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One of the reasons I suggested the hand towels as a possible source of contamination is that of all the places on which someone might leave their DNA, a bathroom hand towel would have to be a pretty strong candidate. Stefanoni actually argued - wrongly, according to the defence - that a 'rubbing' action is necessary to deposit DNA. Well with that theory, the action of someone drying their hands on the towel would be very likely to leave DNA.

Sollecito would almost certainly have used Amanda and Meredith's bathroom at some point during his visits, most likely on the day of 1 November when he'd cooked dinner at the cottage. The towels, of course, were taken from the small bathroom and were found next to and underneath the body, while the bra clasp was found in the same area (underneath the pillow to be sure, but there's no particular reason to think that was the case throughout the attack and its aftermath). DNA transfer from the bath towels would also explain the possible traces of DNA from other people on the clasp, especially given that those other people would most likely be Laura and Filomena; Sollecito could be identified through the Y chromosome test, while if the other contributors were all female, they would be much more difficult to identify.

I think your path of reasoning in assessing the probability of transfer from the towels is a little flawed (that the towel depositing DNA on just that spot is unlikely). Exactly the same argument can be made for the extreme unlikelihood of Sollecito depositing his DNA on just that point, even if he took part in the attack. What are the chances of Sollecito happening to not only touch the tiny metal hook of the bra, but also happening to leave his DNA on it - and not doing so on anything else in the room? Think of how many tests the scientific police did, how many traces of blood they tested - and Sollecito's DNA was only found on that one tiny spot! The odds are astronomical. Yet if we believe the scientific police, his DNA is there.

The point is that both arguments as to how the DNA got there are extremely unlikely, and there's no reason to think transfer from the towel is less probable than direct contact during the attack (note: you can't say 'it was more likely through direct contact because he cut the bra clasp', because the only evidence we have that he cut the bra clasp is the DNA itself - the reasoning would be circular). And in fact, given that his DNA was found nowhere else, it could be argued that transfer from the towels or elsewhere is more likely than direct contact, which surely would have left some other trace. However, I'm happy to say that both theories are equally likely (or unlikely).

I agree that this theory would rule out forensic contamination, but I'm not sure that makes it any less probable. In terms of testing the towels, I don't think any of them could be accurately tested; one of them had mildewed, and the other two were too saturated with blood to properly test (this is one reason given by the judge in Guede's appeal for refusing further testing on the towels).

According to the pdf Charlie Wilkes has provided, all three towels were tested with the green towel giving no results (this is the towel Charlie writes was ruined/mouldy).

The other two towels, a beige towel on the mattress and a light-colored towel found next to Meredith, all samples (seven total) tested were a match for Meredith with no other profiles present.

There were also two very wet lilac towels taken from the washer but they yielded no results.

It doesn't appear that the towel on the mattress was saturated with blood and there were five samples taken from this towel. The green towel had three samples taken and the light-colored towel two samples.

Do you suppose the judge of Rudy's appeal meant the towels could not be re-tested in the present because they had been destroyed during testing?
 
What happened to Meredith's belongings?

The "before and after" photos of Meredith's bed are not only clearly indicative of unprofessional police procedures, they are also highly demeaning to the victim herself. I hope that Meredith's family know how her belongings were treated by the police. And what happened to all these belongings? I seem to remember John Kercher saying that the family was very distressed to only receive a very small number of Meredith's belongings back from the police. Did the police just throw away the pile of stuff that is pictured on the bed? And what happened to the presents that Meredith's family know she had bought for them? It's horrible to speculate what might have happened to them....


John Kercher in Hello! Magazine :

I think that one of the saddest things was when we, as a family, traveled to Italy to give our own testimonies about Meredith to the court. After two years, we were finally told that we could take her possessions home with us.

We knew that she had some wonderful clothes, a lot of special chocolate bought at Perugia’s famous chocolate festival, and an opera calendar that she had bought for her mother’s birthday, for which she was due to travel home.

I expected this large suitcase full of her belongings, but it was sad to be presented with only a small battered case. There were hardly any clothes, most having been destroyed during forensic testing, no calendar and no chocolate. I would have kept mine forever.


