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Yes, they can be an NGO technically, but IRS law says that "Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders" and I bet they don't really adhere to this.
But I'm not even sure they're a nonprofit, they may not be. I just thought they used a .org extension. You can see how often I check out the BFRO (not).
It's a fun program. There's no indication in it that Saget actually believes Bigfoot exists. They get some vocalization while out in the woods and it sounds like it could be a coyote or fox. Only Bigfoot is suggested. It's amazing to see the headquarters of the BFRO's Olympic Project. Wealthy sugar daddy Wally Hersom is really putting out the bucks for hi-tech toys that have never confirmed the existence of Bigfoot for years and years and counting. Matt Moneymaker must know how to keep the Hersom teat flowing.
Looks like they had a cool time. Moneymaker is a trip. He would be fun to debate with in person over a few beers I bet. I wonder if he rants the same in person. Seems like he could get to be abrasive haha. I like Sagets brand of humor in this though. Looks like everyone had a decent time with it.
Looks like they had a cool time. Moneymaker is a trip. He would be fun to debate with in person over a few beers I bet. I wonder if he rants the same in person. Seems like he could get to be abrasive haha. I like Sagets brand of humor in this though. Looks like everyone had a decent time with it.
Moneymaker has posted Comments on the JREF. I believe the last time he commented he threatened a law suit against some poster trash talking him...haha, it was hilarious. Matt often uses the "I'll sue you" threat to silence anyone speaking the truth about him!
I've seen Dr Jeff Meldrum's name mentioned and also a bit of a personal attack in this thread. I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone that a personal attack on another member is not allowed. Some of the people mentioned in this thread may or may not be members here guys. Please remember that as you post. I think most people consider it poor form to attack someone that's not here to defend their side of the issue as well.
A call for reports: new database/book. Guy's got some stones: published his home address.
Report your sightings. I already sent in two........a grey nine footer and a black eleven footer, that were doing the nasty in my neighbor's alfalfa field. I hope I make it into the book. Used a pseudonym: William Parcher.
I've never seen a Bigfoot, but I had a children's book on the subject with a bunch of stories about Bigfoot encounters. Apparently they like coffee grounds.
And a pretty good jumper, as well. That is a different cut of a hoax I've linked here countless times. Let me break it down for you. I won't be posting any images because the person who made the hoax states the images on his website are copyrighted and can not be reproduced or used without legal permission. No problem, I'll just link to them.
The film is a hoax created by LA-based California Institute of Arts vegan and cycling enthusiast film student Shawn Bannon. I struggle with even calling the film a hoax, because while Shawn never winks and insists in various venues that the film is legitimate, it is flatly obvious that the film is a transparent maneuver for attention. Shawn is an aspiring filmmaker and I think it would take someone breathtakingly credulous to even pause to consider if the film might show a real Bigfoot.
I am around the same age as Shawn and as a fellow artist who shares some of the same interests, I'm not particularly enthusiastic to lambast someone for what is clearly art. On the other hand, Shawn pushes the creation as reality and I am not down with hoodwinking and boonswoggling in the name of hype.
He likes Joy Division, New Order, The Cure, Brian Eno, and My Bloody Valentine. Neato. Shawn likes some of my favourite musical influences. What is clear to me is that Shawn has the shoegaze bug. If you are not up on your Gen Y lingo, just hit this link on shoegazing.
Now continuing on with Shawn, you can see the main page for his Studiodrome website here...
His latest film is a 2010 release entitled Brainwashed Love. For me personally after watching only the trailer, the film looks to be a vapid and innocuous Gen Y Dawson's Creek lift of some excellent films including Control, Lost In Translation, Donnie Darko, The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou. Girl fretting over pregnancy test applicator in bathroom scene? Check. Blech. Maybe if I sat down and watched the film it might turn out to be good, but I barely have the time just to make this post. Anyway, Shawn has an eye for style and detail, but my own personal opinion is that he needs to find himself as an artist rather than emulate others too much. Of course, Shawn could come here and turn around and say I'm a DJ/producer too influenced by electronic music of the 70's, 80's, and 90's and he might be right. It's a non sequitur matter of opinion, and this is not a discussion about my music or Shawn's films, but rather a Bigfoot hoax Shawn did as an aspiring film student back in 2005. The thing is still up on the Internet and he still pushes it as really Bigfoot.
The two most common versions of the hoax can be seen here...
And here...
Those versions are crappy Youtube resolution. You can watch the video in HD here on Vimeo...
