive. You have lamed out here so badly I'm beginning to think you're a Poe.

BTW, a Japanese fleet launching air strikes where the only possible targets were US bases makes the Kido Butai the aggressor. But to humor your weak plot, the counter-attack could have happened when the first shot was fired by the Japanese. The fleet could have been full alerted and all guns loaded, manned and trained. But no, you think a "pawn of sacrifice" would be better. That's why you Nazis lost the last time.

 

[uke2se]

You are an amusing fella, uke2se.

A day in the life in present day Malmo/Sweden (uke2se says he is a Swede, I have my doubts, he talks like a Jew, just like this one).

- A Preview of What Happens When Muslims Reach Critical Mass: Jews Forced to Leave Malmo, Sweden (not that I in this case I am too sad, these Jews pushed like no others for these muslims)
- Many Jews are leaving Amsterdam because of Islamic persecution
- Muslims rule major Swedish city
- Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War
- Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes
- Here an example of muslim 'love': Theo van Gogh (yes, family) murdered by muslim.
- Muslim Riots in Malmö, Sweden (English) (American Fox News media idiot says that 'muslims still do not know how to be Swedish' )
- Swedish poll on immigration. Majority against, yet America-loving 'elite' is in favor.

Too bad for them. History is full of 'elites' who did not understand the sign of the times and merrily worked towards their own Malieveld session.

This list is on-topic because it illustrates exactly my motivation for participating in these threads. This immigration desaster could only happen because of the Anglo and Soviet lies that are still around and induced a total misplaced feeling of 'guilt' and excessive xenophilia towards those who are only interested in our demise. But these invaders are not my concern, these dummies will be easily dealt with when the breakdown will come. It is the uke2se's of this world who are the real enemies, these lefty nation destroyers. But they will fail. Resistence is growing steadily. And the people now have an intelligence agency working for it's own interests for a change: the holy internet. Everything is stored on harddisks. When the day will come, when America and Europe will turn into oversized Yugoslavia's, then the revolution will need it's guillotine material. And guess who that material will be?

As it's clear that you know nothing about Sweden except for what you can google up in ten seconds, I will explain the situation for people with an ounce of integrity, intellect and rationality, which means not you.

The south of Sweden is an example of failed integration. Immigrants get put in "ghettos" while the rest of the population harbor stronger right wing extremist views than the rest of the country. Most of the radical right in Sweden is based out of the south.

As for me being the "enemy", Nein11 is right. I am his enemy. I stand for justice and truth while he stands for lies and hatred. I take pride in standing up against his kind of filth, and I will keep doing so. Thankfully, given that people like Nein11 typically are about as intelligent as granite, my task isn't overbearing.

Also, I don't enjoy having my life threatened, no matter how pathetically. Do it again and I will report you.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Articles from which it becomes clear that Churchill himself had been working on getting the US into war against Germany via the backdoor of Japan:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/raico-churchill3.html

While the Americans were being worked on, the two confederates consulted on how to arrange for direct hostilities between the United States and Germany. In August, 1941, Roosevelt and Churchill met at the Atlantic conference. Here they produced the Atlantic Charter, with its "four freedoms," including "the freedom from want" a blank-check to spread Anglo American Sozialpolitik around the globe. When Churchill returned to London, he informed the Cabinet of what had been agreed to. Thirty years later, the British documents were released. Here is how the New York Times reported the revelations:

Formerly top secret British Government papers made public today said that President Franklin D. Roosevelt told Prime Minister Winston Churchill in August, 1941, that he was looking for an incident to justify opening hostilities against Nazi Germany. . . . On August 19 Churchill reported to the War Cabinet in London on other aspects of the Newfoundland [Atlantic Charter] meeting that were not made public. . . . "He [Roosevelt] obviously was determined that they should come in. If he were to put the issue of peace and war to Congress, they would debate it for months," the Cabinet minutes added. "The President had said he would wage war but not declare it and that he would become more and more provocative. If the Germans did not like it, they could attack American forces. . . . Everything was to be done to force an incident."