"There were hardly any clothes, most having been destroyed during forensic testing"

John Kercher seems to be under the mistaken impression that most of Meredith's items were destroyed in forensic testing. In reality half of the primary evidence of what she was wearing when attacked were not collected until on or after Dec 18th - Jacket, pumas, socks, bra clasp, brown leather purse, beige tote bag. No documentation of long sleve tshirt ever tested. Then one of the towels was allowed to rot. They failed to even to test primary evidence timely and effeciently, certainly not other items.

Her other items were simply treated with disrespect. The rest of her things should have been carefully stored for her family. The flying squad treated Meredith's items with great disregard. Why would the Kerchers need to wait two years for her items not involved in the murder? They should have had her items within a few months at the latest.

Did the same folks who broke in and stold Meredith's mattress steal the chocolates as well ?


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One of the reasons I suggested the hand towels as a possible source of contamination is that of all the places on which someone might leave their DNA, a bathroom hand towel would have to be a pretty strong candidate. Stefanoni actually argued - wrongly, according to the defence - that a 'rubbing' action is necessary to deposit DNA. Well with that theory, the action of someone drying their hands on the towel would be very likely to leave DNA.

Sollecito would almost certainly have used Amanda and Meredith's bathroom at some point during his visits, most likely on the day of 1 November when he'd cooked dinner at the cottage. The towels, of course, were taken from the small bathroom and were found next to and underneath the body, while the bra clasp was found in the same area (underneath the pillow to be sure, but there's no particular reason to think that was the case throughout the attack and its aftermath). DNA transfer from the bath towels would also explain the possible traces of DNA from other people on the clasp, especially given that those other people would most likely be Laura and Filomena; Sollecito could be identified through the Y chromosome test, while if the other contributors were all female, they would be much more difficult to identify.

I think your path of reasoning in assessing the probability of transfer from the towels is a little flawed (that the towel depositing DNA on just that spot is unlikely). Exactly the same argument can be made for the extreme unlikelihood of Sollecito depositing his DNA on just that point, even if he took part in the attack. What are the chances of Sollecito happening to not only touch the tiny metal hook of the bra, but also happening to leave his DNA on it - and not doing so on anything else in the room? Think of how many tests the scientific police did, how many traces of blood they tested - and Sollecito's DNA was only found on that one tiny spot! The odds are astronomical. Yet if we believe the scientific police, his DNA is there.

The point is that both arguments as to how the DNA got there are extremely unlikely, and there's no reason to think transfer from the towel is less probable than direct contact during the attack (note: you can't say 'it was more likely through direct contact because he cut the bra clasp', because the only evidence we have that he cut the bra clasp is the DNA itself - the reasoning would be circular). And in fact, given that his DNA was found nowhere else, it could be argued that transfer from the towels or elsewhere is more likely than direct contact, which surely would have left some other trace. However, I'm happy to say that both theories are equally likely (or unlikely).

I agree that this theory would rule out forensic contamination, but I'm not sure that makes it any less probable. In terms of testing the towels, I don't think any of them could be accurately tested; one of them had mildewed, and the other two were too saturated with blood to properly test (this is one reason given by the judge in Guede's appeal for refusing further testing on the towels).

If the objection consists in making an analogy between Sollecito leaving DNA in a single spot - the bra clasp - and the theory of transfert via towel, I disagree, and I found the two cases very different.

1. First of all, the number of DNA findings in Meredith's room is not an issue, and was not an issue in my argument. Rudy Guede left only three DNA traces on items, which is more than one, but not a number of a different magnitude. This is the size of numbers if we are speaking about items traces that where sampled. Maybe there were 30 DNA traces of Rudy in the room and only 10% were sampled, maybe there where 10 traces of Sollecito in the rom, and you would have a finding with the same ratio.

2. The transfer from Raffaele touching the bra clasp would be a direct transfer (like all others were deemed to be direct transfers). While the transfer from a towel would be secondary, and the likeliness of leave a secondary transfer is something entirely different. It is about very different odds from touching an object. A towel would contain only microscopic tiny amounts of DNA, a minuscle amount, not quite like a human finger, and also it would be extremely unlikely to transfer this amount on a precise spot.