The guy with the little Steve Zissou hat and film camera in hand is Shawn. Shawn made the film in the Giant Sequoia National Park in California. You can see Shawn at the 1:00 mark. The Steve Zissou looking for his jaguar shark vibe is pretty obvious to me, right down to the film countdown intro. Man, I love that movie and I actually used it in a film class I was teaching in Tokyo around the same time Shawn made this little short. It has one of the best soundtracks ever.
One thing you might note is that the Youtube user channel has the handle "ParisRoubaix". Who's Paris Roubaix? Not who, what. Paris-Roubaix is a famous cycling race in Northern France that is known for its rough terrain and cobblestones. On Shawn's Youtube channel you'll see his other videos and most recently the trailer for his Brainwashed Love movie...
What I do like is that at least Shawn went to some solid effort with this hoax and used film rather than video. Now let's get down to the Bigfoot meat and have a look at what he actually was filming for a subject. As I said, I don't think I can post the images, so I'm linking to his website where he shows the Bigfoot...
The last image is the best look, I think. The following is the story for the hoax included at the bottom of the page...
The Story
In October of 2005 my friends Eric Baxter, Aaron Wise and myself Shawn Bannon went backpacking in the Giant Sequoia National Park. We were out on a photo expedition, something we do several times a year. The drive is about 4 hours long, the last hour of it being on curvy mountain roads to a nice elevation of about 7,000 feet. We arrived to the trailhead at about 9 p.m. on a friday night and hiked in about 5 miles to set-up camp, carrying a total of around 125 pounds of gear between the three of us. Not a big task since we mountaineer several times a year. What we witnessed the next day has changed our lives forever.
All of the Bigfoot footage you are about to see was shot within the matter of about a minute, by Shawn Bannon, Eric Baxter, and Aaron Wise. The Images you are about to see are not retouched, the only adjustments made to the images were brightness, contrast and gamma levels.
Back in '07 Loren Coleman covered the video on his Cryptomumble blog and said it was interesting, but he was wary of it because the makers had film connections. Loren, of course, was savvy enough not to call the film an outright and obvious hoax. He benefits from people thinking it might have been real. I won't link to Loren's coverage of it because I have enough consideration for my fellow members not to subject them to the dish washing detergent ads that come blaring at you when you look at anything on his site. That site is essentially unwatchable to me now and more of a nuisance than anything. Craig Woolheater, please note, if people want to be bowled over by TV commercials, they can turn on the TV. The same incessant dish washing detergent ad with the accordian hip hop that keeps playing and can't be disabled is ass. You do know you can keep the lights on over there with static image adds. The noise ratio as gone nuclear and it is actually a excercise in patience to look at that site. Not one person on the planet could read an article on that website without being able to recite the Finish Quantum diamond standard quantum advanced formula for removing food residue or having the Frank's Hot Sauce ad club music trappend in your brain.
One thing of note is that Shawn did not respond to any attempt at communication by Loren, but at the time his website had an extended version of what I already quoted above...
Bigfoot
Thursday, January 11, 2007
Latest
The Hi-Rez and Ipod version of the footage currently are not available. All of the footage has been and is under investigation by expert primatologists, an anthropologist, cryptozoologists and paranormal experts.
Youtube
The footage is available on youtube at the recommendation of a primatologist who is correct in assuming that other people who had spotted the creature in the same area would come forward with similar evidence, and they have.
Conservation
If the habitat of the bigfoot was not in danger you can be assured we would not be making this footage public.
Part of the Story
Believe it or not about a year ago in October of 2005 my friends Eric Baxter, Aaron Wise and myself Shawn Bannon went backpacking in the Giant Sequoia National Park. We were out on a photo expedition, something we do several times a year, we packed up a variety of film stocks and several cameras. The drive was about 4 hours long, the last hour of it being on curvy mountain roads to a nice elevation of about 7,000 feet. We arrived to the trailhead at about 9 p.m. on a Friday night and hiked in about 5 miles to set-up camp, carrying a total of around 125 pounds of gear between the three of us. Not a big task since we mountaineer several times a year. We hiked for a few hours wearing headlamps and backpacks. Really just looking for a nice spot that was far away as possible.
What we witnesses the next day has changed our lives forever.
All of the Bigfoot footage you are about to see was shot within the matter of about a minute, by Shawn Bannon, Eric Baxter, and Aaron Wise. The images you are about to see are 100% un-retouched, the only adjustments made to the images were brightness, contrast and gamma levels. All of the photos and motion footage was shot with extremely long telephoto lenses. It appears we might be close but we are at least 100 feet away at any given time.
