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Wikileaks is an enemy of the United States

Hey,

Where the hell is the Wikileaks page?

I keep getting the old one with the War Diaries on the front page. THere's another link available for the cables, apparently, but I can't find the front page with the search bar to look up other stuff.
 
Hey,

Where the hell is the Wikileaks page?

I keep getting the old one with the War Diaries on the front page. THere's another link available for the cables, apparently, but I can't find the front page with the search bar to look up other stuff.

This one? They seem to have pulled a Bad Astronomy on us.
 
Assange is facilitating it...and in doing so putting lives at risk. And despite repeated attempts by the U.S. to request that he stop putting these documents out, he continues to do so...risking U.S. National Security interests.

We as a country can't allow that.

And yet, when Assange - in advance - asked the US government for guidance on which documents specifically put lives at risk, and what needed to be redacted (that wkileaks hadn't already removed) to protect them.... he received no answer (just another generic press-released statement).

http://documents.nytimes.com/letters-between-wikileaks-and-gov
 
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And it clearly was done without any concern for their lives, and without any sort of information whose exposure remotely justifies risking their lives.

Was it really done without any concern for lives? Or was it actually carefully vetted with the help of news organisations to remove the names of sources or agents who could be put in danger? And were governments informed days in advance of what kind of information would be released so that they could protect any sources that slipped through?

It seems to me to be the latter, but if you have any sources showing that agents or sources names were included, i'd be interested to see.
 
Since when did being a democracy entitle people to leak military information to our enemies?

Is Qaddafi's "voluptuous blonde nurse" military information?

Can you see a difference between "there are fifty planes armed with missiles based in the al'Adygaga District in Uzturkestan" and "the Belgian ambassador's brower history includes Hulu, www.naughtynauticalnuns.org, and Harry Potter fanfic"?
 
Was it really done without any concern for lives? Or was it actually carefully vetted with the help of news organisations to remove the names of sources or agents who could be put in danger? And were governments informed days in advance of what kind of information would be released so that they could protect any sources that slipped through?

It seems to me to be the latter, but if you have any sources showing that agents or sources names were included, i'd be interested to see.

Is Qaddafi's "voluptuous blonde nurse" military information?

Can you see a difference between "there are fifty planes armed with missiles based in the al'Adygaga District in Uzturkestan" and "the Belgian ambassador's brower history includes Hulu, www.naughtynauticalnuns.org, and Harry Potter fanfic"?


Don't destroy the narrative we had with clearly defined evil vs the good guys, please! Assange is an evil man who is plotting to reveal troop movements to Al-Quaida - anything else and it gets less black and white and harder to rage and call for the murder of people.
 
This just in from the Bandy The Word Terrorism Until It's Meaningless Department:
Rep Peter King said:
I'm calling on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to declare Wikileaks a foreign terrorist organization.
Which would place Wikileaks in the same category as Al Qaeda.
 
So far there doesn't seem to be anything that can be a surprise to anyone.

Come to think of it - only one member of the Royal family acted in an inappropriate way? That has surprised me - only one?
 
Well for all I think he is terrible, Silvio Berlusconi apparently laughed when he was told about the cables, seems to be the right attitude.

For those that agree with the likes of the UK & French governments i.e. that these will put peoples' lives at risk can you point out which particular piece or pieces of information you base this on?
 
Was it really done without any concern for lives? Or was it actually carefully vetted with the help of news organisations to remove the names of sources or agents who could be put in danger? And were governments informed days in advance of what kind of information would be released so that they could protect any sources that slipped through?


Interesting article on the Guardian website: "The job of the media is not to protect the powerful from embarrassment"

Simon Jenkins said:
[...] Anything said or done in the name of a democracy is, prima facie, of public interest. When that democracy purports to be "world policeman" – an assumption that runs ghostlike through these cables – that interest is global. Nonetheless, the Guardian had to consider two things in abetting disclosure, irrespective of what is anyway published by WikiLeaks. It could not be party to putting the lives of individuals or sources at risk, nor reveal material that might compromise ongoing military operations or the location of special forces.

In this light, two backup checks were applied. The US government was told in advance the areas or themes covered, and "representations" were invited in return. These were considered. Details of "redactions" were then shared with the other four media recipients of the material and sent to WikiLeaks itself, to establish, albeit voluntarily, some common standard.

The state department knew of the leak several months ago and had ample time to alert staff in sensitive locations. Its pre-emptive scaremongering over the weekend stupidly contrived to hint at material not in fact being published. Nor is the material classified top secret, being at a level that more than 3 million US government employees are cleared to see, and available on the defence department's internal Siprnet. Such dissemination of "secrets" might be thought reckless, suggesting a diplomatic outreach that makes the British empire seem minuscule. [...]
 
What do you mean by this? What's a meeting?

"Many enemies of the United States have been killed, captured, or otherwise dealt with." -- Geo. W. Bush



There is a congressman calling for Wikileaks to be declared a terrorist organization.


I don't agree with that any of that -- the US needs to clean up it's ability for these huge databases to be easily accessed, as well as prosecute the hell out of people who abuse their access.


I don't know why it is even hard for them to track the perp down -- doesn't their secure database track accesses? "Oh look, so-and-so extracted 360,000 records. That's suspicious." There should be automated red flags sent to security when such things happen.


Now the same congressman is calling for treason charges against whoever did that, and I would agree with that.
 
What if the leaks show that the politicians didn't act in the best interest of the American people, but rather the reverse? Wouldn't you have liked to know? Or are elected politicians allowed to do whatever they want, as long as they're able to keep it secret? If they classify the information about it, does that mean they don't have to be held accountable? Sounds insane to me.

The problem is both sides are right. There's (apparently) covered-up information that may concern crimes. There's also (apparently) secret information that, if released, can get spies or even just people of goodwill to the US killed.


I'm also bothered by the chilling effect on messages from Department of State officials being exposed. You want the players' honest opinions unfettered by whether it will be made public or not.
 
I suspect part of the problem with government IT security is that the people in charge believe the internet is a series of tubes.
 
Come to think of it - only one member of the Royal family acted in an inappropriate way? That has surprised me - only one?

Reminds me of Lyndon LaRouche's claim that he had "found a mistake in Marx's Communist Manifesto".
 
Here's a thought.

Perhaps the reason wikileaks is allowed to get away with these leaks is that wikileaks has some really dangerous information that they hold in reserve should governments try to close them down or go after them?

Hmmmmmm ....
 
Here's a thought.

Perhaps the reason wikileaks is allowed to get away with these leaks is that wikileaks has some really dangerous information that they hold in reserve should governments try to close them down or go after them?

Hmmmmmm ....

Alternatively, outside the insane conspiracy theory world, it's because it's hosted in Sweden by the company that hosts The Pirate Bay. In other words, it's very secure and protected by Swedish law.
 
But despite similar warnings ahead of the previous two massive releases of classified U.S. intelligence reports by the website, U.S. officials concede that they have no evidence to date that the documents led to anyone's death.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/11/28/104404/officials-may-be-overstating-the.html#ixzz16h17h1CY
In other news: glad to see my donation to Wikileaks paid off again.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/11/28/104404/officials-may-be-overstating-the.html#ixzz16h17h1CY
 
Alternatively, outside the insane conspiracy theory world, it's because it's hosted in Sweden by the company that hosts The Pirate Bay. In other words, it's very secure and protected by Swedish law.

The Pirate Bay servers aren't hosted in Sweden anymore, after the company renting out the servers was raided by Swedish authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pirate_bay#Raid
 

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