3. There is no evidence of towels with Sollecito's DNA. One or two the towels were analysed and DNA samples from Sollecito were not found. Moreover, Sollecito's defence did not ask for furthr tests, and did not put forward this theory, and what the defence does and says on the matter is important in the case as you know: the defence in fact proposes a different theory based on forensic error. The whole thing has, as an effect, the fact that there is no evidence of presence of Sollecito's DNA on a towel, so this towel with DNA needed to build the theory is missing.

4. The relation between the towel and the bra hook is very weak. I mean it is about the less likely object to have contact with the towel, and expecially unlikely to have a strong contact with the towel. This tiny clasp would have fallen on the ground during the attack and was under the pillow when the victim was placed in her last position. The towels enter into play after the stabbing. You could imagine that towels could have been used extensively on the floor to clean blood, wiping and brushing and maybe over the piece pf bra clasp. But this kind of activity would be a clean up, and a clean up incriminates Amanda Knox. The bra clasp is an object of no weight and we may think the only way it could have a contact with the towel is getting catchd and wrapped into a towel inadvertently, and then dropped exactly where it was found underneath the body. This complication is needed to build a dynamic. But the bra clasp nevertheless is not stained with blood and the towels are soaked with blood. To conclude, there is no reason to think the towels should leave their secondary transfer on that piece of item.

5. Apparently - although I am not sure about the whole set of loci - the fragments of DNA don't need Laura and Filomena to be explained. Moreover, the towels were from the small bathroom, not used by Laura and Filomena. If you start thinking about a towel from the other bathroom, things get complicate because Rudy Guede - dirty with blood on his hands and clothes, cuts on his hands, bloody shoes or allegedly bloody feet, allegedly tiny glass fragments - didn't leave any trace of himself nor of Meredith in the big bathroom, while traces of Meredith's blood are abundant in the other bathroom. So I would not easilly believe Rudy as lone perpetrator walked in the other bathroom to get a towel.
 
According to the pdf Charlie Wilkes has provided, all three towels were tested with the green towel giving no results (this is the towel Charlie writes was ruined/mouldy).

The other two towels, a beige towel on the mattress and a light-colored towel found next to Meredith, all samples (seven total) tested were a match for Meredith with no other profiles present.

There were also two very wet lilac towels taken from the washer but they yielded no results.

It doesn't appear that the towel on the mattress was saturated with blood and there were five samples taken from this towel. The green towel had three samples taken and the light-colored towel two samples.

Do you suppose the judge of Rudy's appeal meant the towels could not be re-tested in the present because they had been destroyed during testing?

Yes, they were tested, but I don't think they could be tested properly (i.e. they were so saturated in Meredith's blood that it would've been impossible to detect anyone else's DNA). I don't think the judge can have meant they were destroyed during testing, because IIRC he specifically gives the blood saturation as a reason for not being able to test them. I'll look it up, though.
 
I know, I've been out of this thread long enough I couldn't remember any specific instances. Still in comparison to the threads on Israel this is small time stuff.


Welcome back, shuttlt. I was wondering whatever became of you.
 
According to the pdf Charlie Wilkes has provided, all three towels were tested with the green towel giving no results (this is the towel Charlie writes was ruined/mouldy).

The other two towels, a beige towel on the mattress and a light-colored towel found next to Meredith, all samples (seven total) tested were a match for Meredith with no other profiles present.

There were also two very wet lilac towels taken from the washer but they yielded no results.

It doesn't appear that the towel on the mattress was saturated with blood and there were five samples taken from this towel. The green towel had three samples taken and the light-colored towel two samples.

Do you suppose the judge of Rudy's appeal meant the towels could not be re-tested in the present because they had been destroyed during testing?

Here ya go. I had forgotten how much I don't like Rudy's appeal judge's writing style. Actually this may be one of his better, or at least shorter sentences:

La richiesta di. accertamento peritale per- verificare l'esistenza di tracce biologiche sugli asciugamani che l'imputato asserisce di aver utilizzato per cercare di tamponare il sangue che sgorgava dalla gola della vittima non è stata accolta, non solo perché non si trattava di prova decisiva, ma soprattutto perché inutile, risultando dagli atti che la polizia scientifica non aveva rinvenuto tracce biologiche sugli stessi perché completamente intrisi di sangue, fatto che non permetteva il reperimento di D.N.A. e uno di essi, addirittura, aggredito dalle muffe.

