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The Great Thermate Debate

I'm still trying to figure out why superlogicalthinker thinks that the commonly-held narrative is "The Government's" account. Does the US government have the power to brainwash structural engineers and scientists from all around the world? If "The Government" is contradicting Newtonian fundamental laws of physics, wouldn't a respected scientific organization from SOMEWHERE on Earth have mentioned something about it by now?

superlogicalthinker is no logical thinker I'm afraid.
 
Ok... You make the claim quoted below, then don't even acknowledge you were wrong when we demonstrate that you were.




Above and beyond all of that, why are you under the illusion that the eroded steel indicates anything suspicious? For the second (or third, or something) time in this thread: The Worcester group had determined that the reaction temperatures were between 550o and 850o C, and possibly up to 940oC, but no higher. They also determined that such a reaction that would leave such a series of microformations would have to take place on the order of hours. What thermate reaction would never exceed 940oC and last on the order of hours? The point here is that the steel had indeed been studied, and the results of those studies rule out thermate. And that's before you take into account that this was a very small number of pieces that were corroded, let alone any of the other arguments that have been mustered to refute the claim.

There is no there there. You are suffering under the delusion that there must be some proof out there for intentional demolitions of the towers. All of the reasons you offer in support of this have been presented in the past and shown to be distortions at best, outright falsities at worst. What you need to do is study the event itself, as well as all the knowledge that's been produced about it (at least read the WPI writeups, as well as Banovich and Foeck's stuff to figure out where you're going wrong with the thermate claims). What you need to stop doing is simply bringing up long disproven trutherisms. Search this forum for points before you bring them up; that'll save you from covering already well trod grounds. But one way or another, learn what really happened. If you continue presenting distortions and disproven talking points, you're going to get nowhere.

Right.....before NIST got there hands on everything, and really distorted it into everyone believing that the "upper block" had enough momentum to crush the total remaining structure underneath. I never said the max temp was 650C, I said Eagar said the fires did not get much hotter than that. How could NIST determine the fires exceeded Eagars temps? Did they use their “best probable guess”, like they did with everything else LMAO! A guess! Eagar also blames the collapse on fires burning "uneven", and that caused "buckling" or "crippling".

Question: Where are all the buckled columns? All I have ever seen is relatively straight or bent like a horseshoe, shouldn't ALL of them have signs of buckling?
Takes alot of heat to bend a column into a perfect horseshoe with no buckling at all, thousands of degrees.
WoW! That's some jet fuel eh?
 
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Takes alot of heat to bend a column into a perfect horseshoe with no buckling at all, thousands of degrees.
WoW! That's some jet fuel eh?

You are aware that a building collapsed, RIGHT?
You caught us with the jet fuel! Everyone knows that's all the fires had for fuel!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
So you think that if there were no explosives, there would be NO reports of explosions during the fires and collapses?

Not with reports of people needing reconstructive surgery because walls and debris, hit them in the face. Or how about reports of construction workers in the basement, seconds before the plane hit getting "blown". Or how about the newly released NIST tapes with the FDNY, saying a secondary explosion caused the lobby to collapse on them.....before 9:59 ( I hope you know what time that was)

But.....don't worry, all those credible people are lying, and making all this up for interesting table conversation. LMAO!
 
I'm still trying to figure out why superlogicalthinker thinks that the commonly-held narrative is "The Government's" account. Does the US government have the power to brainwash structural engineers and scientists from all around the world? If "The Government" is contradicting Newtonian fundamental laws of physics, wouldn't a respected scientific organization from SOMEWHERE on Earth have mentioned something about it by now?

superlogicalthinker is no logical thinker I'm afraid.

Give it time my man, it will happen soon. Are you arguing that the NIST report is not in direct contridiction with Newtons laws? This one should be fun.
 
What, are you serious? After all this time you don't know yet? This is something I should not have to explain to anybody over here at JREF, is it?