Yes, you'd pretty much have to be some form of dolt to think the film is real and to their credit most people commenting at Cryptomumble thought it was a fake. So who were the dolts? Well, The Burg (interdimensional Bigfoot wingnut Neil Burgstahler) did not disappoint...
silvereagle @ Cryptomumble said:
Intriguing
PROS
Jet black color
Large dangerous agile leap with no obvious injury
All three persons accounted for
Typical bluff charge with no follow through
Quick retreat by alleged Bigfoot
No neck
Extremely long arms
Possible 12″ to 18″ long fire hose @ 1:44.5 seconds
Good Bigfoot pace on retreat
Convincing terror by streamside drinker
Timing of streamside drinkers first move to exit looked legitimate
Rapid escape by streamside drinker who bolted first and then looked back second
Cameraman was too rattled to keep the camera steady, as opposed to proven hoaxes like the Memorial Day footage where the camera was relatively steady
Appears to meet the long hair, no neck, long arm, with dangling fire hose defining Bigfoot criteria
CONS
Someone else took the video so it has to be a fake, so the decks are still clear for the next great Bigfoot footage to be captured.
Conclusion: worth further study and cross examination of witnesses
Conclusion: Neil, you're one of the wildest asses I have ever had the pleasure of communicating with.
So I would say that in the end I enjoyed Shawn's hoax. It was done with much better effort than most Bigfoot hoaxes and it wasn't malicious and massively fraudulent in the way that the 2008 Georgia Boyz hoax was. I am going to email Shawn Bannon and invite him to the conversation and share details on how he did the hoax. I think that would be interesting and would give Shawn's filmmaking skills good attention without having to insist the film was really Bigfoot and keep up with the boonswoggle.
BTW, Shawn, if you read this, sorry I didn't like your film. It was too forced and shallow for me. It felt like Reality Bites 2010: Return From Dawson's Creek. If you join the conversation, feel free to tell me how much my opinion sucks. Maybe some people will agree with you. I definitely disagree with the no bad publicity addage, but in this instance I think there's an opportunity for good publicity. Good luck with your future efforts and don't be discouraged, you do have passion and skill.
In this new video, Bindernagel does a great imitation of some movie character that I can't quite put my finger on, as he hypes his new book. Of course, he hasn't seen one, and he hasn't been talking to people who have, because he's been too busy for the last seven years writing the book.
I think it's really interesting that Bindernagel claims he hasn't seen one because according to this post where Moneymaker is quoted he did while in Ky.
"He had some pieces of orange and a piece of steak and some nuts right on the top of his car," Newman says. Next to a tree about 20 yards away, he says, the man had scattered a few more orange pieces. "I don't know if he'd been trying to coax him over to the car or what."
It's actually really popular in southern Texas for birders to hang orange halves from trees. All sorts of feathered gems visit these, especially big, gaudy birds like Altamira orioles.
It's actually really popular in southern Texas for birders to hang orange halves from trees. All sorts of feathered gems visit these, especially big, gaudy birds like Altamira orioles.
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The closest the witness got to the animal was passing it at roadside at around 30 miles per hour. The lighting conditions outside was twilight. The animal was visible in the twilight and by the vehicles' headlights. The witness would have stopped but he was in a big rig and didn't have a safe place to pull over.
This witness is well known to me. He is a very exerpienced woodsman. He does not believe in bigfoot. He knows of my interest in the subject and thought to call me as he passed the scene. Had I got his voicemail in time and understood it, I could have went right out to the scene. The witness did not believe what he saw was a bear because its hair was too long and its head wasn't shaped right. He said the animal he would most compare the hair to was that of a shaggy black pony. He said the hair was glossy black almost to the point of having a blue tint. He said that although he wouldn't say it was for sure a "bigfoot," it sure looked like a man in an ape suit or the "suit" from the Patterson film. He said that it was the wierdest thing he ever saw dead on the side of the road.
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Interesting video interview with Dr. John Bindernagel. It was recently released but taped in 2007. He was working on his second book at the time (now recently published) and says that he wrote another book because his first one wasn't taken seriously.
I don't think they are quite as elusive as we think. I know they are observed much more commonly than most of us realize. But most of these observation do not become reports...
Yes, I think these things are living awfully quite close to civilization...
Uh oh. Many tens of thousands of witnesses - possibly hundreds of thousands of witnesses - living quite close to human civilization... and yet no body or body part. Bindernagel just made Bigfoot even less realistic than it was before he opened his mouth.
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