The request for an expert investigation in order to verify the existence of biological traces on the towels which the accused claimed to have used to try and staunch the flow of blood from the victim’s neck was not approved, not only because it was not considered to be decisive evidence, but above all because [it would have been] useless, it having emerged from the trial records that the scientific police had not discovered biological traces on the towels because [they were] completely soaked with blood, a fact which did not allow for the retrieval of DNA, and one of them [the towels] had even been attacked by mould.

I understood this to mean that although they could obviously detect Meredith's DNA (it having been her blood) trying to find anyone else's DNA - inevitably in much smaller quantities - would have been useless.

I'd also point out that, even if this weren't the case, IIRC only two or three samples were taken from each towel anyway, which wouldn't rule out the possibility that Raffaele's or anyone else's DNA might have been elsewhere on them (Rudy's lawyers appeared to think there was at least an argument that was the case). It's hard to believe that no one's DNA was on the hand towels through normal use, not unless they'd just been washed that same day or something.
 
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John Kercher seems to be under the mistaken impression that most of Meredith's items were destroyed in forensic testing. In reality half of the primary evidence of what she was wearing when attacked were not collected until on or after Dec 18th - Jacket, pumas, socks, bra clasp, brown leather purse, beige tote bag. No documentation of long sleve tshirt ever tested. Then one of the towels was allowed to rot. They failed to even to test primary evidence timely and effeciently, certainly not other items.

Her other items were simply treated with disrespect. The rest of her things should have been carefully stored for her family. The flying squad treated Meredith's items with great disregard. Why would the Kerchers need to wait two years for her items not involved in the murder? They should have had her items within a few months at the latest.<snip>


That is heartbreaking. Absolutely no reason for it.
 
Is Knox not a convicted killer? NO!

Knox is convicted, but not a proven killer beyond ANY DOUBT.

It is a fact that Knox is convicted of some complicity in the death of Knox.

It is NOT a fact that Knox is a killer. The prosecution has NOT proved that Knox is a killer to ANY above zero probability, let alone BEYOND ANY doubt.

If a newspaber states in a headline that Knox is a killer, then they have to do be sure of guilt BEYOND ANY doubt in order to be completely accurate and absolutely free of libel.

To extrapolate my argument: If any of the Knox family has any stress related death, then the guilters would be more guilty of being accomplices to that death than Amanda is guilty of any complicity in the death of MK.

Well, people have to call it something. "Convicted" is so much easier than 'Found-guilty-in-the-first-stage-of-a-three-step-process-but-she's-still-considered-innocent-under-Italian-law-until-the-process-is-complete.'

That just doesn't fit into a headline very well.

As for the other, it's just words on a computer screen. If you don't like them then don't read them. The eye-roll-and-scroll is an effective technique to avoid stress related deaths. :)

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster . . . for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”
 
Antony said, "We can see the bra clasp being contaminated right in front of our eyes on the video."

There are very few ways to interpret this statement which do not sound facetious, because it is a patently false statement. We can see nothing of the sort, and the claim is ridiculous on its own merits. It needs no additional help.

I seem to have caused quite a stir with my post yesterday. Thank you for quoting my actual words. Note that my words are not anything to the effect that it's possible to see DNA being transferred.

What we see on the video is first one agent, and then another, handling the bra clasp, both of which hold it by the hook, which is exactly where Raffaele's DNA was allegedly found. This is what we see in front of our eyes on the video.

Is it or is it not footage of the bra clasp "being contaminated"? The evidence that it was contaminated at this point is a lot stronger than any evidence that Raffaele handled the bra clasp during the course of the murder, particularly as nobody can give any plausible narrative of the attack on Meredith that involves anyone ever touching the hook of the bra. Yet this is a touchstone of the prosecution case, and an article of faith for the guilters.

I could just as easily say that there is no reason to presume their gloves were contaminated with any other DNA. There does not seem to have been an abundance of DNA of any sort randomly situated around the apartment to be transferred in the first place,

Now you're being ridiculous. A flat occupied by 4 young women, with "no abundance of DNA" in it? That's not even considering all of their visitors. All that shows is that the investigation didn't try very hard to find it.

