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The Great Thermate Debate

superlogicalthinker said:
They say the reason they ommitted the tests, is because there was no reports of sounds of explosions, are you disagreeing with this?
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I am disagreeing with your very specific assertion that NIST states that "nobody heard anything". Please post a reference or link to the passage in which you claim they make this statement, and I'll explain to you how you've misinterpreted it.

Dave
 
superlogicalthinker said:
New NISTexplosions that they were forced to release. Now....I think I hear things exploding, seem like a reason for residue tests don't ya think?
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No, because NIST realizes, like most rational people, that explosions and things that sound like explosions can and DO happen in fires. In their opinion, and in the opinion of most rational people, there would need to be some additional corroborating evidence of explosives. In NIST's opinion, and in the opinion of most rational people, the huge, fully fuel-laden jet liners impacting at 500 mph, and huge unfaught fires were what made the towers collapse.

The preponderance of evidence doesn't lead anywhere near explosives in the towers, regardless of what you armchair investigoogle warriors say.
 
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superlogicalthinker said:
The pile driver theory, as we are told by NIST, after they saw the pancake theory would not hold sway, is in contridiction of the 3rd law.
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So far, that's an unsupported assertion, therefore worthless.

superlogicalthinker said:
Now....before I go any further, I'm not sure if anyone over here knows what that is, you tell me, and then I will respond.
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The mutual forces of action and reaction between any two bodies are equal, opposite and colinear. Now, please go ahead and attempt to justify your assertion.

Dave
 
superlogicalthinker said:
New NISTexplosions that they were forced to release. Now....I think I hear things exploding, seem like a reason for residue tests don't ya think?
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Hell no. They occur AFTER the collapse of the building and thus mean exactly sod-all. Do you grasp this concept?
 
leftysergeant said:
There were no explosive charges involved it the collapses. What Jennings thought was an explosion was just an over=pressurization of the building when neighbopring structures collapsed. Hess, who was with Jennings, describes it as a wind. HE don't make a steady wind, dude. Jennings said that it in no way ressembled any boiler explosion he had ever heard. Boiler explosions, to my professionally experienced ear sound a hell of a lot like HE detonations. They also do not create a "wind." So there were neither boiler explosions nor HE detonations in WTC 7 prior to collapse.



Again, none of them witnessed anything similar in any vaguely significant way to HE detonations. Knowing the timeline helps here.

We know what three of the events that Schroeder describs as "explosions" were, based on the timeline. We also know, based on Schroeder's timeline, what one of the blasts that Rodriguez heard was a backdraft in the elevator shafts We can infer from that that the first one was as well. One of Schroder's "explosions" was the second aircraft hitting the south tower. The third was thew collapse of the south tower. We know this because he was going up a stairway when he was warned of a second in-coming plane, THEN experienced the shock from the impact and fuel deflagration next door. After the third explosion, he found the lobby wrecked and deserted. Thus, the second "explosion" was actually the collapse of the south tower.



There is no sign that any steel melted. It just got red hot. Nothing here, folks. Those two guys in uniform atalking about the "molten styeel" appear not to have goten a sample. They apparently were near WTC 6 when they saw the molten metal. There was a firing range in there. Brass and lead in vast quantities melted.


You are, cbecause you take the word of amateur punks like Dylan Avery and ranting maniacs like A. Jones tell you stuff means, instead of asking experts like Triforcharity or me.
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"Rodriguez heard was a backdraft in the elevator shafts We can infer from that that the first one was as well"

LMAO!! A backdraft that could push them upwards, ya right. Must have been from that amazing jet fuel eh? Did the same backdraft cause people to have reconstructive surgery?
 
superlogicalthinker said:
"Rodriguez heard was a backdraft in the elevator shafts We can infer from that that the first one was as well"

LMAO!! A backdraft that could push them upwards, ya right. Must have been from that amazing jet fuel eh? Did the same backdraft cause people to have reconstructive surgery?
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More simple incredulity. Hope I never see you on a jury.

