Witness describes explosions at North Tower

[Andy_Ross]

ANother example of obsessing over a detail. SO what if there were no gas lines? how does that show explosives were used to demolish the tower?

Wasn't it all done with thermite anyway?

 

[thecritta]

Jennings was indoors when the dust was heaviest. Lemos wasn't.

Joe Torres was near the scene, but was able to outrun the dust, and heard nothing like demolition charges, but did hear the echoes of the collapse threough the subway, and bothered to comment on that noise.

Lemos, to have heard anything resembling demolition charges, would have had to be standing m8uch closer to the tower.

He's short a few grams of dust.

So you would have to be standing right next to the towers now to
hear anything resembling demo charges i though that if you where
a mile or a kilometer away from the towers you would be able to
hear charges going off. But no you would have to be standing right
next to them or you wouldnt hear any charges that went of so oh
now i see yesss.

 

[dafydd]

So you would have to be standing right next to the towers now to
hear anything resembling demo charges i though that if you where
a mile or a kilometer away from the towers you would be able to
hear charges going off. But no you would have to be standing right
next to them or you wouldnt hear any charges that went of so oh
now i see yesss.

but there were nott any demo charges so wot are you talking about now you see nooooo

 

[ednadornblazer]

Jennings was indoors when the dust was heaviest. Lemos wasn't.

Joe Torres was near the scene, but was able to outrun the dust, and heard nothing like demolition charges, but did hear the echoes of the collapse threough the subway, and bothered to comment on that noise.

Lemos, to have heard anything resembling demolition charges, would have had to be standing m8uch closer to the tower.

He's short a few grams of dust.

Mr Lemos in the video looks like he might have recently showered. Like maybe he was very dusty and ran home to clean up. Do you know where he lives?

 

[thecritta]

Can you explain why it would be stupid?

Maybe it would be stupid cause if the building catches fire the gas pipes would blow up creating even more fire and potentially creating a raging inferno that could trap people and burn them to death and blow them out the windows of the freaken building if they exploded.

Let me see lets build a really huge tall skyscraper with a big restaurant at
the top and run gas pipes up and down the building just to service a stupid god damn restaurant but oh no thats really safe isnt it dont worry about the people in the builing that could burn to death get trapped die if the gas pipes decide to break open leak gas everywhere filling up the place and explode why not just use power to heat the coils on the ovens and stoves dont you think that i a much safer option that running gas lines up and down a tall building?

By the way using gas pipes potentially gives any nutcase a way to kill people destroy blow up the building and set it on fire im sure it wouldnt be to hard
to sabotage the gase lines if you could get past security and access the gas pipes, lookout someone let the pyromaniac terrorists into the building. Not to mention a disgruntled ex employee hell bent on revenge on the people who fired him when he worked in the building sabotaging the gas pipes.

See looks lots of reasons not to run gas pipes up very tall tall buildings.

 

[thecritta]

but there were nott any demo charges so wot are you talking about now you see nooooo

Yes there where tons of charges placed on every floor we have tons
of eyewitnesses tons of evidence why cany you just admit it they blew up the buildings on the beautiful wtc buildings they are gone makes me so sad. Dont you see all the flashes going off everywhere at every floor just before and when it collapses staright down it was like a new years fireworks shows times 20, there is tons of evidence i tell you just tons of it laying everywhere
on the ground in the steel cant you see all the cuts in the steel?

 

[leftysergeant]

Maybe it would be stupid cause if the building catches fire the gas pipes would blow up creating even more fire and potentially creating a raging inferno that could trap people and burn them to death and blow them out the windows of the freaken building if they exploded.

There are safety devices to shut off a gas line in the event of a sudden pressure drop or interuption of a pilot light. Whether there is a tank or a pressurized line, chances of a leak are about equal. A single propane tank bursting will do as much if not more damage than a severed gas line. More likely, a broken gas line in a fire will ignite immediately and just burn. A tank will cook off and blow the roof off.