Raffaele was reportedly in the flat during the day of Nov 1, and was definitely there on the morning after the murder. Just because the investigators only found his DNA on a cigarette butt doesn't mean it wasn't there, for perfectly innocent reasons.

and the application of considerable wishful thinking is required to make the unqualified assertion that Sollecito's DNA in particular was transferred to that particular location at that particular instant.

I think I've been far more circumspect in my assertion than the guilter side, or the official Perugia prosecutors come to that.
 
contamination defined forensically

"Contaminated" by what? What is the legal definitation of "contamination" in the Italian judicial system?

I just provided a scientific defninition of contamination yesterday. Why don't you look into the definition used by the Italian judicial system and get back to us?
 
You appear to have missed the point on the later misspellings - I believe the poster with the suspiciously Italian sounding username was having a little fun with Withnail, who like you hasn't figured that out yet.

But I can well believe were W running an investigation there would be much confusion :)

On the Audio devices I think you will find your concern is misplaced ; The Italian cops seem to have plenty of same & tapes of AK and others in conversation to boot - Which indeed helped get her convicted.

See recent posts for an example.

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Hey Platonov,
How'z it?!

Funny how your mention of questioning+audio recordings does not seem to include the 1 that I made mention of.
You know, that 1 that has a famous photo of Amanda Knox, surrounded by 8 investigators and that 1 guy who smacks his forehead.
I think a copy of this same photograph is hangin' up somewhere special in Rome...

Is that 1 audio recorded?
I'd luv to hear a translated English version of it!!!

Speaking of recordings,
have you read the latest at Perugia Shock?
I'll post a link for you here:
http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2010/11/second-chance-for-amanda-and-raffaele.html

Check out this:
The Court of Appeal had granted Patrick, for his fourteen days of unjust detention, 8,600 euro compensation. This is way more what he may have earned in fourteen days working his pub job. But now he feels so damaged that he appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, and for 516,000 euro!

When he sought compensation, Patrick represented himself as a man and a father who was ruined, unable to carry on a normal role in society anymore. A man who lost his peace and his jovial temper, who can’t sleep quietly at night anymore, who is tormented by fears and insecurities and needs to be permanently assisted by psychiatrists.

So Called 'Custody'

Nelson Mandela was not that ruined after spending twenty-seven years in the notorious Robben Island Prison. How is it possible that Patrick became such a wreck only after fourteen days of neutral custody in the model-jail of Capanne, and after a few hours of perfectly good-mannered interrogation at the police station?
If we listen to the story, the way he told it, we’d probably find the answer.

"At 6.30am on Tuesday, November 6, the bell to his fourth-floor flat in the town buzzed insistently and a woman's voice outside demanded he opened the door. He barely had time to do so when the woman, assisted by, Patrick estimates, 15 to 20 others, barged their way in. "They were wearing normal clothes and carrying guns," he says. "I thought it must be some sort of armed gang about to kill me. I was terrified. "They hit me over the head and yelled 'dirty black'. Then they put handcuffs on me and shoved me out of the door, as Aleksandra pulled Davide away, screaming." He was greeted outside by a convoy of seven police cars, sirens blazing, and was driven to Perugia's police station, where he was subjected to a ten-hour interrogation. "I was questioned by five men and women, some of whom punched and kicked me," he claims. "They forced me on my knees against the wall and said I should be in America where I would be given the electric chair for my crime. All they kept saying was, 'You did it, you did it.' "I didn't know what I'd 'done'. I was scared and humiliated. Then, after a couple of hours one of them suggested they show me a picture of 'the dead girl' to get me to confess. "It might sound naive, but it was only then that I made the connection between Meredith's death and my arrest. Stunned, I said, 'You think I killed Meredith?' "They said, 'Oh, so now you've remembered' and told me that if I confessed I'd only get half the 30-year sentence." It wasn't until 5:30pm that, still handcuffed and unfed, he was shown the evidence against him..."

Damn. If this were true, we would understand why he wants to be compensated with half a million euro! It wouldn’t even be enough. If this were true, what Amanda reports, which is to a lesser degree, would be totally consistent.
If they treated people like this, what would they do to knives and clasps?

