Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[JREF2010]

Oh, and are you suggesting that Meredith was subjected to mortal terror from the time she arrived home at 9pm to the "time of her death" at later than 11.30pm? That's not only simply laughable, but it also places the genesis of the crime at 9pm - thereby blowing the prosecution case apart all by itself. Or are you suggesting that Meredith was terrorised by a completely different set of people between 9pm and 11pm, or maybe that Guede spent a couple of hours torturing her on his own before Knox and Sollecito arrived to administer the coup de grace?

Let's not forget the "Meredith fiddling with the cell phone for over an hour" theory...

 

[lionking]

lionking,

I would be grateful if you would answer the questions that were put to you.

I will post on this thread however I wish, regardless of your gratitude.

How do you feel about those here who have denegrated Meredith's family? The real victims here?

 

[billyryan]

I wonder if the Kerchers will extend their apologies and condolences to the Knoxes, Mellases and Sollecitos if Amanda and Raffaele are fully acquitted.

Quite right Mary,once the Knox's were told that Amanda and Raffaele were arrested they had only one responsibility and that was too their own child.
Recently I saw Edda asked that question,she replied she thought that it would be better to wait until this false acquesation was sorted out before she offered her condolences to the Kerchers.

What Edda did not know then but I am sure she knows now,how cunning and ruthless were those who were framing her daughter

Amanda was questioned all night by a group of twelve detectives without a lawyer or an intepreter bullied into signing a confession,then held up to public ridicule, by being driven through the streets of Perugia in a police convoy with sirens blaring and celebrating police officers,I wonder if a captured Italian soldier in Afghanistan was interrogated like Amanda was and praded through the streets of a Taliban controlled area,how lowd would be the protest of the Italian governament

Get sentimental about the Kerchers if ye like,but if any of ye inocent guilty or dissenter were where the Knox Mellas Sollecito families are ye would be only interested in one thing the saving of your own children

 

[Dan O.]

The level of compassion displayed from some here for the major victims of this whole case (Meredith's family) is a sight to behold.

Are you claiming that the Kerchers are not involved in inflicting financial pain against Amanda and her family?

 

[lionking]

Are you claiming that the Kerchers are not involved in inflicting financial pain against Amanda and her family?

So what? They are the victims. Victims of crime should be compensated.

But that was not the point of my post. Why the lack of consideration here for the Kerchers?

 

[Kaosium]

So what? They are the victims. Victims of crime should be compensated.

But that was not the point of my post. Why the lack of consideration here for the Kerchers?

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are still considered innocent under Italian law.

 

[platonov]

Originally Posted by platonov
A link with a couple of lines of text would do

What I find interesting [apart from your 'ideas' about how cops should go about their business ] is the vitriol aimed at anybody who gives evidence or is involved in the case that lead to AK being convicted of murder........
Mignini, MK herself, Comodi, MK's English friends, Filomena, This or that cop, etc etc etc

It really is a large scale version of 'Leave Amanda Alone' and with as much 'reason' and misplaced emotion as the original Britney version.

I'm not seeing much vitriol at all. Nor do I see misplaced emotion. Instead, I see hard questions aimed at testing those whose investigation, testimony, advocacy or judgment contributed to the convictions of Knox and Sollecito. They were convicted of very serious crimes, and have potentially lost their freedom for over two decades. So it's entirely appropriate that hard questions are asked. Just as it should be entirely obvious that the burden of proof for their convictions should be appropriately high.

As far as your insinuation of a lack of reason goes, well I guess we'll see what conclusions the appeal court reaches before we make our first judgment calls on that one.

That didn't take long, did it.

etc = in this case MK's father/family

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[lionking]

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are still considered innocent under Italian law.

Completely ignoring my point.

I've seen too many posts lately critical of the major victims. Sure, if AK and RS are eventually found not guilty, their families may be considered victims in regard to the treatment of their children, but even then their suffering would be miniscule in comparison to the Kerchers. Get it?

 

[Chris C]

I will post on this thread however I wish, regardless of your gratitude.

How do you feel about those here who have denegrated Meredith's family? The real victims here?

How is Meredith's family the only REAL victims? I'm sorry but at some point you have to draw they line. Yes the trajedy has affected them. Yet you just toss out how it has affected those that lived in that apartment. Are not the rest of the people that had lived in that apartment, who had a friend and roommate murdered in their home a victim also?

 

[lionking]

Did I say "only"?

Seriously, you guys are somehow trying to compare a living and breathing person with a corpse. What a joke.

 

[Chris C]

Did I say "only"?

Seriously, you guys are somehow trying to compare a living and breathing person with a corpse. What a joke.

Meredith's family is alive.

 

[Kaosium]

Completely ignoring my point.