Let me see lets build a really huge tall skyscraper with a big restaurant at
the top and run gas pipes up and down the building just to service a stupid god damn restaurant but oh no thats really safe isnt it dont worry about the people in the builing that could burn to death get trapped die if the gas pipes decide to break open leak gas everywhere filling up the place and explode why not just use power to heat the coils on the ovens and stoves dont you think that i a much safer option that running gas lines up and down a tall building?

You have just demonstrated your lack of knowledge of office building operations and of fire safety.

Most large hot water systems run on gas.

By the way using gas pipes potentially gives any nutcase a way to kill people destroy blow up the building and set it on fire im sure it wouldnt be to hard
to sabotage the gase lines if you could get past security and access the gas pipes, lookout someone let the pyromaniac terrorists into the building. Not to mention a disgruntled ex employee hell bent on revenge on the people who fired him when he worked in the building sabotaging the gas pipes.

Totally wrong. At most, you could fill a room with gas, but it would be difficult to do so without blowing yourself up. Once the gas/air mix deflagrates, you have quite an ordinary fire, if the consumption of oxygen does not snuff out all of the flames at once. Gas is a really poor accelerant.

 

[thecritta]

There are safety devices to shut off a gas line in the event of a sudden pressure drop or interuption of a pilot light. Whether there is a tank or a pressurized line, chances of a leak are about equal. A single propane tank bursting will do as much if not more damage than a severed gas line. More likely, a broken gas line in a fire will ignite immediately and just burn. A tank will cook off and blow the roof off.



You have just demonstrated your lack of knowledge of office building operations and of fire safety.

Most large hot water systems run on gas.



Totally wrong. At most, you could fill a room with gas, but it would be difficult to do so without blowing yourself up. Once the gas/air mix deflagrates, you have quite an ordinary fire, if the consumption of oxygen does not snuff out all of the flames at once. Gas is a really poor accelerant.

Just forget about it ok there where no gas pipes running up the wtc towers
to service the restaurant windows of the world or whatever it was called
there is no evidence what so ever to support the theory forget about it
duh dee bunkers this one is a dead end if you feel as though you have to
keep flogging a dead horse please do so you are wasting your time not mine
running around in circles.

The burden of proof is on the duh dee bunkers with this one.

 

[thecritta]

Can you explain why it would be stupid?

Come on tri where is you proof that there where gas pipes running
up the wtc twin towers feeding the restaurants at the top come on
tri lets see your evidence now got any yet? Nope didnt think so oh well
thats just too bad now isnt it?

 

[A W Smith]

Lemos ran. There are also plenty of witnesses on video who are not caked in dust. How many times are you going to try and re-bunk this?

I guess as a Be Twoofer you cant answer this, as i have posted it twice already
third time now

show us video which supports his description that CD explosions were going off "twenty stories below" the fires in rapid sequence floor by floor at the corner of the towers.

 

[The Platypus]

Yes there where tons of charges placed on every floor we have tons
of eyewitnesses tons of evidence why cany you just admit it they blew up the buildings on the beautiful wtc buildings they are gone makes me so sad. Dont you see all the flashes going off everywhere at every floor just before and when it collapses staright down it was like a new years fireworks shows times 20, there is tons of evidence i tell you just tons of it laying everywhere
on the ground in the steel cant you see all the cuts in the steel?

If there's tons of evidence of this, then provide it...

 

[leftysergeant]

Come on tri where is you proof that there where gas pipes running
up the wtc twin towers feeding the restaurants at the top come on
tri lets see your evidence now got any yet? Nope didnt think so oh well
thats just too bad now isnt it?

You are making the counter-intuitive claim. Burden of proof is all yours, dude.

 

[The Platypus]

is this what truthers are left with?

silly word games? might as well try that tactic to bring on the "new investigation".

everything else has failed so far.

What do you expect when dealing with immature and under educated minds.

 

[leftysergeant]

Yes there where tons of charges placed on every floor...

And we see no evidence of it in the videos for the given time frames.

we have tons of eyewitnesses tons of evidence...

We have no reliable eye witnesses for high explosive devices,

Dont you see all the flashes going off everywhere at every floor just before and when it collapses staright down it was like a new years fireworks shows times 20...