Guess what: in Italy nobody knows this version, since Patrick released it only abroad. Judges didn’t even know about this. Well, they do now. They just read it here and they can see the original on the Daily Mail. Maybe among the preliminary exceptions, Knox and Sollecito’s lawyers could ask President Pratillo to ask the Daily Mail to provide the tape of that interview. Because if this were true..."
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Now that would be an interesting recording to hear,
don'tcha think?:)
RWVBWL

***-BOLDING mine
 
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Are cover versions ever as good ?

Hey Platonov,
How'z it?!

Funny how your mention of questioning+audio recordings does not seem to include the 1 that I made mention of.
You know, that 1 that has a famous photo of Amanda Knox, surrounded by 8 investigators and that 1 guy who smacks his forehead.
I think a copy of this same photograph is hangin' up somewhere special in Rome...

Is that 1 audio recorded?
I'd luv to hear a translated English version of it!!!

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Now that would be an interesting recording to hear,
don'tcha think?
RWVBWL

***-BOLDING mine


A link with a couple of lines of text would do ;)

What I find interesting [apart from your 'ideas' about how cops should go about their business :) ] is the vitriol aimed at anybody who gives evidence or is involved in the case that lead to AK being convicted of murder........
Mignini, MK herself, Comodi, MK's English friends, Filomena, This or that cop, etc etc etc
& now PL.

It really is a large scale version of 'Leave Amanda Alone' and with as much 'reason' and misplaced emotion as the original Britney version.

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Quote:
John Kercher in Hello! Magazine :
I think that one of the saddest things was when we, as a family, traveled to Italy to give our own testimonies about Meredith to the court.
After two years, we were finally told that we could take her possessions home with us.

We knew that she had some wonderful clothes, a lot of special chocolate bought at Perugia’s famous chocolate festival,
and an opera calendar that she had bought for her mother’s birthday, for which she was due to travel home.

I expected this large suitcase full of her belongings, but it was sad to be presented with only a small battered case.
There were hardly any clothes, most having been destroyed during forensic testing,
no calendar and no chocolate.
I would have kept mine forever.
That is heartbreaking. Absolutely no reason for it.
Thank you both for pointing this out once again.
I was especially sad reading that Mr. Kercher would have kept that chocolate forever...

Reminds me of my own, well never mind.
Good wishes to you all,:)
RWVBWL

PS-CapeAladin,
I am a Los Angeles native, born+bred. Life in the city is very tough sometimes.
I was sorry to read that Ronnie Chasen was a friend of yours.
May she rest in peace, in her death...
 
A link with a couple of lines of text would do ;)

What I find interesting [apart from your 'ideas' about how cops should go about their business :) ] is the vitriol aimed at anybody who gives evidence or is involved in the case that lead to AK being convicted of murder........
Mignini, MK herself, Comodi, MK's English friends, Filomena, This or that cop, etc etc etc

It really is a large scale version of 'Leave Amanda Alone' and with as much 'reason' and misplaced emotion as the original Britney version.

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I'm not seeing much vitriol at all. Nor do I see misplaced emotion. Instead, I see hard questions aimed at testing those whose investigation, testimony, advocacy or judgment contributed to the convictions of Knox and Sollecito. They were convicted of very serious crimes, and have potentially lost their freedom for over two decades. So it's entirely appropriate that hard questions are asked. Just as it should be entirely obvious that the burden of proof for their convictions should be appropriately high.

As far as your insinuation of a lack of reason goes, well I guess we'll see what conclusions the appeal court reaches before we make our first judgment calls on that one.
 
Thank you both for pointing this out once again.
I was especially sad reading that Mr. Kercher would have kept that chocolate forever...

Reminds me of my own, well never mind.
Good wishes to you all,:)
RWVBWL

PS-CapeAladin,
I am a Los Angeles native, born+bred. Life in the city is very tough sometimes.
I was sorry to read that Ronnie Chasen was a friend of yours.
May she rest in peace, in her death...

It's illuminating that nobody's trying to defend the Perugia police about the lack of respect they clearly showed towards Meredith's personal belongings, not to mention the suspicious disappearance of items of sentimental value while the premises were supposedly under their sealed custody. Very unsavoury.
 
What happened to the personal possessions of the other three women that lived in the apartment?
 
LondonJohn,

Apologies, I am feeling my way back into this, so I hope my question isn't a repetition of recently covered ground. When you talk about the burden of proof being high, do you mean on the forum, in the court, or both?
 
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