This is the New York Times, for chriss sake!!


http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/ph25_2.html

On August 9-12, 1941, Roosevelt met with Churchill at Argentia, off the coast of Newfoundland, and arranged the details of entering the second World War through the backdoor of a war with Japan. Churchill wished immediate war but Roosevelt insisted on having at least three months to "baby" the Japanese along so as to have more time to get ready for war, to allow Russia to take more heat off Britain, and to extend the possibility that Germany or Italy would still provide an act of war on the Atlantic, now that Russia was at war with Germany. These aggressive moves were disguised to the American public by issuing a high-sounding but morally deceptive Atlantic Charter, actually only a press release, the terms of which had been violated before the ink was dry on the document; indeed, by actions before the meeting at Argentia.
The official adoption of the "back door" policy and strategy at Argentia produced a powerful impulse to the top military brass to shift their primary concern to Japan and the Far East. Stark had previously been assuring Kimmel that Germany was our main enemy and that Roosevelt did not wish to get into a two-front war, involving both Germany and Japan. It was now apparent that, if necessary, Roosevelt intended to provoke Japan in the Far East and that the United States would enter the war in this manner.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You need to work on your quote mining, you're getting stale. We've already noted that killing Nazis was the first priority.

 

[uke2se]

Articles from which it becomes clear that Churchill himself had been working on getting the US into war against Germany via the backdoor of Japan:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/raico-churchill3.html



This is the New York Times, for chriss sake!!

Even if the NYT article is properly quoted (which we have every reason to mistrust given the source) Roosevelt's personal feelings aren't an issue. We all know he personally thought the Second World War was a war that America should be involved in. What he personally thought has no bearing on the fact that the nation wouldn't go to war. They did want to go to war after Japan attacked (which they did without the specific knowledge of Americans, as we have already determined), and then your heroes, the Nazis, made a huge blunder and declared war. Kind of a stupid move, but hey, they were Nazis after all.

http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/ph25_2.html

Nice crack-pot source.

 

[9/11-investigator]

uke2se is forced to qualify his love and understanding idylle little bit already!

As it's clear that you know nothing about Sweden except for what you can google up in ten seconds, I will explain the situation for people with an ounce of integrity, intellect and rationality, which means not you.

Wrong. I am engaged in this matter for 10 years now, ever since the rise and murder of Pim Fortuyn in The Netherlands. And I am far from the only one her in Holland.

The south of Sweden is an example of failed integration. Immigrants get put in "ghettos" while the rest of the population harbor stronger right wing extremist views than the rest of the country. Most of the radical right in Sweden is based out of the south.

What a joke! The 'integration' in the south has failed because of the high concentration of unintegratable muslims (whatever integration might mean). As the numbers rise everywhere, expect the whole of Sweden become one big Malmo! About the 'radical right'... it will come as a surprise to you that I was very leftwing myself before 2000 and before moving to Amsterdam. But change has come to every sane Dutchman. Just change the circumstances enough and you can turn anybody into a 'Nazi'.

As for me being the "enemy", Nein11 is right. I am his enemy. I stand for justice and truth while he stands for lies and hatred. I take pride in standing up against his kind of filth, and I will keep doing so. Thankfully, given that people like Nein11 typically are about as intelligent as granite, my task isn't overbearing.

uke2se is a dangerous doogooder (or a Jew) who threatens to throw his native country into civil war, just because of his 'high-minded ideals'. But uke2se is not just an idealist, he is also a dangerous commie, who has recognized that he can import a new proletariat from the third world, with which he will try to wage his little revolution of his own with his new won lefty voters. But the example of Holland has shown that for every invader who enters the electorate of a leftwing party, a lefty Dutchman will leave that party and move to the right. In the end the leftwing parties will be colored parties, making a mockery of the 'integration promiss' by the left. And then the gloves are off.

Also, I don't enjoy having my life threatened, no matter how pathetically. Do it again and I will report you.

I am not threatening you at all, I have enough to do here in Holland, to be bothered by an anonymous Swedish fruit fly, who I don't know and certainly not wish to know. I am merely predicting what is going to happen to you and your traiterous ilk and it won't be pretty. Just read a book about Yugoslavia. But I can tell you I will be writing blogs in order to prevent the decay and destruction of our societies.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You need to work on your quote mining, you're getting stale. We've already noted that killing Nazis was the first priority.

So we finally agree on something: we agree that Japan was just the backdoor to war in Europe.

Then tell me after your frank admission (totally against your own interest in this debate), why was it important for Americans to kill Germans?
What had they done to America?

Or did you want to destroy mother Europe and take it's place on the world stage?
(That was the real reason, in close cooperation with the Soviets).