I've seen too many posts lately critical of the major victims. Sure, if AK and RS are eventually found not guilty, their families may be considered victims in regard to the treatment of their children, but even then their sufferring would be miniscule in comparison to the Kerchers. Get it?

What would you think of someone who found japery by exploiting the pain of others?

 

[lionking]

Meredith's family is alive.

This is why I don't post often here. What an undignified post!

 

[lionking]

What would you think of someone who found japery by exploiting the pain of others?

Edit. Not worth it.

 

[Dan O.]

Double time - The Meredith Kercher story and discussion of compassion for the family

Maybe we need to discuss the alternate scenario where Meredith in a current affair with the Italian boy downstairs meets a drifter at a bar on Halloween night and invites him to meet at her house the next night when her boyfriend will be out of town. Does our compassion for the victim prevent us from exploring this angle of a promiscuous disloyal Meredith?

[since this line of reasoning does not involve Amanda it will need to be split to it's own thread thus I have titled the OP if these topics continue]

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Raffaele in front of Judge Matteini

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Halides,

Well, that depends on just what the subject is. If it's just a matter of Amanda's whereabouts the night of the murder, then, yes, Raffaele told Judge Matteini on November 9, 2007 that Amanda had spent the night with him. But broadening the subject.... there is this delicate issue of why Raffaele told the cops on November 5 that Amanda had left him. Raffaele told Judge Matteini on November 9 that Amanda had persuaded (or induced) him to say that. In accusing her had he "backed up" Amanda???

So what were Raffaele's "final words" on this delicate subject? A very interesting way of phrasing the question because Raffaele apparently edited his Diary to make it look like his "final words" date from November 7, when he is supposed to have written the following, in his first Diary entry:
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"Meanwhile, she had spoken to me about the fact that she had found something strange at
her house. That is, she had found the front door open, faeces in the Italian girls’ bathroom
and blood in their bathroom [translator’s note: in the bathroom Amanda shared with
Meredith]. While we were going down Corso Garibaldi, she specifically demanded that I
go see what was happening in her house. The investigators asked me if she had told me to
say anything but (unfortunately, I now say) itʹs not like that: all I have said, I have said
[fatto] of my own free will. "
_____________________________________________________

Hmmm. The last sentence looks like an interpolation, added to his Diary after November 7. Not only is it irrelevant to the subject he's discussing at that point in his Diary, but it flatly contradicts statements he made later to Judge Matteini on November 9, when he told the judge that Amanda had persuaded him to lie:

"He retracted his previous statement and justified his conduct by say that it was Knox who convinced him to give a false version of events." Matteini

So, why another deceit, doctoring his Diary to make it appear that he'd retracted his charge against Amanda as early as November 7?


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Fine,

The Daily Telegraph article that you cited stated that in the interview on 5 November, “He retracted his previous statement and justified his conduct by say that it was Knox who convinced him to give a false version of events.” This sounds like the police version of his interrogation, and that obviously took place on 5 November, not in front of Judge Matteini. Dempsey said that the police kept telling him words to the effect of, “Don’t give us s***.”

Later the same article stated, “Clearly it is possible to contest that Sollecito Raffaele, in the audience with judge, affirmed that he passed the entire night between November 1 and 2 with Knox Amanda.[…]” I have now seen three versions of Raffaele’s appearance before Judge Matteini, and they all say essentially the same thing, that the two spent the night together.

By final words, I meant those spoken in a courtroom. The diary is a subject for another day. However, it looks to me as if you are making an assumption about the interpolation.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

two-way street

I will post on this thread however I wish, regardless of your gratitude.

How do you feel about those here who have denegrated Meredith's family? The real victims here?

I asked you first, and participation in a conversation like this is a two-way street.

 

[lionking]

I asked you first, and participation in a conversation like this is a two-way street.

You do this far too often. Don't answer my question, but don't act like you own this thread. "I asked you first". That's something you expect from a five year old.

 

[Kaosium]

You do this far too often. Don't answer my question, but don't act like you own this thread. "I asked you first". That's something you expect from a five year old.

I know some five-year olds who think it's funny to start acting up and see if they can get people in trouble. I also know of some people who get their daily dose of outrage from the Mail and act like five year-olds.

 

[platonov]

Debating with one's self - How to win in 2 easy steps.

Maybe we need to discuss the alternate scenario where Meredith in a current affair with the Italian boy downstairs meets a drifter at a bar on Halloween night and invites him to meet at her house the next night when her boyfriend will be out of town. Does our compassion for the victim prevent us from exploring this angle of a promiscuous disloyal Meredith?

[since this line of reasoning does not involve Amanda it will need to be split to it's own thread thus I have titled the OP if these topics continue]

Don't you already have another thread going on this subject - the one discussing 'Who killed MK if we exclude all the evidence against AK & RS and assume it was RG '.

It seems tailor made for this - How is that thread going by the way ?

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