Nice try, but you have toanswer the questions in proper orderly fasion, not dodge them. This makes a debate impossible;)



Nice try, but you have to answer the questions in proper orderly fashion, not dodge them. This makes a debate impossible:D
 
Link or reference, please, to the passage in the NIST report that states that "nobody heard anything, at all", and gives that as a reason for not testing for explosives.

Dave

Its a known fact, I should not have to look it up for you, and I did not quote the report, I was paraphrasing. Are you saying that they did not say it?
 
Its a known fact, I should not have to look it up for you, and I did not quote the report, I was paraphrasing. Are you saying that they did not say it?

Yes, I'm saying that at no point does the NIST report deny that anyone heard anything at all. So, put up, shut up or get laughed at.

Same with Newton's Laws.

Dave
 
Please explain exactly how and why you think the NIST report is in direct contradiction with Newton's Laws.

Dave

The pile driver theory, as we are told by NIST, after they saw the pancake theory would not hold sway, is in contridiction of the 3rd law. Now....before I go any further, I'm not sure if anyone over here knows what that is, you tell me, and then I will respond.
 
superlogicalthinker

If it was thermite/mate why would there be explosions? Thermite/mate was put forward by 'truthers' to account for the lack of explosions.

If there were explosions why would there be any need for the thermite/mate idea?

My point with the railway locomotives was to point out that the same reaction and process is known from other incidences apart from 9/11
 
Yes, I'm saying that at no point does the NIST report deny that anyone heard anything at all. So, put up, shut up or get laughed at.

Same with Newton's Laws.

Dave

They say the reason they ommitted the tests, is because there was no reports of sounds of explosions, are you disagreeing with this?
 
The pile driver theory, as we are told by NIST, after they saw the pancake theory would not hold sway, is in contridiction of the 3rd law. Now....before I go any further, I'm not sure if anyone over here knows what that is, you tell me, and then I will respond.

Your claims, your burden, don't shift it to us.
 
Ok.....so you are now admitting there WERE explosions. NIST said nobody heard anything, at all, and thats why they never tested. This means that 118 out of 503 FF that documented seeing and hearing a phenomanon.....are just simply making it up for conversation. LMAO

There were no explosive charges involved it the collapses. What Jennings thought was an explosion was just an over=pressurization of the building when neighbopring structures collapsed. Hess, who was with Jennings, describes it as a wind. HE don't make a steady wind, dude. Jennings said that it in no way ressembled any boiler explosion he had ever heard. Boiler explosions, to my professionally experienced ear sound a hell of a lot like HE detonations. They also do not create a "wind." So there were neither boiler explosions nor HE detonations in WTC 7 prior to collapse.

There are dozens of testimony from people in the buildings who heard and felt explosions...

Again, none of them witnessed anything similar in any vaguely significant way to HE detonations. Knowing the timeline helps here.

We know what three of the events that Schroeder describs as "explosions" were, based on the timeline. We also know, based on Schroeder's timeline, what one of the blasts that Rodriguez heard was a backdraft in the elevator shafts We can infer from that that the first one was as well. One of Schroder's "explosions" was the second aircraft hitting the south tower. The third was thew collapse of the south tower. We know this because he was going up a stairway when he was warned of a second in-coming plane, THEN experienced the shock from the impact and fuel deflagration next door. After the third explosion, he found the lobby wrecked and deserted. Thus, the second "explosion" was actually the collapse of the south tower.

seeing molten steel/metal flowing in the debris pile.

There is no sign that any steel melted. It just got red hot. Nothing here, folks. Those two guys in uniform atalking about the "molten styeel" appear not to have goten a sample. They apparently were near WTC 6 when they saw the molten metal. There was a firing range in there. Brass and lead in vast quantities melted.

Yet, all of you seem to think it is just a made up story.......who's being illogical here?
You are, cbecause you take the word of amateur punks like Dylan Avery and ranting maniacs like A. Jones tell you stuff means, instead of asking experts like Triforcharity or me.
 

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