Actually, no. I see fire expressed from the burning fllors as the upper block falls, and I see sunlight reflecting off of panes of glass and strips of aluminum cladding as they twist and flutter in the wind.

there is tons of evidence i tell you just tons of it laying everywhere on the ground in the steel cant you see all the cuts in the steel?

I have not seen a single picture of a piece of steel that looks remotely as though it had been cut by explosives or thermite.

 

[thecritta]

If there's tons of evidence of this, then provide it...

Im working on it, i found some new stuff to compile from FOIA
like and explosion that can be heard from 3/4 of a mile away from
someone filming you can tell the explosion has sound delay and the
explosion occurs just before the top of the south tower begins to
drop and descend down i already ran the video file through sony sound
forge and it picks up two distinct explosion spikes in the sound just before
the top begins to come down i just have to check the original file to make
sure someone didnt decide to alter the sound or anything in the youtube
version but we will see what happens i will have to make a video soon
using editing software with no little tricks added and this time it is no
wind blowing against the mike i can tell its an actual explosion sound
its not really really loud either i guess thats because it is so far away
or the mic didnt pick up the sound properly the best it could but the thing
is the explosion occurs moments before collapse ruling out any possibilty of
the floors colliding or anything during the actual collapse itself.

 

[leftysergeant]

but the thing is the explosion occurs moments before collapse ruling out any possibilty of the floors colliding or anything during the actual collapse itself.

From 3/4 mile, the top should already be visibly in motion before you hear the sounds. Further, there would have to be ejecta consistant with explosive detonations. There are none.

 

[ergo]

You are making the counter-intuitive claim. Burden of proof is all yours, dude.

Huh. Now, suddenly, intuition is an appropriate research tool.

Trifor hasn't come up with any source for his assertion about gas lines, yet he made the claim as if he knew what he was talking about. JREF newbies should take note that this is a common bee dunker tactic -- simply making **** up. Often as outright lies, under the guise of self-proclaimed "expertise", and often as guesses that they hope you won't call them on.

 

[leftysergeant]

Huh. Now, suddenly, intuition is an appropriate research tool.

Let me explain my use of the word "counter-intuitive." This simply means that a phenomenon would be otehr than what we expect it bo be. Gas is widely used in building systems in NYC. The activities in the WTC would be best served by gas. One should, then, bloody well expect that there would be gas lines from cellar to rooftop restraunt

You are positing that there was no gas, but we can think of no reason for there not to be gas.

Burden of proof is all yours.

 

[The Platypus]

Im working on it, i found some new stuff to compile from FOIA
like and explosion that can be heard from 3/4 of a mile away from
someone filming you can tell the explosion has sound delay and the
explosion occurs just before the top of the south tower begins to
drop and descend down i already ran the video file through sony sound
forge and it picks up two distinct explosion spikes in the sound just before
the top begins to come down i just have to check the original file to make
sure someone didnt decide to alter the sound or anything in the youtube
version but we will see what happens i will have to make a video soon
using editing software with no little tricks added and this time it is no
wind blowing against the mike i can tell its an actual explosion sound
its not really really loud either i guess thats because it is so far away
or the mic didnt pick up the sound properly the best it could but the thing
is the explosion occurs moments before collapse ruling out any possibilty of
the floors colliding or anything during the actual collapse itself.

You are working on it? A youtube video? That's it and your already full of excuses? Come on now... That's not going to cut it...

And even if your "youtube video" is all that and such solid proof, why aren't you bringing this to the attention of the science or engineering communities or the international courts, etc, instead of making a youtube video and going on forums?

Don't wonder why most people don't take you seriously and think your stupid or crazy. You come off all arrogant and smug claiming too have "tons of evidence" of "tons of explosives" on "every floor" and what do you really have, a bunch of nothing and lots of excuses for it. I'd bet that you haven't even finished high school.

 

[The Platypus]

BTW thecritta, If this 911 is an "inside job conspiracy", what makes you think that the never named evil "they" that did it, is just going to hand over the evidence in a FOIA request?

That makes no sense that the never ever named "they" in the gov't, are smart enough and diabolical enough to murder 3000 people in the massive complex scheme and yet stupid enough to give some dweeb on the internet the smoking gun because he asked for it.