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Wikileaks

CHF said:
A problem they could have completely sidestepped if only they'd thought to plant WMD in Iraq.

I guess they were in Stupid Mode as opposed to Brilliant Mode like on 9/11.
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You are assuming coidentity of the Illuminati with the Republican Party, the US Government or an individual president.

A common mistakes for newbs.
 
little grey rabbit said:
You are assuming coidentity of the Illuminati with the Republican Party, the US Government or an individual president.

A common mistakes for newbs.
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Right, so the folks who apparently control the NYPD, FDNY, NIST, NORAD, air crash investigators, and 99% of the world's structural engineers do NOT control the US military in Iraq. :rolleyes:

I pity you people, I really do.
 
CHF said:
Right, so the folks who apparently control the NYPD, FDNY, NIST, NORAD, air crash investigators, and 99% of the world's structural engineers do NOT control the US military in Iraq. :rolleyes:

I pity you people, I really do.
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they do, but the US military does not control them.

Get it?
 
CHF said:
Granted, most of the info I've hear about from Wikileaks isn't really news (the Saudis support Al Qaeda??? No way!) but it is amazing that hundreds of thousands of secret US cables are now being released.

Strangely, there's still nothing about 9/11 being an inside job. No informants, no guilt-stricken conspirators, no whistleblowers...NOTHING.

Any truthers care to speculate why?
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The WikileaksTM leak may be a leak due to a struggle of factions within the Pentagon over future foreign policy.

Let us assume co-existence of two factions within Pentagon management. These two factions differ over future foreign policy. Our first faction, which we will call evil conspirators team A, wants war with Iran; our second faction, which we will call evil conspirators Team B, does not want war with Iran, because it thinks war with Iran is pure folly, will lead to WORLD war.

Evil conspirators Team B designs scheme to thwart plans of evil conspirators Team A.

Evil conspirators Team B releases hundreds of thousands of confidential documents to Wikileaks,TM a website which purports to give public access to secret government documents, as it has in the past with the infamous, alleged, US FM 30-31B.

All serious US diplomatic activity comes to a grinding halt.

Since, according to Clausewitz, war is the continuation of politics through other means, evil conspirators Team B wins over evil conspirators Team A (in the short term), because no diplomacy = no war.
 
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CHF said:
:boggled:
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It's full-blown conspiralogic: Everything that happens does so for a carefully calculated Reason. Only the men in the secret room know the true endgame. They tricked the US govt into going to war with Iraq, perhaps even by tricking some high-level people into believing they were in on the Conspiracy, then They double-crossed them by not planting WMDs, discrediting the US govt on the world stage. What purpose this served, we can only speculate, but it was surely intentional.

There's literally nothing that occurs in real life that can't be shoehorned in to this paranoid fantasy.
 
chipmunk stew said:
There's literally nothing that occurs in real life that can't be shoehorned in to this paranoid fantasy.
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And that's why it persists. With minimal work truthers never have to even begin to confront the inconvenient possibility that maybe, just maybe, they might be wrong.
 
little grey rabbit said:
You are assuming coidentity of the Illuminati with the Republican Party, the US Government or an individual president.
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Whereas, in fact, any specific definition of Illuminati is inconvenient to the conspiracy theorist, as it may exclude any future events he wishes to attribute to Illuminati. Refusal to define the enemy is a powerful propaganda tactic, as it means that literally anyone can be the target of fearmongering.

Dave
 
Here's something Little Grey Rabbit should read about the Illuminati:

http://www.pfo.org/illumint.htm

Brooks Alexander, of the Spiritual Counterfeits Project, comments on the real lack of documentation for the worldwide conspiracy theory:

"Rumor and speculation fill the gaps between scanty data. A net of suggestive (but inconclusive) circumstances can be extended as far as the mind can throw it. ... Some theorists are serious and qualified scholars, but they had to struggle uphill to establish credibility in a field dominated by cranks, extremists, and hidden agendas. Conspiracy enthusiasts have taken spectacular leaps to get "behind the scenes."
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Quiproquo said:
So, according to you, Al-Qaeda did not conspire to bring down the towers for a carefully calculated reason?
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Wow... Stating with sarcasm that "everything that happens does so for a carefully calculated reason" is absolutely no indication that the person making the statement actually believes that nothing that happens does so for a carefully calculated reason.

How did you even conceive that thought?
 
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chipmunk stew said:
It's full-blown conspiralogic: Everything that happens does so for a carefully calculated Reason. Only the men in the secret room know the true endgame. They tricked the US govt into going to war with Iraq, perhaps even by tricking some high-level people into believing they were in on the Conspiracy, then They double-crossed them by not planting WMDs, discrediting the US govt on the world stage. What purpose this served, we can only speculate, but it was surely intentional.

There's literally nothing that occurs in real life that can't be shoehorned in to this paranoid fantasy.
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Well the fact remains, we still don't know who forged the yellowcake document and whose interests it served.

But more importantly we don't know as to why it was not exposed BEFORE the war commenced. Remember we are talking about a document that was so bad that it had the wrong name of the responsible Minister for the date of the document (he had by that date already resigned).

Not one newspaper did the most basic checking on this document. Not one CIA officer did the five minutes googling needed to unpick. It would have taken an embassy official half a day's enquiry in Niger that this was an obvious fake.

Instead all we got was some fake melodrama about Valerie Plame as a distraction. But it didn't need glamourous CIA officials taking clandestine missions to unpick this, if anything it needed glamourous CIA officials taking clandestine missions to AVOID unpicking this.
 
bill smith said:
Very interesting LGR. It seems that I am not alone in thinking that Wikileaks is an American government operation. Ahmedinejad virtually says so in that exerpt that you posted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/world/middleeast/30iran.html

Unfortunately the Americans must know that the whole thing is totally obvious to any critical observer. It can't last so it may well be that action against Iran is close at hand before the cat gets completely out of the bag.
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Now Vladimir Putin is indicating that Wikileaks is is a psychological operation.
 
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bill smith said:
Now Vladimir Putin is indicating that Wikileaks is is a psychological operation.
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Using your logic, that means that it is NOT a psychological operation, because if it was, he'd be saying it wasn't. Or something like that.
 
twinstead said:
Using your logic, that means that it is NOT a psychological operation, because if it was, he'd be saying it wasn't. Or something like that.
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If Putin is accusing Wikileaks of being an American psyop, then that just proves it is actually a Russian psyop. Why would he be blaming anyone else if not to deflect attention from the truth? :tinfoil
 
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