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Wikileaks is an enemy of the United States

Virus said:
People are claiming they need illegally leaked classified documents to know what's going on. That's false as I already knew most of the stuff that was leaked about Saudi Arabia. I didn't need the full text of classified diplomatic cables to know that.
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I didn't make that claim.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
He didn't brag to a reporter from wired, he allegedly bragged to a tweaked-out, neurotic hacker named Adrian Lamo, who then bragged about THAT to wired.
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Ah, ok. What was this moron thinking? Couldn't he even possibly see how this was going to work out for him?
 
Alt+F4 said:
Sorry if this is slightly off topic, but why would the original source of the leaks, an Army private forfeit his life and probably spend the next 50 years in a Supermax to release information that so far is so far innocuous?
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Because he was stupid? (Mind, he hasn't yet been charged with leaking this data yet, but he is a likely suspect.)
 
Leif Roar said:
Because he was stupid? (Mind, he hasn't yet been charged with leaking this data yet, but he is a likely suspect.)
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I can understand being stupid. I can't understand being stupid to the extent that someone's actions (if he's guilty) will probably result in a life term in federal prison - especially when the actions were premediated and didn't result in the death of anyone.
 
Garrison0fMars said:
Has he been allowed to? I don't know really know the details of his custody myself.
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No. He has not had contact with the outside world whatsoever. Wikileaks offered to pay for his counsel, but he was denied that access. He will be provided counsel from the military.
 
Alt+F4 said:
On a separate point, how does a 21 year-old private get to be an intelligence analyst and have so much access to all these documents?
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Speaking a little hyperbolic, I think we can say that the real culprit in this saga is whoever signed off on the security architecture of SIPRNET.
 
I would also argue that the contents of the Collateral Murder video were not innocuous, nor were the contents of the Iraq War Logs, specifically FRAGO 242.
 
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So what explosive material is in those leaked Cables?

Now despite the fact that it isn't Wikileaks fault that some US citizen working for the US Government leaked the cables to Wikileaks, a fact most "Skeptics" in here seem to forget, what explosive material is actually in there?

The most enlightening info seems to be the views on Iran and that many Arab Countries just like Israel seem to endorse an attack on Iran - and that many Arab countries ... surprise, surprise, actually use Israel to get their messages to Washington.

But unfortunately, right now just 246 out of the 251,287 messages have been released so far. So this thread is actually meant to talk about the upcoming information that might be controversial or explosive in some way.

And for a start, I just found this gem:

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/10BERLIN128.html

3. (C) Germany has become a difficult partner with regards to security-related information sharing initiatives followingthe September 27 national elections, which brought the FDP into the governing coalition. The FDP sees themselves as defenders of citizens' privacy rights and these views have led the FDP to oppose many of Germany's post-9/11 counterterrorism legislative proposals (see reftels). At times, the FDP's fixation on data privacy and protection issues looks to have come at the expense of the party forming responsible views on counterterrorism policy. *snip*

In our meetings we have made the point that countering terrorism in a globalized world, where
terrorists and their supporters use open borders and information technology to quickly move people and financing, requires robust international data sharing. We need to also demonstrate that the U.S. has strong data privacy measures in place so that robust data sharing comes with robust data protections.
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Bolding mine.
Really??? :confused:
Good luck with that! :D

The released cables so far at:
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/
 
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Now this is charming:

Diplomats as spies: As part of an intelligence gathering effort, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2009 ordered diplomats overseas and at the U.N. to collect personal information on foreign officials including credit card and frequent flier numbers and biometric information. Read that cable here, and the New York Times' writeup here. While this may not be shocking to foreign policy wonks, it is certainly embarrassing for the United States and calls into question how much -- and how frequently -- the role of diplomat and spy has been blurred.....

Source: Top 10 most important WikiLeaks revelations
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Virus said:
People are claiming they need illegally leaked classified documents to know what's going on. That's false as I already knew most of the stuff that was leaked about Saudi Arabia. I didn't need the full text of classified diplomatic cables to know that.
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Having perused a lot of the "big" stories from the leak, I must agree that there wasn't much that wasn't already known or assumed by those who've been paying attention. I was kind of astounded at how uncontroversial most of it was.

I'm sure there is some information in there that's cause for alarm to a degree, but this all seems blown out of proportion.

That said, I DO think the intent behind this was malicious, and I do think wikileaks are douchebags.
 
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