By the way, how was the US government able to fool the world's scientists?
 
leftysergeant said:
Hell no. They occur AFTER the collapse of the building and thus mean exactly sod-all. Do you grasp this concept?
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You can still hear em right? Big deal if they came from after the collapse, do you know haw they prepare a building for demolition? Obviously not. I believe 7 still standing eh?
 
superlogicalthinker said:
Right.....before NIST got there hands on everything, and really distorted it into everyone believing that the "upper block" had enough momentum to crush the total remaining structure underneath.
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This is probably futile, but: You really don't know what failures occurred or how the towers were built, do you?


You need - repeat, NEED - to read the following threads before continuing on with your arguments:
Two of those were started by another truther making the exact same claim you are, so you should find the opening posts to be familiar. The point is that you need to learn how the towers were constructed and how the failures occurred on that day before making any further claims.

superlogicalthinker said:
I never said the max temp was 650C, I said Eagar said the fires did not get much hotter than that.
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And I just showed you that that's not what Eagar said. Did you even read the article I linked in which he discussed temperatures?

superlogicalthinker said:
How could NIST determine the fires exceeded Eagars temps? Did they use their “best probable guess”, like they did with everything else LMAO! A guess! Eagar also blames the collapse on fires burning "uneven", and that caused "buckling" or "crippling".
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NCSTAR 1-5 and all the subreports. It's all there.

superlogicalthinker said:
Question: Where are all the buckled columns? All I have ever seen is relatively straight or bent like a horseshoe, shouldn't ALL of them have signs of buckling?
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NCSTAR 1-3C. It's all there too. You really should read the material before claiming it isn't present.

superlogicalthinker said:
Takes alot of heat to bend a column into a perfect horseshoe with no buckling at all, thousands of degrees.
WoW! That's some jet fuel eh?
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Or, the forces of the rubble landing on itself in the pile might have had something to do with it. You realize, of course, that nobody on the FEMA site teams managed to recover any steel before it hit the ground and had the rest of the rubble subsequently land on it, do you?

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Here's the problem: You're starting to run squarely afoul Logan's Law. You also do not have the knowledge about the recovered steel inventory, the failure modes, or the experiments that many people here do; your questions demonstrate this. You need - I say again, NEED - to research what happened before you continue any further. If you do not understand that the columns lost lateral support when the floors failed, and how the falling rubble could fail the floors at the connection points to the columns, then you will not understand why so many columns were indeed not buckled in the middle but instead showed signs of failure at their connection points to each other. If you do not understand that the critical detail to master is the floor truss to column connections, then you do not understand the collapse. It's that simple.

Read those linked threads. It'll help you understand things. Honestly.
 
superlogicalthinker said:
LMAO!! A backdraft that could push them upwards, ya right.
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100% certain.

Must have been from that amazing jet fuel eh?
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Absolutely.

Did the same backdraft cause people to have reconstructive surgery?
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No. The walls that the backdraft moved and the burns from the jet fuel caused them to need reconstructive surgery.

Now, before you come in here talking smack to fire fighters, find out what a backdraft is, what it sounds like, and what it can do. You are arguing from a position of ghastly ignorance. And anybody who tells you that a backdraft will not do all those things is either a liar or an imbecile.

Avery is a liar. Bollyn is a liar.

Jones is nuts and Gage is an imbecile.
 
Dave Rogers said:
So far, that's an unsupported assertion, therefore worthless.



The mutual forces of action and reaction between any two bodies are equal, opposite and colinear. Now, please go ahead and attempt to justify your assertion.

Dave
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Good, an equal and opposite force, now were getting somewhere, so......when the "upperblock" made contact with the remaining structure, where is the opposite reaction? Which would be some sort of deceleration, which we know did not happen at the point of impact, please ask me for proof.
 
leftysergeant said:
100% certain.



Absolutely.



No. The walls that the backdraft moved and the burns from the jet fuel caused them to need reconstructive surgery.

Now, before you come in here talking smack to fire fighters, find out what a backdraft is, what it sounds like, and what it can do. You are arguing from a position of ghastly ignorance. And anybody who tells you that a backdraft will not do all those things is either a liar or an imbecile.


Avery is a liar. Bollyn is a liar.

Jones is nuts and Gage is an imbecile.
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Sorry....but it sounds to me like YOUR the liar here. You say the same things about the FF I just posted, how's it feel?
 
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